Is there even a single Yea Forums character who can defeat Gilgamesh?

Gil has better counters than Batman does. And his nature as a Servant means that unless you're a similar form of mystical bullshit, then you can't harm him.

Not even a tenth of a percent

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>Not posting the superior Yea Forums one
Get fucked, Yea Forumsfag

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>FF
>superior to anything
Funny.

Jesus this character sounds annoying. Do people LIKE him?

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DARKSEID woud humble him. The king of heroes comes to naught against the GOD of TYRANTS.

Would you like fries with that?

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i'd rather fuck him

Picturing a different version of that "I like you, Godfrey!" quote desu

You know he could

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"I like you, Gilgamesh! You're a shallow, precious child — the Collector — happy with the sweeping view of conquered spoils! But I am the Revelation! The Tiger-Force at the core of all things! When you cry out in your dreams — it is Darkseid that you see!"

Nobody truly likes Gil. Even in-universe, he's considered the most arrogant and insufferable prick to have ever come into being.

The only reason he's really tolerated is that his help can become invaluable if you can actually convince him it's worth his oh-so glorious attention. And the occasional instances where he's summoned as his Kid self or as a Caster instead.

Gilgamesh and Ramses/Ozymandias are said to get along with each other.

Well, at least is better that you edgy, moeshit & mundane actual Yea Forums-media, mister.
Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh... it is morphing time!
>inb4 "FFfag"
Still whinning, asshole.

Ben is too arrogant to go for anything that could actually harm Gil. And Gil is too arrogant to use his stronger stuff against Ben.

They both have the means to take each other out (or in Ben's case, knock him around a lot because Omnitrix), but they won't do it because they have egos the size of multiple galactic clusters.

That's because they have similar personalities and somewhat play off each other. The difference is that Ozymandias isn't a cunt about it.

So we should ship them

This but Kirby isn't Yea Forums.
Out of the Yea Forums pantheon I'm going with Yugo or Ben Tennyson

Gilgakek is a joke in the Fate franchise specially now that grand classes are a thing, he always gets destroyed by the plot so standards aren't high

I think Popeye handled being erased by existence once.

Grand classes aren't really any different from normal Servants, user. They're just bigger shells for the essence of their respective Heroic Spirit.

If you summoned Gilgamesh as a Grand version of his normal class, then you're just summoning Gil with more access to his actual power than he normally gets.

They get along so well because they constantly jack themselves off thinking the one is talking about the other.

youtu.be/OU8nQEPduZs?t=1164

Kirby would benchpress the entire Nasuverse, let's be honest here.

Superman, you are shamefaggin so hard that the poster count is stagnating

>18 IPs
I think you have autism.

Loses to her

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Post your favorite servants.

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Stardust

Was there ever a point in Fate, where Gill got called out on being both a faker and mongrel, by defenition?

I THINK GIRUGAMESH SUCK AND YOU SHOULD GO BACK THE FUCK TO Yea Forums

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Mo-san

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Most aren't strong (or stupid enough) to try. Though they've made little jabs at him now and then.

Yes but also because Kirby is a fucking busted lovecraftian horror killer.

Little pink guy would probably suck up Ea and obliterate Gil

Darkseid is actually a terrible matchup for Fate Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh by the time of Fate has already been slammed with the literal manifestation of all of the evil in the world in an attempt to break and corrupt him. Gilgamesh didn't even flinch, because as King of the World he already owned up to all of its evil too. So everything Darkseid represents is already something Gilgamesh has taken in stride.

Meanwhile, Darkseid is a god. That means that the moment Chains of Heaven enters play, Darkseid loses. Its a hard counter against gods, the manifestation of revenge against the divine and the power of mankind to surpass the immortal. Everything that makes Darkseid so powerful is exactly why he can't escape it, and why he would become totally powerless in its grasp.

Follow that up with a well placed Nobel Phantasm or two, and Darkseid is dead.

This adorable little bastard right here. Him and the Old Man.

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>Click video to see what you're talking about
>24 minutes
Yeah no thanks

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Nasuverse has the mystic eyes of death bullshit so no
One of the most overlooked overpowered shit in fiction
Also True ancestors and dead apostles

A fucking autistic kid that barely knew magic managed to beat him. Anyone with some agility could make a number on him.

Nasu is a terrible writer, easily fanfic-tier, and the whole Fate franchise, is nothing more than a grimderp rip off of Digimon.

Gil's main power is, in one word, bullshit, which is appropriate since the Nasuverse runs on the stuff, thus making him one of the most powerful characters.

And even then, he's nowhere as powerful as faggot Op makes him out to be, there are characters in it that setting capable of wiping the floor with him. Some kind of celestial anthropormizations, literally incarnate world spirits. And even then there's some wizard dude that outranks even those. Can you say power creep? He exists solely> to provide Nasu with a convenient Deus Ex.

Gil is an asshole and the patron saint of pricks, thus it shouldn't surprise anyone that he has a plethora of fans in Yea Forums, who view him as an inspiration and hope to one day, be just as big a dickhead as him. Which usually starts with the cunning plan of going to Yea Forums and trying to engage in second grade level arguments about how their husbando can beat up everyone else's. Which is always good comedy.

The only thing that might affect Kirby there is MEoDP, and even that I have my doubts about.

Maybe if this were Kirby pre-Epic Yarn, Robobot, and Star Allies. But now? No.

