So Killer Moth is a popular character on this board and Orca has been getting a lot of attention lately. What other really underrated villains could we turn the spotlight to?
Underrated / Forgotten Villains
Gabriel King
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Jose Gomez
She was an interesting character and I wish they had done more with her.
Nathan Edwards
>Boner
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Brayden Johnson
Same. I think Baby Doll was a criminally underrated character, I'd love to see more done with her. She's made a couple of cameos in the comics so I guess she's technically canon.
Nicholas Davis
Doctor Sivana. You know how people love to jerk off Luthor for being a mortal man able to go against a godlike alien? Well Sivana does the exact same shit, only against a magical being fueled by some of the greatest magical beings to ever exist. A man of science who makes and breaks the laws of reality on a daily basis.
Thomas Cooper
It's weird that while she's ok in the cartoon, she would be too "creepy" for the comics.
Jaxon Bennett
Dr. Sivana is awesome. I also like his mad scientist children/nephews. Didn't they revamp Sivana into a magic based character or something?
Lincoln Powell
It's hard to tell how intelligent modern Sivana is given how little we've seen of him in action. In Curse of Shazam, Doctor Sivana unearthed Black Adam's prison, and was "touched" by magic. What this did to him was give him magical sight/understanding, yet aged him horribly. He's currently working with Mister Mind, gathering ingredients for a spell of some sort.
In short he hasn't been mad super scientist, but more archaeologist touched by magic thus far. But he does mention he's a doctor in practically every field so who knows?
Benjamin Taylor
At least BATB gave him his due.
Cameron Howard
She wouldn't be that bad if the comics were still stylized, but that's become taboo.
Carson Hernandez
Huh okay, I think I like Sivava just as a mad scientist type. But if he were to be more involved with magic (which only makes sense seeing as he's an enemy of Shazam). I think it would be cool if he was so smart that he could break down magic as just another form of science and use both "magic science" and traditional science in his crimes.
Jeremiah Barnes
I've always been fond of the Bloodlines parasites.
Their main superpower was to create forgettable heroes/villains.
Lucas Gomez
I like the first version of her (i.e first episode), where she is clearly wrestling with the fact she's an adult. And her "babysitter" (actually her bodyguard) should have been her constant companion.
Logan Nelson
I think the closest Sivana got to using magic was when he made a voodoo doll of Captain Marvel.
However, I don't believe Sivana needs to learn magic, since his super science often equals or surpasses magical forces.
Jose Hall
The Cavalier is the epitome of underrated. A dashing thief and thrill seeker who considers committing crime an art form and directly competes with Batman, he even tells Batman that he hopes to "become an even greater nuisance to him then The Penguin and Joker!"
Alas this wasn't meant to be of course, he was met with a similar fate to Killer Moth, introduced and "Batman's newest and greatest nemesis!" but faded into obscurity. I feel like he's been treated a bit better then Moth as he got his own miniseries that reimagined him as superhero who got corrupted by his fame and started to stage crimes that he would then prevent.
Samuel Edwards
has Killer Moth ever had his normal design but with the colors of his Teen Titans design
Easton Morgan
yeah i like these guys too for some reason
Sebastian Ward
Hey, Tommy was a cool guy!
But I really don't know any other bloodline parasite heroes, care to share a few?
Juan Morris
The Beware The Batman version of Magpie is such a legitimately good character that I want her to become the standard in the DCU.
Dominic Wilson
It is interesting how Finger seemed to try and push Cavalier as the next big villain. He might have been an attempt to create a more compelling Mr. Baffle (a similar gentleman thief character who appeared in Tec #63 and was set up to return but never did).
After Joker (47 stories), Penguin (24), Catwoman (12) & Two-Face (5) (counting the impostor story and newspaper strip), Cavalier was one of Batman's most frequent villains, making four full appearences and a few cameos, constantly counfounding Batman and evading capture. He seemed like a perfect fit for the 66 show, too.
>he got his own miniseries that reimagined him as superhero who got corrupted by his fame and started to stage crimes that he would then prevent
I can't find information on this anywhere but it seems like a great idea.
Old-school fun villains like Cavalier are something I really miss in comics, and it's weird that nobody has thought to explore with him the idea of Batman facing a villain who is a Zorro pastiche.
I'd like to see him form a gentleman thief's club with Mr. Baffle, Gentleman Ghost, Penguin and Egghead.
Or be the passionate leader of a group of less famous Batman villains.
Colton Bailey
They do use the Beware design, but it's still the OG Magpie, which is a shame.
Adam Phillips
To be honest I really wouldn't call a lot of these characters underrated. They are appropriately rated. Underappreciated or underutilized might be the better term.
Connor Phillips
Who would be the most underrated Batman villain in your opinion?
Michael Martinez
I just like the idea of someone with a pencil head
Noah Baker
Killer Moth
Lucas Thomas
A tie between Ratcatcher and The Spook for me.
Jonathan Torres
My nigga. The Eraser is based. He was unironically my favorite DC villain at one point, I was just super into him when I first saw him in an episode of Brave and The Bold.
Leo Butler
Major Disaster and his cute autistic daughter, Minor Disaster.
Carson Collins
Andrew Jenkins
Henry Wood
This guy right here.
Hudson Sanchez
Okay I'll bite, what's this guy's story?
Anthony Gonzalez
I've always viewed the Cavalier as the Dan Hibiki of Batman villains. Yes, he has some skill, but his eccentricities outweigh his aptitude (like taking the time to help and old lady across the street).
I really would've loved to see the Cavalier in No-Man's Land, forming his own band of musketeers to bring civility to ruined Gotham. It would've been far better than Bats teaming up with Lock-Up.
Nicholas King
I think that one of the things that holds Cavalier back is his costume. It's surprisingly historically accurate for comics, but the time period it is from doesn't hold much cultural cachet. Personally I'd streamline the costume a bit, tighter trousers and riding-style boots, basket-hilt sword instead of a rapier, maybe a brace of modern single-shot pistols, swap the hat out for a wide-brimmed traveler's hat ala Solomon Kane, maybe a breast plate. And do something about the color scheme.
Alexander Diaz
The Eraser has a gimmick that's just begging to be explored, especially in this age of digital information. He could literally erase people.
Isaiah Wright
I love this ship
Aiden Morales
There's not much to share. Most of them were doomed the moment they arrived.
I think the only really interesting ones were Anima, Gunfire, and Terrorsmith.
Sebastian Martin
I once imagined what a modern Eraser would be like and I figured he'd be a cleaner. Crime lords and mobsters hire him to clean up the evidence of a hit. He's the best cleaner in all of Gotham because of his knack for hiding evidence, he can clean up a whole genocide and the place where it took place will look like nothing ever happened. The design I have in mind for him still has the yellow pinstripe suit since that shit is killer but instead of the mask he has pink dyed hair, like an eraser top.
Tyler Morris
Mad scientist echidna made best in the Ian Flynn run of the Archie Sonic comics. He was actually a fairly major player but they lost the rights to used the character at some point, so it's not so much that he was underrated/forgotten as it was that they just legally couldn't use him anymore.
Lucas Powell
Do you have the one where he says some mathematical equation that makes able to walk through the prison wall?
Connor Wilson
He also needs a pair of coke bottle sunglasses.
Gabriel Garcia
Parker Fisher
8-Ball.
Chase Diaz
That's some Miraculous Ladybug shit right there.
I love him.
Landon Ramirez
had a pretty good ep with killer croc
Julian Jackson
Eye-head Orb is a favourite. Poor freak.
Brody Campbell
Beat me to it.
God, that was a good thread.
Jeremiah Phillips
Her design with regular clothing and using her regular voice was so much better; even setting aside the whole "stuck in the body of a 3 year old" thing, why the fuck would she think Croc would go for someone who acts like a little kid all the time, down to a falsetto?
Carter Butler
Does anyone remember this AIM clone of captain America from the late 90s early 00s. He had a red uniform and captain americas original shield. I remember the facility blows up and they think he’s dead but you see a guy hitchhiking and get a glimpse of the shield point. I wonder whatever happened to him
Alexander Gomez
>That one issue where he killed a literal boat-load of Russian Mafia members
If you guys want to talk about the underused villians deserving o recognition, look no further than the Spot.
Angel Lopez
There was a fight where he tosses cap in a nuclear reactor and cap curls in a ball on his shield and it floats on the nuclear blasts or whatever until someone rescues him
David Collins
>Mistreated Child-Star
>Abused because of not being able-bodied
DC has so many reasons they should cash in on her right now. what the fuck is wrong with them.
Ryan James
Fuck yes. Can't believe he's treated as a joke villain most of the time, his powers have terrifying potential and his design can be intimidating when his face is just a blank void like in some designs.
He looks like something from Jon Jon's Surreal Escapade.
