Viren

I'm rooting for him partially out of spite. It seems that no matter what he does, the narrative portrays him as being In The Wrong, whether he is trying to talk Harrow out of starving his own people, or warning the other kingdoms to prepare for the worst because Xadians are sharpening their swords.
He's the kind of character who in other show would be that lonely sane man telling those idle nobles to look beyond their castle doors. But since this is a happy kiddie show he's portrayed as selfish and needlessly paranoid unlike the wise-beyond-their-years little kids.

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I'm still holding out for a reasonable explanation to why they killed Thunder and stole his egg that better not be "The King wanted to avenge his waifu even though they all perfectly knew that they weren't allowed to be in Xadia" or "Viren wanted some sweet dragon king loot to increase his dark magic stats"

But yeah, Viren taking action automatically makes him a better character than those that choose to do nothing and the ones that only care about bringing the 9 year old king that can't do shit about the situation back home instead of focusing on the upcoming race war.

I get the feeling Viren would've been better off asking for small battalion from each nation.

Or even just a mutual defense pact.

I get the feeling you would've been better off geting a real job insted of shilling this gay shit.

His big flaw is that he gets married to his own ideas and is incapable of compromise. He'd have thrown his little shitfit over anything less than total commitment from the rest of the pentarchy. If he were open to negotiation rather than demanding total obedience he wouldn't be the (current) main antagonist.

To be fair, everyone from the monarchs to the council are all weirdly underling to do anything at all. It would get incredibly frustrating

So are there actually delicious brown elves amassing on the border or is it just more entry level keikaku from Viren?

Obviously there are a few there but nothing to give the impression he's telling the truth

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Don't think the show gives an answer. But I doubt that its a plot from Viren. There are Sunfire elves engaging in border skirmishes and there are definitely Dragons menacing border towns.

Combine that with the Moonshadow assassins it sure as hell looks like a unified Xadian campaign against Katolis.

That's quite possibly not what's going on but in the context I'd have to give Viren a pass.

I think he's portrayed as overly ambitious and uncompromising. His motivations and actions make sense and he isn't even necessarily evil as far as we know. He's just acting the way that the society he was born in taught him to act.

I'm almost positive that we will find out that at some point he was just like the main character (Kalen or however you spell his name) and wanted to learn primal magic on his own only to learn that it was impossible for him to do so. He's obviously a curious guy with a lust for knowledge and power and we're probably going to learn that he's like that because that curiosity came back to bite him at some point.

He's a fucking commoner. Royals don't listen to commoners unless they're forced to

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are you that user who freaked out on the other thread?

Defense mode Rayla.

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SO wheres the r34?

on paheal, theres some

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>Same VA as Rolf from Ed, Edd, and Eddy.

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Man, that's a good voice actor.

Little late, but no.

He's a chuuni who can't grow up.

He's also shortsighted as hell

>Rayla trying to process Callum's size
>battlemode engaged

Rayla and Callum's interactions read like a slow burn enemies-to-lovers fanfiction

I love it

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They only really spent like half an episode opposing each other. They never got to be real nemeses

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>fanfiction

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Not nemesis, but their was enough ingrained mistrust, prejudice, and lies mixed in with that initial conflict that it counts as enemy to lover.

I want Rayla to get mad and for Callum to just start stroking her ear to calm her down

As another user so lovingly put it: Viren is the most 'brute forced' form of the evil vizier trope I've ever seen and it's honestly really refreshing.

He's ruthlessly pragmatic, with an element of selfish ambition, and a willingness to do morally reprehensible things in the service of what he believes is right. I don't think you're supposed to see him as one-dimensionally evil, and if this series has a big bad, I don't think it's him. He plays into the idea of the wars not being a "one side good, other side evil" conflict, but an inter-generational feud with bad things done on both sides, emphasizing the need for the heroes' mission of reconciliation.

it seems like almost all the humans don't even want to fight
no wonder they just left Xadia instead of fighting the elves

You can understand Viren better if you grew up in a country with very similar historical events. The Kingdom of Hungary (Eastern Europe) was in very similar situation for hundreds of years. One of the biggest food producers and always the gateway to the western countries for the asian and muslim conquerors. Western Kingdoms - no matter how it was for their own good as well - rarely sent help to protect the border so we had to bleed for their safety. They sent friendly words, not supplies or manpower. Small battalions mean shit (the Pope sent something like that usually) for a long term war. The other Kingdoms in TDP may counting on the same thing western countries did back then. The few times Hungary fell it took so much effort and time to crush it that the conquerors didn't have time to go further - after pillaged the whole Kingdom (back then eastern armies weren't ready for the winter).