I have just the right character to fight Gilgamesh

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You keep writing but all you say is...

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See . Shirou only "beat" him because Gil is stupid arrogant in the extreme.

Hell, I think in the original VN, Shirou didn't even beat him. It was a curbstomp of epic proportions even with Gilgamesh holding back.

>Which they will, unless you can survive the literal author of the story crossing your name out of the book.

Mxy handled that just fine.

Not seeing how his post was autistic. That's literally how things worked with Gil when the Black Grail/Angry Manjew tried to corrupt him.

NOBU!

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Flash, the answer is always Flash, he can move faster that light, he could literally take every weapon flying at him and put it in a pile that reads "fuck you" from above.

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If all else fails, King Hassan can kill Kirby. No question. King Hassan's entire kit is that he can kill things that cannot be killed by any means.

He rips out your heart, crushes it, and you die. There are no exceptions to this. It even works on things that don't HAVE HEARTS.

One time he pulled the heart out of a dude with super regeneration. The guy grew back his heart instantly, and then King Hassan crushed the heart he was holding and the guy fell over dead anyway. He had a perfectly functional heart and no wound on his body at all, but King Hassan did thing 1 and thing 2, so that means thing 3: you dead as fuck.

Reminder that Gilgamesh lost to an autistic 16 year old with a sword fetish.

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Oh look, is Susanoo from when Sasuke couldn't use Susanoo that well.

Oh dear, someone took the bait.

And there he is reeling it in, but he is obviously clumsy and over eager and lost it by pulling too hard.

Guy who actually likes Gilgamesh here
Flash would body him so fucking hard

He lost to Shiro because he hesitated so someone like the Flash who could fuck his shit 12 ways to Sunday before the impulse to reach his hand out could even make it from his arm to his brain would make mincemeat out of him. He has a lot of bullshit powers but ultimate he himself isn't shit. There are too many characters to list that are out of his league entirely.

Saber route-Gilkek gets destroyed by Avalon Saber
UBW- Kid with self destructive autism beats him
HF-Big tits edgy waifu defeats him in 3 seconds
Strange Fake-Almost all of his enemies give him trouble

>He rips out your heart, crushes it, and you die. There are no exceptions to this. It even works on things that don't HAVE HEARTS.

Ok, but what if your power was not regeneration or immortality but resurrection?

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>his post.
Oh dear child, you're so precious.

Superman is too fast for Gil to react to though. That's the main problem with him. He's got a superhuman reaction time but not nearly fast enough to beat anyone in Supes league. The only way Gil gets one over on Superman is if he's being retarded and just tanking blows to tank them.

Thats the point would Gil actually consider somebody like Lady Shiva or Metamorpho as a worthy adversary?

Karna for husbando, Musashi for Waifu.

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Half of those either hard-countered him or he didn't consider them a threat and got bodied because again; crippling arrogance. Which is basically what most agree would body the guy. He's too arrogant and egotistical for his own good.

Flash is basically a perfect counter to Gil.
>Outruns anything Gil can throw at him
>Seemingly a non threat until he actually becomes a threat
>Speedforce shenanigans
Gil would be destroyed by Flash before he even realizes the Flash is gonna fuck him up.

>Is there even a single Yea Forums character who can defeat Gilgamesh?
Gilgamesh has several fatal flaws and basically eats shit against anyone that knows what they're doing. There's a reason that best boy Cú Chulainn never has a fair fight with him across the entirety of Fate/.

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How about the power rangers?
They sure can beat Gil, right?

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You talking shit bout mai Daimyo?

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Gil got beat by an angry teenager with a little bit of help from his future self.

He's not all that powerful, he just has a lot of op tools at his disposal.

Ah, someone with fucking amazing taste

How strong even is Enkidu, NP wise? The one time he uses it on a God-God (Tiamat) it barely lasts against her.

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jumping into the convo here but he gave a literal god the concept of death and applied it to her. resurrection means nothing cause if he can strip immortality and divinity what does it matter you can reborn yourself

We have a winner.

Flash is probably a great bet against him, yeah. I wont say its impossible for Flash to lose, because we are talking about a 2/3rd's god king with access to a a hyperspace arsenal of the most magical weapons ever made... but Gil has to actually draw out those weapons, and the Flash can do a lot in that time. Probably kill him.

I do think that Flash would have to go for an infinite mass punch or something like it to kill Gil, though. Normal hits aren't going to do it, as a heroic spirit nonmagical sources of damage are way less effective against him. And Flash is a lot of things, but 'magic' isn't one of them.

As for the flipside of this battle... Gil's only chance would be to use a weapon that has a flat effect. Like how Gae Bolg will rewrite causality to stab you in the heart instead of missing. Anything that Gil can miss with wont hit Flash, but some weapons in fate are bullshit enough that he doesn't have to hit with them to get the kill.

Fight goes to Flash unless Flash underestimates Gilgamesh and doesn't stop him from pulling out something that can ruin Flash's day. Which, to be fair, Flash lets his villains do a LOT.

King Hassan is essentially Necrodeus, who is the closest ANY villain has come to killing Kirby. Still failed because apparently Kirby's 'soul' (his Heroic Heart) was indestructible. So it might just end up being the same song and dance.

Hassan once gave the primordial conceptual sea of chdos that birthed all life the capacity to die when it had none at all before. Period.

Being able to resurrect is meaningless against the Old Man.