Hudson Sanchez
Protocide, and he wasn't a clone of Cap; he was another Project Rebirth candidate.
Until his revamp in Daredevil it was entirely a matter of his personality.
Nathaniel Stewart
Fuck yeah I forgot his name, i was 10 lol. For a while I wondered if it was a fever dream since I never saw any references to him ever again
David Morgan
>what if we put her in a book no one is gonna read?
>yeah! yeah! And we won't even fucking mentioned it at all so people won't know it exist till someone tell them!
What I'm saying is that she AND magpie shows up in this new novel by paul dino from DC.
Adam Morgan
Brayden Turner
It was indeed! Here is a pic from the Yea Forums drawthreads!
Eli Bailey
Fuck YES Doctor Domino. Best Wonder Woman villain.
I thank Mr. Rogues every day for introducing me to that weird fuck.
Jordan Howard
Fucker just want to time travel and score some cash and chicks but keeps getting involved in insane and bizarre shit.
Shout out to all Justice Society bad guys.
Brody Clark
He's so mysterious~
I'm so fucking hard for a scheming bond villain type with a fucking domino tile for a head.
Juan Scott
insert all of wonder woman's rogues except for cheetah, ares and circe on a good day.
Alexander Clark
>desperately wants to impress her dad
>is a general failure
>just like her dad
Penny is CUTE! C U T E !
Ryder Rodriguez
At this point you could probably swap Cheetah and Giganta. Circe herself just barely counts.
Ian Adams
I only know Tommy and Argus but only because he showed up in Flash
Ian Gutierrez
Argieland can't post pictures but i always liked the fire father of the 5 rich twats from KND
Jace Harris
He's great cause you can portray one of two ways.
Either he's a working-class criminal that builds a badass suit that allows him to go toe-to-toe with a goddamn Martian in a similar vein to Flash's Rogues, or he's like a Venture Bros character whose obsession with J'onn is constantly played for laughs despite the threat he poses.
Brody Hill
I like Atomic Skull, but he's always a one page/panel villain.
John Powell
He's a guy who decided that regular flamethrowers weren't difficult enough to use so he built himself a fuel tank suit that shoots flames from his nipples. He's a threat to J'onn much the same way a guy with a gun is a threat to Batman. If anything he should be emblematic of the kind of losers who haunt the periphery of supervillainy; the two-bit criminals who think putting on a costume is a surefire way to money, women, and respect so they latch onto the first half-assed gimmick they can think of and try to play king of the mountain in-between prison stints. Human Flame is so unimportant J'onn could actually use his telepathy on him. Three words into his dramatic intro and he's a drooling simp facedown on the concrete, and he should be thanking his lucky stars because it's a teamup issue and if Hawkman got to him first it would have been two broken arms and a shattered collarbone.
Jonathan Young
Atomic Skull has never really had a setup that works for him being a major villain. The post-Crisis version is just a guy with brain damage.
Jace Sanders
Calculator is enough
Adam Gray
I'd call myself the Cyclist and my gimmick would be high speed larceny.
Wyatt Lee
General Immortus
Christopher Rogers
Part of me thought she’d have a Arkham cameo or even a secret encounter like Mad Hatter
Jaxson Gomez
>Sparx
Bring back big haired comic characters
Owen Sullivan
Not even on Lego Batman.
Easton Gutierrez
I hope she makes more appearances in the Aquaman comics
David Carter
Similar fate as this dude
Mason Clark
Xavier Williams
Okay, so they just made Rubberhead an actual villain.
Hunter Russell
He was in the middle of a major comic event a few years back. He ain't forgotten.
Kevin Perry
Attuma, the shark rising deep ocean Conan the Barbarian
Brody Bell
>It's a Scott Snyder reinvents a classic character story
Dropped.
Ryder Sanders
riding*
Sebastian Reyes
Pretty sure the Cavalier had an arc in the Legends of the Dark Knight where that fake hero thing happened, and not his very own mini, because he's too much of a Z-lister for his own mini. Could be wrong though.
Josiah Walker
I like him as a bad guy who's trying to reform through working with the cops, but he's a bit mental so it's a tough road for him.
Adrian Morris
John Thomas
What about the Brotherhood of Nada? I had my own idea for a member, they all called Woke and if you agree with some aspect of their rhetoric you suffer a fatal stroke and go broke.
Joshua Collins
8-Ball is begging for an arc where he becomes mystically imbued with a supernatural curse that allows him to absolutely determine the truth of a questioned outcome, but he hasn't got the ability to control the absolute fate he determines and using the ability causes his body to go into spasming epilepsy-like seizures.
Carter Thomas
Angle Man
Lincoln Williams
That's actually the second Cavalier.
Aaron Young
Stargirl's new series is coming up and Shiv is making a comeback. Get on the hot ethnically ambiguous cheerleader while you can.
>Bonnie Rockwaller but she's a supervillain.
Asher Martinez
The Virgin Doctor Finitevus vs The Chad Doctor Zachary.
Owen Garcia
MISS ARMY KNIFE
Jordan Davis
The real mystery is not how she got to be a cyborg but if she's actually swiss.
Aaron Sanchez
I really wanted to know what he was up to in FATE.
Henry Myers
Damn, that's a cool chick.
Christopher Young
yeah we get you are pedo and want adult Loli. No go back to Yea Forums
Samuel Sanders
>who does Metron think he is?
>I'll show that fuckboy how to sit on a throne and ponder
Xavier Cruz
Can she be the new flavor of the month?
Henry Kelly
>his revamp in Daredevil
He was revamped in ASM actually. Pic related is from the comic where Spot returns as serious business
Benjamin Hughes
>returns
Spot was orignally not a threat despite his great powers.
Evan Young
mr mind
it was nice seeing him in justice league action
Gabriel Johnson
Sometimes I wish Ra's al Ghul never existed and this guy became the immortal criminal with mountain castles and bodyguard babes of Batman's rogues gallery.
So much has been made over the years of Batman's thematic connection to vampires, and yet no one has jumped at the chance to exploit a foe who is basically Dracula as a crime boss. It's not like Batman isn't overflowing with unrealistic sci-fi/horror bullshit anyway, and even then The Monk was the first of Batman's villains to have a supernatural background.
Eeh I'd say he's rated just about right. Warren is not a great character at all. Even if you like Living Hell, they've done squat with him afterwards besides make him a Black Mask clone and that stupid twist from Face the Face.
I want to like this guy more and I think there could be some great ways to develop him, but so far he's got nothing.
Cameron Anderson
Gabriel Wright
The Top deserves a shot for greatness.
Daniel Wright
I miss this design.
Andrew Foster
10/10 taste
Nathan Harris
That's Gargan wearing the symbiote, right?
Bentley Walker
bump
Landon Bennett
Pharaoh was actually more proactive than Metron, if only by a smidgen.
Landon Sanders
Oswald just gets no respect
John Gutierrez
Kite Man.
Hell yeah.
Jacob Thompson
I'd say Penguin has had enough exposure and reinterpretations and fixture in the public eye to not really qualify as underrated, but he really is tremendously underappreciated.
He's a fantastic villain with a great presence in Batman's history as a character, has more than enough great storylines to justify his status, and yet he always gets constant disrespect from writers and fans alike, written off as an obsolote joke that only exists to be punched by Batman for information, and nowadays he seems only appreciated if he's either extremely violent and gritty or if he's the prettyboy Gotham version
It's really frustrating.
Riddler kind of has the same problem.
Sebastian Edwards
I bet that people here are probably sick of her, but when will the next Orca thread be?
Eli Sanchez
Was this the best Killer Moth design? (or better than the original atleast)
Parker Gonzalez
I’d say so!
Brody Ward
I had a similar idea for the Eraser. He could be hired to clean up evidence and throw superheroes off the trail
Calculator serves a different purpose tho
Jeremiah Hughes
Utter trash taste. Fuck your moth mutant bullshit. He's the original anti-Batman
Asher Gray
Go home gramps you're drunk
Kevin Hill
Fuck you Titanfag. You lot are a bunch of demanding, whiny, entitled shits still harping on a frankly overrated show
Benjamin Turner
I love this design so much I wish I could buy it off DC and make him the mascot of my photography company.
Lucas Cook
The Spot has a really cool power and I'm suprised he isn't used more also his design is pretty based
Kayden Reyes
Nah dude, the tragedy of her character is that she will never get to experience romance the way other people do. She is inherently unable to express her sexuality and trying to pair her with pedo shit is not only gross but completely undercuts the pathos of her existence.
Camden Peterson
I only saw the first two seasons of Gotham but Penguin didn't strike me as a prettyboy in them. He's a crippled, jealous, insecure weirdo to the point that making him gay actually felt like it fit his character
Owen Long
I feel like Sivana could fill the niche that Luthor did in the Silver Age, back when he was full mad scientist, rather than a mix of a mad scientist and a shrewd business tycoon.