As I see those coward didn't want to send help anyway. That is why they talked "uh if the others do it then we may do it too"

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This is canon until confirmed otherwise

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I wouldn't mind if Ez eventually had Zym tame that ass with his monstrous dragon cock.

I'm kind of with you.
He's wrong half the time, but for all this talk of not listening to others ideas, no one else actually bothers to think of any except for Harrow and his "let's starve half my kingdom" plan.

He and our protags are the only characters with any motivation and it's frustrating to watch.

>He'd have thrown his little shitfit over anything less than total commitment from the rest of the pentarchy.
We don't know that because no else bought up any alternative ideas.

Viren was right. The rulers were weak in their convictions and couldn't even make their own decisions. Most of them just said, "I'm down, if everyone else is down." Mother fucker we are talking about the potential massacre of your countrymen. There's no reason you can't come to an agreement to at least build a defense force along to border to prevent a wholesale slaughter.
Also there's literally nothing wrong with Dark magic. It's a perfectly normal part of nature. Kill to survive. If you can kill a single deer to cure a quadriplegic, then you better fucking do it for the sake of the species.

Honestly, I was kinda pissed at Rayla for being so unnecessarily harsh on Callum for using Dark Magic, even though he didn't want to, and yet did it anyway to save her skinny elven ass.

At least it stopped once she realized how serious Callum's condition was becoming, instead of treating it as well deserved karma and continuing to act like a bitch about it.

They are all distanced from the fight. They aren't on the boarder having to deal with this shit so they all really don't get the "FUCKING DRAGONS AND ELVES ARE GOING TO MURDER US."

This is defiantly true even if they confirm it otherwise.
>she survived "ass"assinations

A good plot twist would be to see the other members of the council being as power hungry as Viren, I mean what kind of politician sits still while the leader of their country gets assassinated?

Thats sucks, this is a kid show so I doubt they are going the GoT route, but it would be refreshing to see that the other kingdoms are more morally gray that simply "not wanting to fight"

Do they even know that dragons and elves are coming to murder them?

He wasn't portrayed in a negative light at all when saying they shouldn't help the other kingdom, he was just portrayed as at odds with Harrow, which is consistent with the show where he and Harrow drifted further and further apart. Really, morally, there was no compelling reason for Harrow to "share in the suffering" of the other kingdom. People were going to die regardless, and the show directly told you the characters understood this.

He's the bad guy because he has completely tumbled down the "ends justify the means" slippery slope and betrayed his longest, closest friend and then ordered the deaths of his children, among other largely indefensible acts. In other words, he's the anthropomorphization of the show's concept of dark magic. Sad that I had to remind you of one of the show's major themes, but here we are.

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I really hope that Viren takes power and starts a war not just against the elves, but the other kingdoms as well.

I hope not. Humans have already gotten shat on enough within the shows story, don't have Viren wage war on them too.

>feminist
>utopia
lol.

If it does happen I'm sure it will be 100% because of dark elf mind fucking.

It could have been just a product of Callum's fever-dream, but I think that the Key of Aaravos really does have a "seventh side," meaning that the dark elf would be intimately familiar with dark magic. So he probably recognizes that humanity in general is his best shot for gaining acceptance for being willing to use it. In other words, tricking Viren into declaring war on other humans would be counter to his desire for freedom.

I dunno, I think it was trying to make him seem right about the sharing food choice but wrong about the mobilizing for war one. The former ultimately led to the current day clusterfuck while the latter threatened to lead to an even bigger clusterfuck.

he's right when he's trying to talk down someone from a stupid desicion, but is prone to his own stupid decisons when he has no one doing that for him.

Isn't that how WWI started?

No, ww1 started because germany wanted it´s big empire and both the UK and France were against it.