>jumping into the convo here but he gave a literal god the concept of death and applied it to her
To be fair this also cost him pretty much every ounce of his crazy OPness to even do. As a Grand, Hassan is probably the best assassin. But without Grand status, I don't think Hassan is going to be all that amazing.

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sure
laser tattoo removal man

Its an interesting question, OP but could Gilgamesh actually beat Uchiha Madura?

And I'm not talking about Edo Tensao Uchiha Mudaru. I'm not talking about Gendu Prime Tenchi Uchiha Madara either. I'm talking about Jubli Jinjirokuu Gendo Rinde Tensai Uchiha Madaru with the Eternal Mangina Shinagami and Rinnegans Dosjutsus (with the rikdo abilities and being capable of both Amaterasu and Tsukume genjatsu), equipped with his Ganpai, a perfect Susano, control of the jibblies and Gendou Maze, with Hashirame Senjo's DNA implanted in him so he has muggolo boggolu gobbolu and can perform ying yan fradda radda blibbity biggo boo kenjutsu and taichi.

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>kill rule gone?
any magic user who can sever his ties to the mortal world. at the end of the day, he is nothing more than a doll given life with a copy of someone's soul. He needs magic energy to live aand somehow cutting him off and using a magic drain spell will fuck him over.

Faster.

The only right answer

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>probably

The Flash could vibrate his molecules back into space dust before he could finish the thought to draw one of his weapons. If Flash or really almost any super speedster is playing for keeps Gil loses hard. I supposed Quicksilver would probably get his shit pushed in but I wouldn't even call that a sure thing.

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losing his GS class doesn't mean he isn't OP. He is the first Assassin in the world and never died.

That's because Tiamat is bullshit even amongst gods. Especially in her domain (literally anywhere life exists).

It also doesn't help that Gil isn't firing at full capacity in his standard Servant form. The overall power of Enkidu probably takes a hit with how limited his Servant status makes him.

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>Superman is too fast for Gil to react to though.
Eh, Supes's a bad match up for Gil. Gil's entire body is made of magic so Superman has to use indirect attacks and he can pull bullshit magic weapons out of his hat that negate dodge. Enkidu alone basically guarantees a dead Superman, since it's like the golden lasso with infinite range and auto-targeting.

Not that strong in the context of capeshit, but in Fate it's able to stop Heracles cold, who is supposed to be pretty strong for a Servant.

At their best, maybe. Don't think anything else is truly good enough to take him down unless it's multiple teams of them.

Yeah, but that's why I qualified it with him using it against an actual god in Grand Order.

You are just repeating the point that he can kill anything, I'm just arguing that somebody who can resurrect from the death after being killed doesn't have any weakens since he can just return again and again until he wins or gets bored and leaves.

But fine, lets argue that something that is alive can't revive from whatever that attack is. What about something that is already dead? You can't kill something that isn't alive.

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With enough "Pink Energy" she could kill him.

Agreed, but we have to admit there is a huge difference between internet theorycrafting Flash and the Flash as he actually functions in 99.9% of his comic appearances. If the Flash actually used his powers as we know them beyond just running pretty damn fast, there wouldnt be any Flash adventures. Flash wouldn't be in any fights, because he would have ended the guy -5 seconds before the fight actually began.

But in practice, thats not how Flash works. Flash has struggles and fights like any other superhero. He even loses some of them, often fights that he has no excuse to have lost beyond plot.

You know the one.

Honestly?
>Can fight magic with magitech
>morphing grid is alien so he doesn't have a legacy advantage over their gear
Actually, if they somehow knew his weakness (he doesn't have anything that can actually punch through pocket dimensions) they could use the morphing grid to replicate the effect of Avalon and block all his shit. If they could fight while continuously morphing and demorphing, he's fucked.

Thats not how Supermans weakness to magic works at all. It's not a special form of kryptonite to him. He can punch magical beings in the face provided they can be punched in the face and it's going to act just like any other punch to the face. Superman's weakness to magic is better specified as Superman having no particular special defense against magic. If a magic sword can cut anything it can cut Superman. If a fireball can burn anything it can burn Superman. If you summon a normal sword using magic it's just a normal sword and his general invulnerability still applies.

>You can't kill something that isn't alive.

user, this is Nasuverse.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, an overall WEAKER version of King Hassan's power, can be used to essentially teleport yourself to places/things to yourself by killing the distance that separates you from that thing. Just let that one sink in.

You can make two people enemies by killing their friendship.

Killing a zombie or a robot or a golem is smalltime death magic.

You don't seem to understand what Tiamat is. Tiamat, as the primordial conceptual sea from which all life stemmed and as a multi-dimensional reality-breaking force of chsos, couldnt die. At all. Death wasnt a concept that applied to her or one that she would even consider as an actual existing concept. She was that alien to reality, and anything not herself.

Hassan still forced death to apply to her. It took all he had as a Grand, but it still stuck.

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True but the same can be said about Gil, half of his bullshit weapons are thing he never used in "canon" and in the actual stories where he is in, he gets defeated by things well bellow what he is actually able to handle.

Now for a more interesting fight, what about Gil vs Captain boomerang? He once grabbed a torpedo and handled it in a way that made it return to the submarine that shoot it. If he was able to "boomerang" one of Gil weapons and bullseye him in the heart would he be able to win?