Sivana could do the things that Luthor's image wouldn't let him. And instead of constantly having to convince himself he's the "real hero" with all these justifications like Luthor, he just knows he's a rotten bastard.
Aaron Garcia
>Penguin didn't strike me as a prettyboy in them
He's Tim Burton pretty, but he's pretty nonetheless. His Tumblr fandom shows at least.
>He's a crippled, jealous, insecure weirdo to the point that making him gay actually felt like it fit his character
This is why I don't complain about his portrayal in the show. I didn't like Gotham back then, still don't, and the only reason I stuck watching for the first three seasons was because of Oswald. It felt like he was the only truly well-written, well-acted character, and Robin's passion for the role shows.
My issue is really with how people immediately declared it the greatest version of the character ever based on the first episode and how they praise this version for traits that have been in comics for decades, and make it very clear that they had zero interest in Penguin until he was made attractive and put in the spotlight when part of the whole point of Penguin is that he's ugly and comical looking and has to make do with it.
Ethan Bailey
Despotellis, one of the deadliest Sinestro Corps members ever.
Leo James
I think writers are scared of the Penguin. If he was written to his strengths, he'd immediately upend the lazy tripe that passes for Batman stories nowadays. I mean, his main attribute is the ability to OUT THINK BATMAN.
>Riddler kind of has the same problem.
The Riddler is a holdover from Bill Finger's "spree criminal" stories. This isn't a bad thing since the Riddler works best when he's demanding everyone's attention. The problem arises when writers try to add more to that, like making him a metrosexual or having him start a gang war. That last one is especially ridiculous, since he was viewed as a crank by the criminal underworld for much of his career. Again, not a bad thing.
Bentley Torres
Sivana is completely cool with eradicating all of humanity to achieve his goal.
Luthor can delude himself all he wants, but Sivana knows the truth about this universal conquest game: all that matters is winning.
Isaiah Lopez
He's the main villain in the new Shazam movie
Joshua Gray
That's Sivana in name only.
Isaiah James
Based and redpilled user. I agree.
Kevin Turner
>Adam Beach learned rope tricks for this
Jace Flores
>Harley Meme cover
You can hardly blame the audience for not giving a fuck about it
Gabriel Adams
>If he was written to his strengths, he'd immediately upend the lazy tripe that passes for Batman stories nowadays. I mean, his main attribute is the ability to OUT THINK BATMAN.
This is part of why I'm not the biggest fan of him being a crime boss for the past 25+ years. Sure, it's a logical way for him to sustain relevance and power, and it allows him to occupy a unique corner of the Batmythos. And The Iceberg Lounge is a cool idea. Back in No Man's Land, we got a lot of great moments out of this Penguin.
But for a while now it just feels like an excuse to shelve the character and remove his flair at the expense of realism and grit. To make him just Rupert Thorne in a top hat who Batman beats up for information every now and then, and who's grown lazy and complacent.
>I think writers are scared of the Penguin
I think they are just lazy.
And it's all the more frustrating because it's not like he doesn't have good stories to pull from. It's like all they can do with him is either rehash beats from Returns or go back to that Joker's Asylum one-shot.
Penguin Triumphant exists. The Alan Grant stories exist. The original Bill Finger stories exist. The good No Man's Land stories. The 66 show made the character a true sensation for a reason. And so on.
>The problem arises when writers try to add more to that, like making him a metrosexual or having him start a gang war.
I think Penguin and Riddler are kind of on the same boat because they were both set up around the 70s as "sacrificial lambs" to try and strip Batman of the Adam West camp, which the two of them, being the breakout stars of the show, sort of embodied.
Benjamin Bennett
This. Bring back that unicellular green lantern so they can fight and shit. If readers need a reminder on what makes despotellis so deadly it could always infect and kill that stupid volcano face lantern. Lava diarrhea burning lanterns and Oa to ground.
Jackson Murphy
I’m not a big fan of Teen Titans. I just enjoy some of the designs.
Lincoln Thomas
I can't believe I've never heard of this character.
Where can I read more of her and her dad?
Easton Perez
Seriously this is THE shit.Can anyone even match Sivana wall hacking bullshit?
Alexander Allen
Well you can read more of her dad in the excellent Joe Kelly JLA run and sadly you can only read Minor Disaster in Sam Humphries's mediocre Harley quinn, where none of Joe Jelly's characterization for Major disaster is apparent.
Isaac Myers
>NO WAY, FAG
Isaiah Wilson
Isnt he a good guy now?
Benjamin James
Not looking like a joke, kind of goes a long way. Gotham Penguin doesn't look like a joke and acts like one would expect the character to. Even him being gay isn't so much of a problem because later on you see its just that Penguin seeks affection.
Brody Davis
Despy died fighting the new gods iirc
Xavier Richardson
>Trapped in Pocket Dimension
>Goes insane from Isolation
>Can pass through walls chasing down people that he wants to kill
Juan Myers
Fuck, the thread died lmao
Daniel Robinson
>Not looking like a joke, kind of goes a long way.
Yeah, I guess in the end that's kind of the bottom line. Even though one of the (if not the) key defining aspects of the character is that he looks silly and ugly and not only fights against it but uses it to his advantage, I guess people are just always going to flock to more attractive characters. It's why Scarecrow got a ton of fangirls after Cilian Murphy, and it's the same here.
>Even him being gay isn't so much of a problem because later on you see its just that Penguin seeks affection.
I don't think anyone who actually cared about Penguin had a problem with him being gay or bi, because it doesn't really affect his emotional issues and traumas or character, and it's not like he has some defined love interest for this to contradict. Oswald is desperate for affection above anything, and it's not even about sex. He wants genuine love or friendship and he can never have it because he's too hateful and treacherous to expect other people to not be (and half the time he's right).
If anything he and Riddler have been pals since before Gotham.
Lucas Peterson
Bump.
Lucas Taylor
Was just in the Avengers Black Panther cartoon.
Bentley Sanders
Jesus christ. Is this pre-code?
Joseph Lopez
That was such a fucking tease. Even going in knowing he'd die it was a waste of a genuinely great redesign.
O'Neil simply didn't like or understand the Riddler, his appearance in The Question for example; Riddler is probably the least camp and most legitimately dangerous of the '66 villain portrayals.
I think that part of the problem isn't that he looks ugly or silly but that even in the realistic style of older comics Penguin usually looked cartoonish. Just look at your pic, that Penguin is maybe 4.5 heads tall. Mad Hatter has the same problem in that a lot of artists draw what is essentially hydrocephalic, buck-toothed midget, which is in no way threatening or appealing. I think the ideal Penguin from a classic design perspective would be shorter than average and fairly well-muscled but fat, like the kind of guy who kills it at the gym four days a week but ruins it by a constant caloric surplus.
Ryder Watson
Everyone who isn't a fucking Batman villain.
Jaxon Wilson
Bullseye the Clown
Noah Anderson
He and the Delgado Master are my favorite time travelling supervillains.
Anthony James
Most Green Arrow villains should make a returrn.
Adam Myers
Based Mr. Camera poster.
Logan Taylor
Mr. Mind is the shit. If the Shazam movie does well enough to get a sequel he should definitely be the main villain.
Angel Fisher
Parker Campbell
Dude looks like he's throwing balls for former dog fight dogs.
Luis Harris
Major disaster is a silver age GL villain, and his daughter is from recent Harley Quinn series
Isaac Hernandez
Does Count Nefaria count? Dude used to be a huge threat to the Avengers and now he just shows up in random villain spreads and jobs nonstop.
James Gutierrez
Definetively underrated/forgotten in that writers and artists only trot him out for a bit of flash, and then have him loose instantly.
Or hell, he's one of Spidey's earliest villains and gets killed by a former gf/mask chaser so she could get his powers. And then he appears in some Daredevil? arc a year later in his classic costume as if nothing happened. Maddening.
Last time I saw him was Superior Octopus, after Otto threatened to kill his family members if he didn't fuck out of SF.
Carter Nelson
At least he's still treated as a threat and isn't constantly shit on like Shocker is. Shocker is easily Marvel's Killer Moth.
Jayden Collins
That's painfully true as well, but whatever happens, Shocker has the Superior Foes to his name.
Bentley Evans
Are they doing anything with Onomatopoeia?
That guy is fucking radical, he's basically a slasher villain that targets vigilantes. He should be Arrow's main bad guy, or at least number two, behind Clock King.
Liam Hill
Yeah, Golden Age Sivana is a whole different guy than Movie/New 52 Sivana.
Sebastian Evans
Yes user that is why they said he was revamped
Evan Turner
The problem is that he's a slasher villain for vigilantes. By the nature of comic books he cannot carry out his archetype.
Evan Flores
O'Neil's Riddler was from a time when across the board Eddie was written as super neurotic and wimpy due to his mental instability.
Ryder Garcia
Electro appearing in DD despite being dead was actually a dream Matt had while dying in the ER. It was a clue.
Xavier Powell
>>what if we put her in a book no one is gonna read?
She's barely in it and doesn't do anything. It's not a good book.
t. actually read it
Jose Ross
Beggars can't be choosers.
Oliver Phillips
O'Neil didn't like The Penguin either, based on his own comments.
>even in the realistic style of older comics Penguin usually looked cartoonish
I mean, I wouldn't describe the older Batman comics as realistic in any way, but I understand your point.
Personally I think that's what makes the original Jack Burnley design so good, because he looks nothing like the other characters and looks genuinely harmless, which of course makes his ingeniously devilish schemes have a bigger impact. Golden Age Penguin could be remarkably brutal, throwing acid at a goon's face in his first appearence and later doing stuff like secretly poisoning Batman via bird flu, and the design made the contrast work even better. Now obviously that design had to be changed, but the point is, Penguin has to look fundamentally different from the other characters around him, and him being scary defeats the point.
No matter how many people try to insist otherwise, Batman is, at it's core, a fundamentally absurd character, and Penguin acts as a reminder of that. That's something to be embraced, in my view.
Personally my ideal Penguin design is somewhere between Burgess Meredith and Danny DeVito but with the voice and mannerisms of Paul Williams
Christopher Cruz
>secretly poisoning Batman via bird flu
Despite that being deadly, it is silly as fuck.
Leo Clark
I fucking love Bullseye. Golden Age GL villains were bland as fuck, but Bullseye outshined the mediocrity.
Considering how much BATB poked fun at GL for being a Batman clone, it's a fucking crime he didn't make an appearance.
Levi Scott
I prefer the original.
In my ideal canon, he'd be Black Manta's father, a nod to him being Aquaman's original archenemy and a nod to Long John Silver.
Jeremiah Williams
True. But the way he goes about it is quite brilliant.
He sends Batman a bunch of letters and stages a bunch of heists and crimes to draw Batman's attention and to escape him, ultimately culminating in a public confrontation where he is even able to get the upperhand on Batman initially, and all of this was to mask the fact that those letters were laced with bird flu and were gradually poisoning Batman each time he opened them, weakening him every time they met.
I think it's a great example of how you can make Penguin a competent, cunning and ruthless villain, and that writers don't have to retread Joker's Asylum and make Penguin a pointlessly cruel monster who destroys the lives of nobodies for no reason. I think this is part of why recent writers and fans seem to hate Oswald and deem him an irredeemably nasty, one-note bastard.
Matthew Campbell
The thing is, why does it need to be bird flu? Stuff like that is why Penguin won't be taken seriously. He already looks goofy and despite that plan being brilliant, it being bird flu just makes me think "oh that wacky bird theme guy" instead of "damn, that was planned brilliantly, I wouldn't want to run into Penguin".
Benjamin Cruz
>why does it need to be bird flu?
Why not bird flu? Birds are his thing and it speaks more to his character weaponizing a bird-related disease as poison than just using a generic poison. Identity is everything in a superhero comic.
Why does Batman apply a Bat prefix to his gadgets when it makes no difference on how they work? We all know why.
>despite that plan being brilliant, it being bird flu just makes me think "oh that wacky bird theme guy"
I mean that seems more like an issue you take with the premise than the actual story.
>Stuff like that is why Penguin won't be taken seriously.
Look, I get that a lot of Batman fans take issue with conciliating the gritty and serious and dramatic aspects of the franchise with the silly and ridiculous ones. I get that Penguin's existence kind of fundamentally undermines the Dark Knight/Bat-God experience for some people who think a fat man in a top hat as a villain is just too much of a stretch.
But personally I'm just really sick of the character being constantly dismissed at face value and being written as if there was something fundamentally bad about his existence that needs to be fixed, and time and time again this has only led to terrible stories and people only hating the character more.
It's tiresome as hell.
Chase Miller
>Old-school fun villains like Cavalier are something I really miss in comics
This is why I really enjoyed the Rick Remender Punisher run when they brought back a bunch of sillier villains like Turner D Century and the Human Fly.
Turner D Century is based as fuck
Josiah Miller
Bloodlines was even worse than Marvels 1993 Annuals trying to push characters like the Battling Bantam and Annex.
Caleb Cooper
There can never be enough hot villainesses in black form fitting leather
Grayson Harris
There is something endearing about a quasi-Luddite who is trying to overthrow society with a flying bicycle and flamethrower.
Joshua Collins
Mr. Mind will do it. He doesn't give a fuck.
Cameron Morris
I was very happy with how Hugo Strange was handled in the recent Deathstroke arc and I'm glad he's been seeing more use lately
Adam Walker
I personally would have liked to see more horror fron Doctor Destiny
Gavin Moore
I don't even recall Destiny having any actual role in the story besides helping Hugo mind-control the other inmates off screen (if I recall). Sadly, the thing about these big Batman villain gathering stories is that they often just reduce the character to puncheable mooks and only a few get to shine (and luckily, two of my favorite DC villains got the spotlight this time).
I'm not a fan of Hugo having to rely on someone else's powers to fuck with people's heads (like Mad Hatter in Arkham City) given his skills in manipulation, hypnotism and brain chemistry should be enough, but the idea of Hugo Strange teaming up with Dr.Destiny is a really, really awesome idea that I would like to see explored in length.
Hunter Wright
I want to see Killer Croc destroy her asshole.
Kevin Ross
Not so much lost the rights as it was not wanting to deal with Penders over the rights anymore.
Brayden Sanders
They flat out lost the contracts with Penders, giving them zero defense against his claims.
Eli Sanders
>And her "babysitter" (actually her bodyguard) should have been her constant companion.
Miriam was Yea Forums's FOTM a while ago, I can't complain since seeing her as a kid was responsible for many of my fetishes..
Logan Hernandez
>new
She WAS the old FOTM for, well, a month back in the day. Before the dark times.
Alexander Torres
I dig that his head is basically a Kamen Rider helmet
Landon Howard
I always thought rocket roxy was underrated
Brayden Sanders
>her climax scene in BTAS
Timm you dirty dog, you knew exactly what you were doing.
Jayden Miller
Miriam isn't the only FOTM to have gone twice.
Swap her to Hawkman or Green Arrow.
Kayden Butler
And I always thought she was just a blatantly lazy attempt by Dini & Timm to make the next Harley Quinn. And it worked, considering Roxy is very popular in fandom.
Except Harley at least back then had emotional baggage and backstory to justify further exploration, where as Roxy was exactly what she looked like: a perky bimbo with a fun personality and cool costume with nothing else going for her as a character besides dumb fanservice.
Gavin Diaz
Personally I want a Psycho mind team up with Doctor Destiny, Hugo, Psycho Pirate and Dr. Psycho. All three doctors bond over that the other one doesn't have a doctor title.
Caleb Torres
I'm not a fan of Hugo being in villain team-ups but this is a fucking awesome idea. It even makes up counterparts for the Trinity
>Doctor Destiny vs Superman
>Hugo Strange vs Batman
>Dr Psycho vs Wonder Woman
And Psycho Pirate as the wild card.
They would be damn near unstoppable until they inevitably try to backstab each other.
John Edwards
I honestly want more stories of NightwingXOrca. That shit was comfy.
Jonathan Green
Bump.
Nathaniel Cooper
> Killer Moth is villain Kamen Rider
Justin Thomas
Kind of a shame that Doctor Destiny has been relegated to being grouped in with other villains, motherfucker's better then that.
Doctor Destiny is/was powerful enough to take on the entire Justice League, he's like Freddy Krueger on steroids. He's probably the most underrated villain in this thread.
Sebastian Rivera
I like the original version of Black Mask, as created by Doug Moench. He was a fun character and, while not great, nevertheless had a lot of potential.
Shame they had to completely destroy that potential and make him a generic torturing gangster in Brubaker's Catwoman
Tyler Flores
He is in post-Rebirth continuity limbo, where he is simultaneously a good guy helping the Super Family, a penitentiary officer, a police officer, and one of the villains kept in Damian Wayne's secret prison.
Easton White
Should have kept Warren as that friendly, if overconfident, dealmaker and shady broker/fence, rather than a true crime boss. Could also expand on his apparent ghostpunching ability.
Levi Jackson
>prettyboy
Luis Green
Yes, but he shouldn't start as a mutant immediately. Have him as anti-Batman, before enough setbacks push him towards going for the metahuman solution. He doesn't count on having his own dormant metagene and turns into full mothman.
Liam Gonzalez
Freddy is limited to the dreamworld. John can bring nightmares and our dreams into reality. He really needs to get a arc in whixh he threatens to undo the world again, the guy could literally de imagine earth if he is max powered.