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Superman's weakness to magic is magic items and effects impact him through his powers. It doesn't need to be specifically anti-superman magic or generally anti-everything magic. He's weak to magic, not enchantments. When Superman meets magic, it treats him as if he's out of solar energy. You don't need a magic sword that can cut anything. You just need a fucking magic sword. You don't need magic lightning that can electrocute anything. All magic lightning electrocutes him.

user! ffs

he put the concept of death on a creature that is a god, primordial sea which made all life in reality. It doesn't matter if you have ghost powers, rebirth powers or something as stupid as Gilgamesh anime plot armor. if your a ghost, immortal ect ect then all you get is Cessation of Existence as a reward or if your in DC,marvels world you get an afterlife with death book saying dead....forever

Just the shits and chuckles.

>Can't wait to see if he makes it into live movies.

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To be fair, the specific variant of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception you're talking about is an ability of the literal will of existence. It's multiversal TOAA/Presence bullshit. It can literally attack on a conceptual plane of existence.

No, now fuck off back to Yea Forums

Spot.
don't deny it

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Not that user, but it's basically pointless to argue with these things considering the difference in how death is handled.

in fate its all made up for lore convenience like he still dont explain why hes is stronger than dakrseid or even superman, its mumbling about stuff that no make sense in power level yet he is stronger

>Shirou only "beat" him because Gil is stupid arrogant in the extreme.
Shirou is a Tonberry.
Tons of HP
Seems weak and easy to underestimate until he doinks you.

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That's more or less what i was trying to get at but with specific examples. If you hit him with a general purpose magical lightning bolt it will electrocute him but he doesn't lose his durability like he does with kryptonite. Hence why he can take a fuck ton of Billy's magical lightning bolts to the face and keep fighting. The user I was replying to seems to think that Superman treats magic like kryptonite where he loses all his powers simply by being in proximity or interacting with it. He doesn't. He's still Superman and can still lift a fucking train even if it's a magical train, provided the train doesn't have a magical enhancement that means that it can't be lifted by anyone. So the real point I was trying to make ultimately is that Superman can turn Gilgamesh's head into chunky salsa without fear even if said head is made of magic.

>If he was able to "boomerang" one of Gil weapons and bullseye him in the heart would he be able to win?
Probably not. Gil has some pretty damn good control over those things. Him sending them out the Gate en masse is just his preferred method for dealing with folk.

He never said that Gil is stronger than either of them though? He just said that he has tools that can no-sell a good portion of their abilities. He's still fucked if he goes for his usual "MONGRELS" spiel instead of pressing the attack.

OK we are going with bullshit writing then, Ok I present to you Dr Sivana! Among his accomplishments is being so OP in science that just knowing the theoretical formula to phase through dimension allows him to do so, he once trick the most powerful wizard in the world to give him his powers, using a cheap costume, he created his own element, the rock of eternity that resides outside reality itself with his own technological pimped out version of it and somehow has two different backstories that contradict each other.

If there is somebody who can outbullshit the Nasuverse is him. Give him a week and he would have made his own Hollygrail who works better that the real thing.

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I mean, the whole point of his FSN arcs is that he’s pretty shit without Enkidu babysitting him

The amount of thinking, you've put in that reply.

I don't even understood half of what you said.

And no, I don't want to know.

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Wasn't Tiamad a dragon head that shoot poison gas? I remember seeing it in that anime that had Saber and Dracula in it.

holy shit, not even Allen Gregory had writing this pretentious and shitty. fuck off to Yea Forums, please.

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Wasn't there a rule in Nasuverse, that you can't actually damage a servant in any capacity if you are not magical in any capacity? Like you can punch one in the face with super strength and he will fly through a wall, but won't recive any damage from either of impacts. I distinctly remeber something like that being a thing.

You made me chuckle.

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Yeah Servants are made entirely out of mana so you need to have at least a tiny bit of magic to be able to damage them.
This is also why they can't bleed to death, something needs to register as a "fatal blow" to kill them.

>outbullshit the Nasuverse
Impossible, could Sivana defeat Void Ryougi Shiki?

>he still dont explain why hes is stronger than dakrseid or even superman

gil has every weapon in the universe in his vault. If he wanted too he can pull out the lasso of truth,WHITE LANTERN RINGS,NTH METAL,THE SWORD OF SUPERMAN,MOBIUS CHAIR, 1000 KRYPTONITE daggers,ANTI-LIFE AND ANTI-DEATH EQUATIONS,MIRACLE MACHINE,THE SPEAR OF DESTINY,THE WORLOGOG,THE SCARAB,THE COSMIC STAFF and more. these are all he can pull out at any time because someone in the DC had it and because of that he had it.

gil is a op faggot

A FAGGOT I TELL YOU BUT A FAGGOT WITH GREAT POWER.

How about the literal wrath the old testament God? Something that can and will make you cheeses if he found the punishment fit.

Originally. She got properly expanded as a Beast in Grand Order.

Did they ever explain how he managed to get Gae Bolg and shit since those weapons came long after Babylon?

because he had it.

God I fucking hate Gilgamesh so much.

Glad to see, someone realizes that Nasu's writing can be used to fertilize an area the size of Texas.

With just five pages.

Nameless proto Gae Bolg, before Gae bolg was a thing. GoB is kind off slef filling retroactively.