Personalitywise I would go with Sandman, a crazed broken husk of man that still has more evil in his one finger than most villains can hope to have.
Jayden Morales
>Forgotten Villains Thread
>Electro
Chase Cox
This intrigues me desu. A zorro-like villian could actually be real interesting. I'm all for the fun and campy, but I tend more toward the Brian Azzarello/realism side, and you could def ground the character in a cool and interesting way.
Zorro was in fact based on Joaquin Murrieta Carrillo, who gets a mention in the Mask of Zorro film with Banderas, and it would be cool to bring a character like that up to date in contemporary Gotham. Not quite a "Cavalier" in the classic English sense, but still an interesting if done well.
Aiden White
>Century had no inherent superpowers. He owned and used an umbrella that concealed a flamethrower, and rode a tandem bicycle (the rear seat was taken by a dummy wearing fashionable women's clothes of the pre-World War I era) that could fly by unknown means.
BASED
Adrian White
It's just that the classic silly penguin look wasn't used in conjunction with drama. Even in BTAS the drama around Penguin's character disappeared as he went from Burton-inspired monsterous look into the more well-adjusted in the society silly look. Gotham Penguin is not particularly handsome, but, like DeVito, Robin Lord Taylor brought some dramatic gravitas to the character, DESPITE looking weird and literally lame. Silly Design Penguin just wasn't used in adaptations as a character of that gravitas yet: TNBA has him in the half-legit/mob character status, The Batman in the skillful but unlucky rogue routine, JLAction with a relatively small role. "Ugly, but trying to overcome it" part of Penguin's character stuck to Monster Penguin and derivatives.
Lincoln Mitchell
Last time appeared in Teen Titans when Damian recruited Emiko, I think.
Luke Butler
He wasn't really part of some team-up. Just shown heavily heavily sedated while staying in Arkham. The page spread is just one of hallucinations Strange induced upon Slade.
James Hughes
Get off the internet, Kevin Smith.
Easton Morales
Black Mask actually influenced Joker's portrayal in Batman 1989. Turning his girlfriend into that skinless thing was taken directly from Black Mask, as well as being a crime family member who took over after going through the "freak" stage.
Michael Mitchell
Please, no. I’m already sick as fuck of all the 11 year olds constantly posting his scene from Preludes and Nocturnes over and fucking over here. Literally every other horror comic is better written, scarier, and just plain more interesting than I MADE DINERS EAT EACH OTHER AND THEN HAVE SEX.
Bentley Carter
OG Black Mask is honestly a very interesting character and way cooler then current Blask Mask. His whole thing with masks and their symbolic implications as well as his obsession with exposing people is ripe with story possibilities and is a much more interesting able then "edgy guy in skull mask who loves torture".
I can see Black Mask using torture as a method for exposing people and forcing them to admit who they really are, but it shouldn't be his main thing.
Gabriel Garcia
He's still being relegated to just cameos, which is just a huge disservice to his character. The guy's a reality warper that can bring people's fears and nightmares to life, there is a lot they can do with him.
Jose Turner
I'm very interested in the organized crime structures of Gotham. Here's how I'd divide them if I was writing Batman
>The Ventriloquist: The last of the "old line" mobsters, connected by family as someone who knew everything and everyone from the pre-Batman days. Most of what was left of those empires was seized by Scarface, and a good chunk of Gotham still owes them favors. Scarface could easily be the most dangerous and untouchable of the Gotham crimelords if it wasn't for Wesker's troubled personality holding them both back. Wesker desperately wants out of the mob legacy that fell on his lap, but Scarface has big plans for this city and he won't let no dummy stand in his way.
>Black Mask: The False Face Society is comprised of oldies and newbies alike, but Sionis himself is mostly a figurehead. His lieutenants handle most of the work while Roman works primarily as a cult leader that rallies morale and orders assassinations. My version of Black Mask would be more in line with the original Moench character, a posturing and overdramatic pulp/noir villain whose cause resonates with many of the Gothamites who wish to be powerful and respected like the mad men in masks that rule the city.
>Two-Face: After his transformation into Two-Face, Harvey took to the streets and decided to fight the gangsters who ruined his life on their turf, having more success in doing so than he ever had as D.I. Like the Golden Age version, he often commits good, charitable deeds on the flip of a coin, and these Robin Hood antics, alongside his former status as Gotham's White Knight, and the fact that statistically half the time he's not such a bad guy, makes it so that Two-Face has a lot more loyal goons and informants and sources of revenue than the average crimelord. On the downside, Two-Face is unpredictable, often blows the payment of his goons on other things, and is actively hated by many other criminals. It's always a 50/50 with him.
Liam Reyes
>Penguin
My Penguin is more supervillain than crimelord, but the sheer amount of resources, contacts and information makes it so that all the other crimelords agree it's best to keep him alive, and although his pompous behavior and comical image makes many disdain him, everyone agrees that Cobblepot is best let alone, secure in his nest of power. He acts as the mediator between the city's crime bosses as well as the "freaks" of Gotham, so whenever one of them is looking to enlist, say, Killer Croc or The Scarecrow for a job, they go to Oswald.
>Rupert Thorne
Against all odds, Thorne managed to survive the fall of the rest of Gotham's reigning crime lords, and even managed to thrive for a while. Thorne is the representative of the common class of criminal, and he's often the chief reason why most of Gotham's institutions are fundamentally corrupt. Because people like the mayor may not listen to Scarface waving a tommy gun in his face or Cobblepot waddling around blowing smoke everywhere, but they'll listen to their good old friend Thorne. Even though most of the rogues hate Thorne, and Thorne hates that he has to live off their scraps, the bloated toad persists either way.
>Warren White
Despite being ostensibly new, The Great White Shark was able to secure himself among Gotham's chief bosses by operating the Crime Exchange within his headquarters in Arkham Asylum, running his empire much like a business and ensuring that, no matter which new hot shot declares himself the King of Gotham this week, he'll always have a system in place to keep him on top. Warren is a sleazy Gordon Gekko, Disney's Hades type, having become much more likeable and charismatic after having turned into a bleached shark person. He and Penguin have the most power over the system that allows Gotham's hyper organized and super crime to thrive.
And that's about it for the head honchos, but then there's other figures like Fay Gunn or The Calculator that figure in their own niches.
Wyatt Robinson
>we will never get Hugo Strange voiced by Tony Jay
Eli Smith
One of the worst villains on PreCrisis, until revamp of character by Neil Geiman in PostCrisis.
The great Erl-King of Green, murderer, rapist, crazy motherfucker, who truly is genderless dumbass and cheap Swamp Thing knock-off in universe. After appears in shitty movie, DC try hard to make this character popular: in last ten yerars that great B-List villain using mostly for futa memes and Erl-King King of Harley Quinn friendzone, in reality no one cared about she, and she dies.
Ian Nguyen
Fml.
God that would be amazing.
Chase Rivera
English please
Colton Phillips
heck, i need more practicing.
One of the worst Bat-villains in PreCrisis, until character got revamped by Neil Geiman in PostCrisis.
The great Erl-King of Green, murderer, rapist, crazy motherfucker, who in reality is genderless dumbass and cheap Swamp Thing knock off in universe. After she appeared in shitty movie, DC try hard to make this character popular: in last ten years that great B-List villain mostly used for futa memes and as Erl-King of Harley Quinn's friendzone, in reality no one cared about she, and she died.
Robert Ortiz
>egomaniac
>treats everything like a game because she is objectively one of the most powerful people in the universe and has presumably been winning for so long that nothing has any urgency to her anymore
>virtually never brings up GIRL POWER ever, doesn't really give a shit about gender in the first place besides a bait and switch
>near-total autist that's only really good at doing bad guy stuff; couldn't carry a normal conversation with most people to save her life and doesn't understand the concept of friendship or relationships in general, and is incredibly lonely as a result
>98% sociopath with a small amount of humanity to her that is so overshadowed and repressed by the rest of her horrible traits that it does nothing but bring her down on her off-time
>surprisingly nuanced, the only part of her character that's really spelled out for the audience is how she genuinely enjoys being a total asshole and that she's lonely
>being a girl makes her more likable than usual given the novelty of an actual well-written female character
I'll always consider Dominator one of the best examples of a Chaotic Evil antagonist, they could have easily just kept her a Power Rangers villain with no depth at all but chose to make her three-dimensional and show us how she's such a horrible wreck of a person that the only time she's ever really happy is when she's busy killing and destroying things. It's like the evil take on a tragic character.
John Evans
Despero?
Parker Cook
The Fisherman is pretty dope.
Logan Diaz
Starro never gets enough credit
Brandon Allen
Where does Starro scale on the list of destroyer of worlds?
All I really know about him is that he's basically this Lovecraftian beast that enslaves entire worlds with smaller versions of himself and even then I'm sure that's a very basic summaration.