If you wanna go technical, he has all the orginal human bullshit. He specificly states to Karna that he doesn't have VA for example, since it is directly gift from gods. Or excal, because fairies or smth. So he wouldn't have alien shit or likewise

depends on the universe. remember his chains beat divinity no matter what.
he actually had the grill for a time that had all the worlds evil which included hate. He has that too you know

>depends on the universe. remember his chains beat divinity no matter what.
Hercules broke his chains. Took a while but he did it.

How strong would be Billy in the Nasuverse? Considering he has the best powers of Zeus, Salomon, Achilles, Atlas, Heracles, Mercury and !. Thats the combined power of two gods, one titan, and three Heroes.

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Yes, and the answer is even more imbecilic than you could possibly imagine.

>If you hit him with a general purpose magical lightning bolt it will electrocute him but he doesn't lose his durability like he does with kryptonite. Hence why he can take a fuck ton of Billy's magical lightning bolts to the face and keep fighting.
That's called crap writing. Superman isn't invulnerable. He just has really high defense. What is Billy's lightning doing that actual lighting with a strong enough current wouldn't do? How is magic lighting different from normal lightning or magically created lightning?

If it doesn't fucking remove his fucking defenses, he doesn't fucking have a weakness to fucking magic. He does have a weakness to fucking magic, which means him tanking magic lighting is just Superwank.

If I remeber correctly, it was because Herc was techincly dead at that point and didn't count as divine, so snapping the chains wasn't that impressive, him forcing himself back to life once more was.

herc is half god and The strength and durability of the chain grows stronger with the target having higher Divinity anyway.

Cu Chulainn found a time machine and went back in time and Enkidu tricked him into fucking his butthole which pissed Gil off so Gil snuck up behind Cu and slit his throat and took his spear?

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Doesn’t Gil have a spaceship? I distinctly remember him using one.

Its not about what he had when he was alive.

Gil owns the world, and everything on the world. Even the things that came into being after him are still "his", because he never ceded ownership of the Earth and its contents.

popeye.

>Wanting to protect your surrogate daughter so hard you surpass your legend one more time.

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Gil got his shit wrecked by a magic shield that stored someone's true body in an alternate dimension while their avatar continued to battle. Effectively an inter-dimensional barrier blocked any and all damage from his best attacks. Gil can't puncture the boundaries between dimensions with any of his attacks.

The morphing grid is a pocket dimension rangers pass through while morphing. Effectively it temporarily does the exact same shit as that magic shield that wrecked Gil before.

tl;dr Morphing hard counters all of Gil's attacks.

Fate is crap why the fuck do people like this crap?

Vimana? Indian space weaponry from Ramayana and Mahabharata, is generally considered human enough to be in GoB.

>mfw 14's battle on the big bridge is amazing for a joke fight.

This has to be made before Enkidu's trap design was revealed

No, that would have been convoluted and silly, and also kind of awesome, but not so horribly retarded and shoehorned that makes you want to bang your head against the wall.

Or break Nasu's hands

*has to have been

>gil has every weapon in the universe in his vault.
No, he has every weapon from traditional legends on earth in his vault.

And he doesn't know how to properly use most of them even if they're really well made.

i not a weeb so reading this bullshit i know nothing about its fucking strange

It was. I saved a bunch of them from an artist who was guessing at what Enkidu looked like.
I prefer this design more, of course.

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Mana transfer

>Gil got his shit wrecked by a magic shield that stored someone's true body in an alternate dimension while their avatar continued to battle. Effectively an inter-dimensional barrier blocked any and all damage from his best attacks. Gil can't puncture the boundaries between dimensions with any of his attacks.
I would fuckin never understand why EA can punch through reality marbles no prob, but Avalon is invincible, because plot.
Also Gil DID get out from what was specificly a pocket dimension using EA once, it was in Prisma though.

I ask myself the same question.

I think it's the waifus.

i love how Yea Forums is so fucking stupid even tho they are given the answer of how to beat it they always go with superfuckboy or man dressed as a bat because its there favorite hero and they must win.

>how to beat gil 101.

magic
>how strong
any lvl of power as long as you cut his connections to magic and destroy his circuits

also how many times did a OP item come to earth and get used. gil has it user

Gil would pull out his own Omnitrix

>Zeus
Don't think I've seen anything on him.
>Salomon
The main antagonist of the first part of the mobile game, so pretty fucking strong just with that.
>Achilles
Has a shield that can block anti-world attacks. Passively immune to attacks that don't him him on the ankle, unless the attacker is divine.
>Atlas
No info that I remember.
>Heracles
11 fucking lives that regenerate over time and gains resistance to whatever kills him.
>Mercury
No info.

Pretty strong.

Weebs please. Cease your incessant prattle.

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Avalon is not a reality marble.

Would unironically enjoy Hulk going toe to toe with Heracles

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Of course it does, Gilgamesh and Enkidu are suppose to be opposites, Gil is regal king form a city and Enkidu a man from the wilderness.

They are suppose to represent an era where living on a city or living in the wild where clashing ideologies.

I know it isn't. I meant that, outside of plot, why can't EA actually hit through it, since it has no problem ripping RMs apart, and they are, effectively, pocket dimensions. Hell, even if it can't reach for main body, why can't it kill the avatar, since it pretty much anti-anything anyway.

>The holly grail war starts
>Some powerful game fucks up the ritual and summons Billy
>Since he technically counts as the entire poll of heroes nobody else gets their servants.
>Thats a big no-no
> The rest of the war is Billy vs other 6 rulers trying to nerf him.