Anthony Wilson
If I'm remembering correctly:
Archie lost that documentation in a fire and had no copies, digital or physical. Sega probably would have won the legal battle against Penders, but they didn't want to spend any more time and money on it, so they settled with him by giving him the rights to some characters.
He still hasn't done anything with them, has he? Last I heard he was (still) teasing some series.
Eli Morris
Based.
Anthony Torres
Should've been the villain for the JL movie.
Nathan Sanchez
Lord Pumpkin is the embodiment of underrated. Marvel needs to get off their asses and use him already. He's just too good to not use.
Camden Rodriguez
jockbro starro was a great idea
Lucas Williams
Whoops forgot image
Wyatt Perez
I just want to see him as a joke extra boss in a Spidey game or something.
Isaac Brooks
I've never heard of this character, but the abrupt halt of his dramatic introductory speech to thank one of his minions for the musical backup has instantly made me a fan. And the squid helmet is actually pretty boss.
Anthony Wood
Destroyer? No, Starro conquers. There are entire galaxies under his command, ever expanding thanks to his hivemind spores. Not sure what the galactic policy is with him, but I assume it's similar to how The Green Lantern Corps treats Reach and Apokolips space; just stay away
Camden Smith
Fisherman is pretty great. He's the charismatic thief archetype, always trying to steal valuable treasures and Atlantis is his favorite place to plunder, motivated by greed and for the thrill of treasure hunting. His main weapon is a fishing rod and string that's strong enough to keep Aquaman entangled as well as a plethora of gimmick lures.
And yes, his squid helmet is the peak of super villain fashion.
Jason Hill
what the fuck is erl-king?
Jaxon Moore
Chemo has a lot of potential of being a very sympathetic villain. A mindless and easily manipulated monster confused by it's own existence, capable of causing untold city-wide destruction while being unaware that it's doing anything wrong.
Henry Collins
Erl-King or ErlKing, from folclore and Goethe poem, it's her magical title. Swamp Thing is Warrior King of Green. What horns on Alec's head and Ivy's crown made from leafs occasionally shown in comics (and custom-things in Injustice 2) actually part of lore.
when Chemo first appeared in that form, he made a telepathic contact with Supergirl, and she found he is sentient.
Matthew James
He's saying that Poison Ivy is an elf.
Jonathan Jackson
Fuck, can we attempt to make another Orca thread, or should we give it more time?
Jason Walker
I feel like Chemo would be a cool Green Lantern. Would be nice to have an Earth-based one that isn't quite human.
Christopher Garcia
Wait a sec, is this guy's ability simply to be an unhitable target?
Holy shit, that's pretty good
Jordan Hernandez
He's had some development in the past couple of years, acting as both a criminal and bodyguard for Leslie Tompkins and in a relationship with Captain Stingaree, that could be expanded upon.
It flies by sheer hatred.
Angel Nelson
Yeah, post-IC Judomaster had the same shtick. He'd need a good design revamp though, otherwise he'd constantly get compared to Joker.
Ryder Wilson
I've seen this panel for ages so it can't be that recent of a revamp
Levi Hughes
Volcana.
Any of the other five DC ice powered women.
One of the versions of tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, and the twins that riddler 'looks afer'.
Charles Morris
It's also an "underrated" thread. For one of Spidey's oldest and most visible foes, Max Dillon hardly has any good stories to his name, and his death was only a sidenote to boost some bland OC copy up.
Ayden Cooper
If you're talking about DC's Volcana, she needs to be properly introduced into the comics first.
And Riddler's henchwomen are Query and Echo, and they're not twins.
Cooper Morris
>Batman fighting a Zorro-like villain
This is highly intriguing.
Joshua Lee
Angelo
Isaiah Reyes
It's crazy that one of the few characters that respects Oswald is The Batman Who Laughs
Blake Ramirez
Cavalier is primarily an arts and antiquities thief driven primarily by his own personal desires; I'm not exactly sure how you could make him Zorro-esque beyond the surface level.
>Master Bruce, I can assure you that I was being quite facetious when I suggested building your own gambling empire and lobbying for legalized heroin.
Isaac Ross
He'd be a good persona villain
Brody Jones
I was beyond surprised that this happened, especially in a Scott Snyder comic of all things considering he tends to actively dismiss any Batman villains he didn't rewrite or invent himself.
It's not even really out of character for their dynamic, it's just weird that Snyder of all people would go there. I definitely appreciated it.
Dylan Roberts
BWL said that Bruce's friend helped him expand his gambling empire. I'm just trying to picture Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and so on in such situations.
Chase Campbell
Everyone has their favorites.
Jonathan Martinez
I feel like Batman probably has an extraordinary number of underappreciated foes that I'd love to see revived.
Evan Jackson
Batman does by virtue of being one of the most popular characters, but most heroes who debuted in the Golden and early Silver Age usually have a sprawling list of villains who only have limited number of appearances.
Ryder Jones
>tfw you get replaced by a super edgy snyder version
i know Shauna wasn't invented by Snyder but she's symptomatic of everything wrong with the current state of Batman
Hunter Watson
I personally really like Psycho Pirate
Caleb Miller
This!
Oliver Garcia
Pretty great m8
Daniel Bailey
When was the last time she even showed up?
James Diaz
> that Alfred line
Holy shit I heard that
Leo Watson
I actually like Peyton Riley Ventriloquist.
The dynamic works a bit better than Wesker (Mobster/Moll), and it gave us at least one actual female super criminal in Batman's rogues gallery.
I would've liked her to be a permanent replacement, but nothing sticks in comics.
Chase Bailey
Peyton is definitely a billion times better than Shauna. I like Arnold fine too. His episodes spooked me a little from Batman TAS.
Kevin Carter
Nobody remembers Knockout.
Joshua Thompson
He’s got plenty of representation.
Lucas Wood
Noah Anderson
I always wanted to see a team up of Destiny and Pirate. Destiny modificates the Medusa Mask so that it can affect people via screen, pirate creates a youtube video and brainwashes the entire world to love. Only Martian Manhunter and other telepaths can fight the control off. Pirate doesn't take it all serious and only sees it all as a great until he begins to fear that they might actually win. Dee plans to use Hayden to force the entire world to sleep and that he might concentrate that collective dream power to empower him to become the master of reality.
Michael Howard
Whose villain is he?
Caleb Williams
God
David Ramirez
JL
Michael Martin
I like Peyton Riley too, more than I expected to, but I wouldn't want her to be a permanent fixture if it meant replacing Wesker.
I don't think the Scarface x Riley dynamic is nearly as interesting and she doesn't even really compare to Wesker as a character. I get that there's some obvious reasons why some people prefer her but I wouldn't want a character I consider one of the greatest Batman villains replaced by merely a decent replacement. It'd be like replacing Harvey Dent with Paul Sloan.
In fact, you could easily go the Paul Sloan route and give her an identity of her own, related to her former role as Ventriloquist.
I think it could have been really cool if the Arkham games took advantage of the "Joker has Scarface" scenario to squeeze more interaction out of them, and gave Mark Hamill a chance to basically argue with himself in-character. I think Hamill's performance in City and Knight is much better because he has restraints to work with and around, and Scarface could act as one.
Like Joker announcing part of his plans as Scarface, or having Scarface talk about how he likes The Joker much more as a boss than Wesker and The Joker basically using the puppet to stroke his ego and do a bit, until the puppet starts talking back to him in some cutscenes, and even taunting him about his failures against Batman and his desperate need for attention. And The Joker keeps destroying Scarface and getting himself new ones.
Scarface has always had an ambiguous supernatural edge to it and I think it'd be great if Joker squirmed a little under remarks from a puppet, of all things, and you don't know if it is Scarface's own consciousness shitting on Joker or if it's parts of Joker's hidden conscience talking back to him
Angel Long
Some Harley Quinn comic, I think.
Anthony Kelly
Oh Little Gotham is so adorable. Love how she's on first-name basis with the Gotham regulars.
Elijah Ramirez
I like the idea of Carpenter being an actual carpenter that gets jobs from super villains. I remember one thread where anons discussed Miriam owning a company that assists super villains in their crimes, giving them whatever resources they need for a price, including bail and lawyers if they get caught. I can see Carpenter working at her company and even having her own crew.
If anyone has any screencaps from that thread that would be great
John Taylor
>the Hush segment
Wow, for a moment I actually kind of forgot how much I hate this character.
Lil Gotham is super underrated
Chase King
Noah Bennett
Dude i have seen you around these threads! Do you like the gamer Joker meme?
Evan Wilson
This! Malekith is awesome. Shame Dark World ruined him
Robert Hughes
>The Hatter part
Hudson Robinson
bring back all the ravers
Brayden Watson
I think you might be mistaking me for someone else
>Do you like the gamer Joker meme?