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>why can't EA actually hit through it
Because Avalon is "ultimate defense". That's the power.
Ea also struggles to rip through a projected, weak and inferior version of Rho Aias in a fast enough time to stop Shirou from casting UBW.
Ea's power isn't "literally disintegrate everything forever", and even if it was, the amount of output it would take to get to that level isn't present in Gilgamesh during F/SN.

Now if it was Gilgamesh from Mooncell/Fate/Extraverse his Ea is probably far stronger but still likely wouldn't be able to punch through Avalon, as Avalon is designed specifically to withstand the end of time.

Someone say Solomon?

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Reality marbles aren't true pocket dimensions (separate spacetimes). It's more like a space where the laws of physics differ that has a giant magic shield around it to keep the normal laws of physics from crashing down. In theory, if Gaia wasn't actively trying to destroy all reality marbles or the reality marble's creator was strong enough you could literally lose the barrier and walk into and out of the marble just like you can freely enter and leave ORT's domain in South America as long as you don't die, which you probably would.

He’s a jobber and he’s hilarious when he jobs. He spends most of his premiere story thinking he’s “tamed” the Zoroastrian Devil, but in reality, said Angra Mainyu is just using him and casually eats Gil in two of the game’s routes when he ceases to be helpful in its plans

Alien weapon. He can't.

Lol, deathcurse.

Shut the fuck up, Jewish Ultron

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Fate Enkidu is lke Clayface who took the shape of the temple prostitute who civilized him

Gil now is at the mercy of STARDUST the Space Wizard.
If he is smart he will kill himself with his biggest weapon before Stardust can get near him. That if if Stardust dosen't decide to revive him just so he can punish him.

The better question now is, if there even is a single Yea Forums character that could defeat Stardust.

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>took the shape of the temple prostitute who civilized him
So is not gay to have sex with him/her?

Also temple prostitute? isn't that an oxymoron?

Gil can’t compete with Ben

Could Gilgamesh beat Giorno with GER

>If all else fails, King Hassan can kill Kirby.
>Kirby eats Hassan with maximum suck
>Hassan is stuck in his pocket dimension stomach where his magic supply eventually runs out and he dies
>Hassan can't even fucking attack Kirby there because he's floating in an endless void where he can't make contact with him
>Hassan can't even fucking sneak attack to avoid this outcome like a normal assassin because he has a debuff such that his target always knows he's coming

This was before the "sex is bad" craze caught on in religion.

I don't give a fuck about Gilgamesh just let me summon Emiya and have him cook for me.

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I don't remeber, does GER have a set max speed? If yes and it is higher than Gil's reaction time and\or movement, than no. If it has a "whatever" as speed, than Gill is still fucked. There maybe a double kill fuckery involved if Gill pulls out proto-fragarach, but that's in the air.

Thanks, that actually helped

Mercury Snek could pull it off.

>Alien weapon. Can’t.
Ben made another one as a human on earth (For Ken) and another improved version for himself (biomnitrix).

Gil can pull one out.

Who the fuck is that twink OP?

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This is the best answer.

That would be like the 5th or 7th time Ben had to fight somebody with another Omnitrix.

Yeah, if anything it worsens Gil’s chance, Ben tricks the dude into being Walkatrout and just finishes him off

What is Mercury Snek?

But those copies were legacies of alien tech. They wouldn't owe legacy to anything of Gil's which means he wouldn't be able to pull out the original.

I really hate Yea Forums raids on Yea Forums.
When Yea Forums massive raids on Yea Forums?

Its Null Anything ability operates via causality rather than range or speed. The only things it cant null are things that dont effect Giorno in any way

The original twink, Gilgamesh.

>Fighting stardust
Poor Gil
youtube.com/watch?v=3edITCVbURo

This is technically a /jp/ raid.

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Mercurius from Shinza. As a Hadou God, he's one of the few things that outcapes capeshit.

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Fraga also operates via casuality as preemptive strike, as in roll back time before the action was made and strike before it even started. So it should probably make them both perma stuck in a situation, where Gill is unable to act in any capacity due to GER reverting him back to state zero, and Giorno is getting shish kebabed through the heart ad infinitum, because it recognizes any "action" GER would take as an attack and stikes before it "does" it.

Nobody can beat Stardust, he is power levels bullshit before the concept even exited. The same way an author in a manga would introduce a bullshit powerful foe so the hero could look cool defeating him effortlessly, so Stardust works under the logic where he has everything he needs to nullify or out power his opponents weapons, abilities or raw strength.

You have a 1 hit weapon that kills inmortals?, Starudst has a shield for that.
You have thousand of weapons? Stardust has a ray for that.
You are super strong? Stardust is stronger.

People say Superman is too powerful to ever loose, well at least superman has "weaknesses" to give the impression that he could loose, Stardust is beyond weakness.

Nah. He jobs even more than Gil.

>Thinking Batman won't win
The answer is always Batman.

Boom.

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Nobody said Doom yet? That's odd.

>still no Caster Morgan Servant
She will just be another Saberface but still want to complete the collection.

>Could Gilgamesh beat Giorno with GER
If he explicitly knew how his power works or had enough time to try all of his weapons, maybe.

GER's ability is to undo the actions of an opponent. Gae Bolg hard counters the shit out of it though by reversing causality. If GER used its ability to block an attack by Gae Bolg, it'd create an infinite death loop for Giorno of GER continuously trying to reset Gae Bolg only to return Giorno to a state of impending death.

Gae Bolg is disgustingly broken. Literally sets your state to stabbed to death and then causes the spear to thrust in whatever physics defying non-euclidian bullshit way is necessary to make that a reality.

You don’t wanna summon Tommy

Most of Doom's magical defenses are actually loner powers from higher magical entities, especially demons. I would not fucking count on Gil to not have a magic weapon that shreds that shit like butter. Solomon legacy weapons just wreck Doom's ass.

>Hulk
>Ever not jobbing

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Reminder that they all wanted the K

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Too bad it never actually fucking works

Scathach purposely trained Cu wrong...as a joke

Cu raped her twin sister as a joke too

You can dodge it with high enough luck. And I mean luck as in the magical servant passive ability.

Bugs Bunny

Medea's Rule Breaker has gotta be in there somewhere, so yeah.

fpbp why isn't this stuff being moderated right?

Incorrect. He's tanked Zeus lightning from Captain Marvel and several magic attacks. You literally need a sword of cut-all to cut him like Wonder Woman's sword.

Super-speeders (so 80 percent of DC's uppercrust) and magic bullshitters (Dr. Strange, Zatanna, Dr. Fate). Telepaths.

To be fair, Saber has Excalibur, an instance of The Sword of Promised Victory. Its as close to having a written note from God saying "You're going to do just fine, kid" as you can get.

Calling that Luck is technically accurate, but sort of undersells the concept.

Tell me how she's sexy.

You can work around Gae Bolg though, the most straightforward way is getting stabbed to death and then reviving, but you cam also fuck with it other ways.
Like if Giorno turned an inanimate object into a second heart and hooked it up to his cardiovascular system like that string guy in Naruto. One heart would be destroyed by GB but Giorno wouldnt die. He wouldnt even need Requiem for that.
Hell what if he turned Gae Bolg into a butterfly?

Oh no, a giant cosmic monster. Superheroes have never defeated that before.

What the everloving fuck is this convoluted bullshit?

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>Gil has a counter for everything
Even being deleted?

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>Gae Bolg
That shit literally never hit its target in the entire series. You talk about causality nonesense but that lance got stuck in one of Archers magic shields one time, and Saber managed to dodge it in at least one occasion.

You are retarded and don't get the context that the post was being used in reply to.

He has every weapon from HIS universe in his vault. That's a big limitation.

Especially when a green lantern wing beats anything he's got.

Luck is weired in nasuverse, because it isn't how likely it is youhappening to achieve\get\fin\etc something, but how much you can defy fate to perfrom an action that isn't destined to be.

Golden Age Billy moved galaxies.
Galaxies.

And was like silver age Superman explicitly impervious to all physical harm but without any weaknesses.

He'd cold stomp anything in that universe.

>Hell what if he turned Gae Bolg into a butterfly?
He gets stabbed to death by a butterfly. It's a fucking 4 dimensional death curse in the shape of a spear when at rest.

>he most straightforward way is getting stabbed to death and then reviving
It's not like it can only be thrust once

> magic bullshitters (Dr. Strange, Zatanna, Dr. Fate)

I'll be honest, I have no idea where cape comics wizards fall in terms of comparison to casters in Fate. Guys like Doctor Strange clearly operate above the level of modern day Magi and their medicore Magecraft, but the real deal Nasuverse magic is some serious shit that would literally break the marvel or DC settings in an instant.

Fate has a guy who ascended to the root of all magic, and can see every timeline in existence. As a result of a weird feedback loop, this means that timelines now only exist so long as he is looking at them. If he stops paying attention to a timeline, it no longer is included in the multiverse. This is, by the way, why there are a lot of safeguards in place to keep other magic users from ever ascending tot he root of all magic anymore: shit be fucking dangerous once you get in there.

But just imagine that once specific ability in the context of DC or Marvel cosmologies. Every time he blinks, Crises on Infinite Earths happens.

The Flash is such a cheap fucking answer in a Who Would Win conversation. Are there even any characters that aren't either galaxy busters or retardedly specific hardcounters to speedsters that can beat him?

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Horny lonely nerds like bland girls with no personality and the butchering of public domain characters because they think references are smart.

Weebs were a mistake.

>That shit literally never hit its target in the entire series.
That's mainly because of Saber having high luck and Kirei being a dick. Lancer wasn't exactly allowed to not job in canon.

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Akasha and other crazy high-tiers could easily delete him. But they probably wouldn't give enough of a shit to do so.

Demonbane?

>Gil has a counter for everything
Even being deleted?

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wait i thought GER’s power was to set anything to zero the instant the stand perceives it as a threat to itself or giorno. Can’t GER just set “getting stabbed” to 0 so he’s never stabbed?

Doesn't seem pretentious to me

Phage the Untouchable. Anything she touches that is, or ever has been, alive rots in an instant. She even has to wear special clothes just not to be naked all the time, since commonly available materials would crumbled off of her.

And this is as a constant effect, she can't turn it off.

She's dangerous as hell overall, and that includes to the Flash. He makes the mistake of touching her, even punching her, at any kind of superspeed? He dies before he knows he made a mistake.

Fragarach would be a better option, since the sheer act of activating GER would most likely count for its cures to activate and strike preemptively.