I mean, as a meme, no, it fucking sucks and hasn't been funny since, well, ever.
As a way to do a pisstake on the Joker and his edgelord fanbase though, I can tolerate it.
David Garcia
Charles Thompson
I demand you tell me who this based motherfucker is and why he isn't a regular in Spidey's rogues gallery.
Dominic Hill
Adorable
Gavin Thompson
I really like Shauna as she fits into the modern Gothic aesthetic that Batman excels with. Peyton always seemed like one of those "turn them into a hot chick because we have no other ideas" kind of revamps and I feel that Wesker would work best as an example of Batman having genuine success at rehabilitating one of his villains.
Parker Cruz
Don't be gross user. Have you never seen the episode? How can you possibly miss what I was saying so hard?
Christian White
Any of her comics on DC Universe?
Nolan Clark
>Shame Dark World ruined him
And the upcoming War of the Realms event is gonna make him even worse.
Christopher Wilson
Meant for
Nicholas Wright
I want to know more.
Matthew Barnes
Professor Farnsworth is a great villian
Nicholas Smith
>DOOMSDAY DEVICE!? Oh, now the ball's in Farnsworth's court!
Hudson Lopez
Ayatollah Khomeini in Death in the Family (Jason Todd's death arc).
Bonus points to Joker's stint as the ambassador for Iran to gain diplomatic immunity for his crimes.
Michael Mitchell
Despero is awesome but now he just serves as a jobber
Sebastian Russell
That's Sauron and he's actually an X-Men villain.
Nolan Brooks
Despero has issues standing out among the crowded space villain field.
Josiah Rivera
I kind of like Shauna conceptually even if I've never really read a good story with her.
And Peyton is just really bland.
>I feel that Wesker would work best as an example of Batman having genuine success at rehabilitating one of his villains
That's kind of what the DCU did towards the end.
Personally I like Arnie too much as a villain to see him rehabilitated yet. Poor bastard definitely needs it though.
In a way I think of The Ventriloquist as the quintessential Batman villain, and I would want to see him play a larger role in stories. Stories with Wesker as the focus tend to be either really great (his Batman Adventures books, The Return of Scarface) or really stupid (Killer Killer) or both (Psychodrama), but they are never not entertaining.
He's a very fascinating character
Gabriel Morgan
it's Sauron, he started as X-Men villain, but for now more Spidey reguar.
Luke Harris
>I feel that Wesker would work best as an example of Batman having genuine success at rehabilitating one of his villains.
I don't get people like you. Batman is a franchise that's almost 80 years old and you're talking like it's an actual story. It's not. It's just a series of things happening that will never end.
Bruce will always be Batman. Villains will never reform. Gotham will never get better. Nothing will ever change in any meaningful way.
Adam Lopez
>Wesker would work best as an example of Batman having genuine success at rehabilitating one of his villains
unless if Scarface is actually living magically killer doll.
It's not success. It's like you're forced two gays to broke up.
Christian Richardson
Shauna has a pretty great concept. She's got a good aesthetic, can be played creepy, evil, or sympathetic, the doll as a reflection of her personal issues, and I really love low-powered psychics.
>How dare you want them to give one concept a send-off before a revamp?
Except it's not, Wesker is just schizophrenic.
Blake Cook
>the batman snorkeling in the killer croc panel
Ayden Harris
well, no. Scarface shit just too hard to explain that easy, unless you got BTAS instead of brain.
and i'm think he had personality disorder, actualy shizos guys like Magpie.
Nathan Evans
If Wesker had MPD he would slip into the Scarface identity, instead he believes that ventriloquist dummy is an actual person separate from himself. Magpie isn't schizo either, she's just a kleptomaniac.
Joshua Gray
>unless if Scarface is actually living magically killer doll.
That's a fucking stupid idea. If you have to get a second/third Ventriloquist, the idea should be that it's just another schizophrenic who is fixated with the doll. Like an orderly at Arkham steals the doll. You could even do stuff with Hugo Strange intentionally recreating a Ventriloquist/Scarface thing just for shits and giggles by making someone think the doll IS alive and become mentally unstable until they go nuts and adopt the identity for real.
Anthony Brooks
It worked way better than Gail Simone's edgy version of the metahuman Scarface and the lady Ventriloquist.
Samuel Rivera
>he believes that ventriloquist dummy is an actual person separate from himself
i think, he believes in it because he had MPD, DUMMY.
>Magpie isn't schizo either, she's just a kleptomaniac.
wow it's just pain in my ass.
Samuel Morris
That's not how MPD works at all. If Wesker had MPD he would be Scarface, not the dummy. He would switch between the Wesker identity and the Scarface identity. Magpie has never been anything other than a klepto in the comics, she has unrealistic MPD in Beware the Batman though.
Isaac Johnson
>that's not how MPD works at all
i got it, i'm slowpock, i'm not talk about Mpd in first place, personality disorders got many forms.
>Magpie has never been anything other than a klepto in the comics
hm, not, she is not just a clepto. Read comics, dude.
I'm never talked about Beware.
Grayson Reyes
Ghost as a vigilant foil to Tony Stark, Cap or other international acting heroes with connections to corps.
Connor Watson
Cameron Torres
Can't believe that she never fought Moon Knight.
Christian Peterson
Owen Thomas
Carter Hall
Honestly any Superman villain that isn't Zod, Luthor or Brainiac are pretty underrated
Bentley Nelson
You'd think that full body cyborg powered by radioactive space rock the slowly poisons Superman just by proximity would be a bigger deal.
Ayden Lopez
The Ending Battle crossover was one giant Superman villain revamp and it's a damn shame how little mileage it got out of them.
Justin Ross
Too much DC, let's change it. Marvel has some very good and interesting underrated villains too. For example this guy. He's barely used.
Nathan Ward
Metallo is the go-get guy to battle Superman, J.C. is smart enough to not fall to Superman's tricks and his kryptonite and metal body can deal with Sup's power.
Jason Morales
The issue is that pretty much all Metallo fights end with Superman remembering that Metallo's power source and primary weapon are located outside his body then speed blitzing it.
That's because he's an evil alt-universe version of a b-list X-Man who doesn't really stand out among the surprisingly large number of mad scientists within the X-franchise, much less the MU as a whole.
Jackson Young
Graviton needs some respect.
Isaac Cook
Given many of his appearances, Graviton being a sad, pathetic man who is nonetheless batshit terrifying due to his powers and mental issues would be a pretty great characterization.
Christopher Thomas
I'm pretty sure it would be easier for Dark Beast to be redeemed than regular Beast by this point
Noah Gray
Dark Beast is dead. Also pretty much everyone is trying to ignore the past several years of Beast character assassination.
Bentley Ross
If you like Ironman villains. I suggest looking into Firebrand and The Face Thief.
Jose Johnson
Sam Scudder Mirror Master
Jeremiah Diaz
The Top too, he’s actually badass.
Samuel Watson
And Inertia.
Carson Bell
Cus Marvel villains suck
Grayson Taylor
Based. Kadbra is good too
Jeremiah Perry
I think it would mainly be because no one would really know how to write her. Look at what's been happening with Gwenpool. Or hell really any low tier character lately. No one really wants to work on the lesser characters as that's not where the money is so they just give them generic ideas and personalities. Comics are dying.
Easton Perry
Give him a tophat.
I think the real issue with Baby Doll is that at the end of the day no one is going to take someone who looks like a 7yo seriously as a villain and that the most logical ways to use her are either go full-on creepy, which more or less destroys the nuance of the character, or add her to Batman's already crowded "freakish gangster" roster of villains.
Angel Lee
Motherfucking Mongul
Levi Howard
the scarecrow is deserving of love and affection.
Brandon Nguyen
The Marvel version? The one from DC is usually potrayed well
Tyler Watson
They also need to bring back his daughter.
Christian Wilson
Honestly, those Orca and Nightwing stories made me actually enjoy Orca as a character. It’s funny that some greentext user can actually write better than a professional comic book team.
Aiden Walker
This!
Jayden Rivera
I really want Mongul II and Mongal to be a pair of essentially space barbarians with different mentalities on how to conquer the galaxy both living heavily in the shadow of their father, who despised both of them and intentionally managed their upbringing to keep them squabbling and fighting each other even long after his death.
James Nguyen
I liked MoonDragon, except she’s not really a villain.
Connor Bell
Top, The Clown and Abra Kadabra are kino Flash villains that just don't get enough credit.
Daniel Kelly
That’d be epic
Ayden Reyes
I read this in dale and his wifes voice
Ryan Perry
Kek
Cooper Gomez
What is that device in her hand?
Ethan Rivera
Hologram projector?
Jace Martin
It's her disaster dial.
Nolan Butler
Cool!
Elijah Davis
>He's a Far-Right Extremist
Chase Thompson
This, but unironically.
Dominic Hill
I-
Ethan Lee
"stop hitting yourself"
Angel Gonzalez
Jonathan Murphy
Christ, they probably would do that.
Cameron Campbell
it's especially funny because orca and nightwing aren't even a good pairing that makes sense. it's just kind of based on the fact that orca's last appearance was in nightwing.
Even when they appeared together Nightwing never really showed an ounce of pity for Grace, he didn't really consider her his business.
Justin Sanders
The issue with Dark Beast is that he's not really that great of a primary, hands on deck antagonist, he's more of an interesting underling on the sidelines. He's Josef Mengele of mutants who experiments and tortures people for his own interests, and that doesn't translate well as a threat unless you make him Sinister 2.0/High Evolutionary with dumb "I'm going to evolve the entire world!" plots.
He's much more interesting when you him as a completely immoral dude doing shit to people on a small scale. The issue is that you would have to figure out some kind of a gimmick that allows him to be used on a semi-regular basis. Like he's X-Force's science officer, kept under lock and key and used for his skills, etc. After you revive him, of course, since Bendis killed him.
Adam Gonzalez
>Look at what's been happening with Gwenpool.
Gwenpool's issue is entirely that she's gimmicky as hell. It's a meta-riff on Deadpool for God's sake. It's hard to keep it fresh for very long. She's being used entirely fine in West Coast Avengers, without being obnoxious.
Camden Roberts
The issue is that if you're not playing on her gimmicks she's just weird as a character, though.
This is a character who's entire gimmick is that she understands all the bullshit meta behind comics, the REAL reasons behind what happens in the marvel universe, so you just use her as a regular character who sometimes makes a joke about how she knows this is a comic? If you don't really care about the character she's basically nothing. If you liked the character, it's offputting.
Noah Campbell
If it works for Deadpool, why not Gwenpool? She is, after all, now a comic book character under the influence of revisions and changes. WCA has her entire love affair with Quintin be a ploy to make her prominent enough via romance subplot to not be killed off, etc. which is still consistent with her core gimmick, even if her powers to break the 4th wall are diminished.
John Carter
I know, I know, but it’s still really cute.
Landon Sullivan
When did this Orca and NIghtwing thing start?
Isaac Collins
It’s been around for a while if you check the archives, but here are a couple of recent threads:
I was skeptical about this pairing at first, but now I can see it happening.
Jonathan Young
I guess thematically Orca would fit better as an Aquaman villain but her being a Nightwong rogue makes some sense considering who she fought first. She moved on from Batman and is now causing trouble for his former sidekick.
Angel Garcia
I still like her better solo
Carson Rivera
It’s a crack pairing, but I like it. It’s not for everyone.
Anthony Lee
I think another issue is that he's basically a less proactive Arnim Zola.
Easton Brown
Who dis?
Evan Harris
Yup!
That’s how it will remain, canonically. I guess anons can have their own head canon if they want, tho
Daniel Reed
>thematically orca would fit better as an aquaman villain
eh
to me that's like if the lizard ran off to live a peaceful life in the savage land, in rings like a cop-out.
better as an outcast.
Blake Baker
She was Rebirth Nightwing for a couple issues
Nicholas Cook
This. And then a couple of Yea Forums anons got carried away.
Owen Campbell
I like Magpie/Orca myself.
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Logan Miller
That’s pretty cute!
Christopher Thomas
cmon, baby, don't fear the Reaper
Poisonpie only good pairing with Magpie.
Noah James
Agreed with Monk since Dala is usually with him.
Lucas Brooks
I want to see more of Jimmy and The Fury
Daniel Reed
Omega Red. I hate that he became a jobber in modern comics.
Carson Fisher
Hey there, Vanyukov
Noah Cooper
hai bitch
Jacob Perry
STFU and link which issue had Ivy with a dick already
James Morris
Slyde
Ryan Perez
does i need to STFU or provide link? choose one.
And don't try to shame me. I'm only grown in my vampiric power.
Robert Sanders
Surprised this guy isn't more of a Justice League tier-villain. Seeing the danger he possess
Nathaniel Robinson
Learn your english before posting here, Dmitriy.
Owen Ross
bump
Asher Butler
:(
Jose Martin
The Brotherhood of Evil, especially Warp who is DC's version of the Spot.
Lincoln Gomez
Jaxson Green
Ryder White
Luckily we'll always have the games
Levi Roberts
>And don't try to shame me. I'm only grown in my vampiric power.
Connor Johnson
I really wish they had done more with it
Xavier Gutierrez
The Ratcatcher did become forgotten about.
Michael Gutierrez
Owen Moore
I've seen Ratcatcher get put on "worst/lame Batman villains ever!!!" lists several times and I can't think for the life of me why. It's one thing to know nothing about a character or missing the point but how the hell can people think Ratcatcher is a terrible villain coming from the concept alone.
He's a creepy guy who controls thousands of rats, basically rules Gotham's underground sewer system and has attempted and came close to completely taking over Gotham with said rat army. He's an effective and frankly terrifying villain, one of the best bat rogues to come out during the 80's imo.
Jaxson Morris
Him and Doctor Destiny could easily be Justice League tier threats. A lot of earth-based villain pose world wide threats but aren't really fully realized. Guys like Ocean Master, Doctor Destiny, Doctor Polaris, Prometheus, Shade etc.
Jose Wilson
My personal two cents? It's the thigh-high boots. Male villains in thigh-high boots will never be considered cool by most people.
Old continuity Ocean Master really didn't care much about the surface compared to the ocean/Atlantis and current continuity Ocean Master's most notable showing was a JL arc about him waging war on the surface.
Nolan Parker
Dr. Rot
Jack Jenkins
Elijah Evans
Elijah Kelly
Nicholas Edwards
Okay, this guy is awesome. This is the first time I'm seeing this character and he's already my favorite comic book villain. I'm gonna have to do more research on this guy.
He reminds me of Dr. Satan from House of 1000 Corpses.
Brody Robinson
He is a treat.
Cooper Russell
Batroc
Josiah Gomez
>6 days
Holy shit, the absolute state of 4channel
Isaiah Myers
The greatest couple that never happened...
Landon Morgan
This thread got me to look into the cavalier. A version of the character is featured in a LOTDK 3 issue mini called Blades. Highly enjoyed it.
Austin Thomas
Go jerk off to a real orca whale you fuck.
Gabriel Williams
People who think Ratcatcher is lame never read his debut story
Nathaniel Myers
Could he be the killer in HiC? His mask resembles the kind they wear in sanctuary.
Zachary James
Baby Doll would more than likely be repulsed by that version of Toyman.
If it's the James Robinson story it's actually a completely different character with the same name.
Nathan Clark
Julian Ross
>Graviton needs some respect.
Avengers EMH was about the only time I saw him handled correctly, the mutherfucker is SICK with power but he's looked on as a third rate Magneto.
>I control one of the four principles forces of REALITY!
Jackson Parker
Because all Batman villains are artists, in their way, expressing themselves through murder and advanced neurotoxins.
It's the most unique part of Batman's rogues gallery that's been lost over the years; they KNOW they're doing things the hard way, and that's the point. It's not just crime, it's something new and beautiful that can survive the age of superheroes. It's crime as art.
Carter Cook
Lots of the JLA villains have a ton of interesting stuff about them. I'd love them to get some screen time instead of another damn Darkseid or Injustice Gang arc. And I love both of those things.
Dominic Robinson
I’m not attracted to Orcas. I just thought that the stories were comfy.
Nathan Smith
best barracuda. I would love to see this whole side story animated or live action. would be hilarious.
Julian Morgan
Dr destiny he the most formidable villain against the justice league too sad he was forgotten.
Adrian Foster
I want to see each reality warper having to fight The Fury.
Adrian Evans
I thought Destiny was already considered to be a Justice League villain?
Robert Cox
I love "Warren's become much more likeable after being turned into a bleached shark man.".
William Wright
It's mostly because Magento's been powered up to his level and, well, just has a better look.
It's a visual medium. Just like these guys suffer from their own concept of being the weirdest supervillains ever. It's great and I love it but man it's way easier to draw a couple gangsters isn't it?
Lincoln Morris
Dr. Finitevus wasn't a Ken Penders character in the first place, they just didn't want to bother in case he or the creator (Karl Bollers) attempted further litigation.
Joseph Powell
Shoulda been the recipient of all the post M-Day powers instead of that bendis OC
Logan Martin
It was one of those "Alfred, you're a genius!" moments, wasn't it.
Grayson Carter
Bump
Dominic Jenkins
She nearly was going to Snu-Snu Azrael
Landon Anderson
The Extremis virus in general
Cooper Morales
Ratcatcher and Killer Croc should team up
Brandon Roberts
>the teamup dissolves because Croc won't stop called Ratcatcher, "Willard"
Joshua Adams
I quite doubt it. But I can't stop ya.