Wasn't Zelretch schtick working the other way around? As in if he hardcore focuses or interfes in any timeline, it makes it basicly unchangable?

That actually poses a good question: would he retroactively get shit from other universes if he got transported there?

Admittedly, I'm cheating here. Demonbane's power is to summon retardedly specific hard counters. Default Demonbane just simply isn't one itself.

Reminder that in a race in which Metropolis and Central City were at stake that spanned across the universe silver age Superman stomped Barry.

Superman >>>> Flash

it’s like when you’re in elementary school and you’re arguing with a kid about whether or not your attack hit him.
>haha no it was a hologram
>nah man my speed is infinity+1
>no that was a clone
>yeah except my lifeforce rebuilds itself when i die

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>Gilgamesh
I don't recognize the image, and I know there are a fuckton of characters with that name, so would you kindly elaborate on who you are referring to?
Yeah, a lot. A lot of Yea Forums characters too.

The Old Flesh.

Problem with that is DC's multiverse is explicitly alive, self-created, and defensive with superheroes being its white blood cells, the emotional spectrum being its chakras, and the bleed being its amniotic sac.

The DC multiverse fights back whenever its threatened.

As an example, when COIE caused universes to not exist THEY GOT BETTER and survived in hypertime because nothing erases hypertime.

Captain Carrot's universe explicitly got killed in the first crisis but bounced back because of cartoon physics.

Fate is a combination of man and Lord of Order.

Amythest, who controls her entire universe, is a Lord of Order, as is Kismet who is the DC version of Eternity.

DC magic is busted as fuck.

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>Anything she touches that is, or ever has been, alive rots in an instant
So bash her head in with an aluminium baseball bat? Can't rot metal

Flash's costume is probably some sci-fi suit made from artificial materials that were never alive whatsoever, so unless the power transfers through materials as well (which would make her outfit useless) he can probably beat her to death without a care in the world.

Dr. Strange, Mister Mxyzptlk, Supes Thought Robot, Bugs Bunny, The Mask, Empty Hands, Flash and probs a few more characters.

It's timestamped you double nigger

Alright Fate fag. At any point in the VN do the servants feel hot or cold?

Better question is whether there is anyone Gilgamesh won't job to?

Lio is the best villain Nasu ever created.
Fateshit is shit.

So, this is one of the major antagonists from a popular japanese franchise called Fate/Stay Night. It started off as what is known as a Visual Novel, essentially the same formula as a choose your own adventure book but in a video game format so that you have pictures, some animated cutscenes, voice acting, background music, etc.

Fate's story is kind of convoluted in that when you get to the end of the first route of the game, you unlock a new playthrough that is all of the same characters and the same setup, but diverges into a completely different story after the first couple ingame days, focusing on different characters than the first route and revealing new information while going a different direction with the narrative entirely. And then this all happens again with a third route.

So every character in the game has basically three different interpretations of them at once, same starting character viewed through the lens of three different stories.

The basic setup being a bunch of mages summoning heroes from legend and history to fight each other over a wish granting machine that is powered by the spirits that die in the battle royal, and the idiot sword autist that gets caught up in said conflict.

This all gets further complicated by the fact that said VN proved to be popular enough that there is a tremendous amount of spinoff material now (of various levels of quality) adding to and convoluting the mythos.

Flash vs Gilgamesh who jobs the most?

Now this is just sad.
Take your pills and get off the computer boy.

I have no fucking clue what Gilgamesh really is, but if he's a god I could see him taking Kratos seriously long enough to insta-kill him. Kratos looks intimidating as all hell and is a known pantheon killer.

could anyone from Yea Forums defeat him?

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Easy top of the head answer.
I love to fuck with Accel, Demonbane and Gilfags with this answer because its true.

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Don't fuck with DC magic.

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He wouldn't job to the prince of all jobbers

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Who is this? The kid Mar-Vell from Universe X?

Depends. Is he at full power here?

Some guy talking to himself.
His autism is off the charts.

Protege

Gilgamesh is 2/3rds god (don't think about the math, ancient Sumeria had SOME IDEAS about parentage), is the oldest legend in the world, and is the first King of the Earth who by right has ownership of everything on it.

Beast boy.

Gil is like 2/3rds god or something, but he hates the gods as well since they took his bff Enkidu away to punish him.

anyone with a comfortable enough pair of boobs

Excellent summary of this thread.
Personally I enjoy the mediocrity he boasts of.

He's so clueless.

The more I hear about this stupid fucking show the more convoluted it gets. We're getting to J.K Rowling twitter feed levels of retardation.

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>putting Primate Murder against a guy who's common forms include primates and other similar things
This will end well.

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The best knight JETS

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now, is fairness, that part comes straight outta ancient sumeria

But that's because you're a moron.

>Can’t GER just set “getting stabbed” to 0 so he’s never stabbed?
Think of Gae Bolg as
while (stabbed to death==0)
{getting stabbed=1;}

And GER as
stabbed to death=0;

So if you combine the two
while(stabbed to death==0)
{stabbed to death =1;
stabbed to death=0;}
you just get an infinite death loop.The problem with setting "getting stabbed" to 0 is the "curse" works by literally reversing causality. The effect triggers the cause. If you erase the cause, a different one will take its place because the effect has already happened as far as causality is concerned. You are getting stabbed because you are not stabbed. For as long as you are not stabbed, Gae Bolg will try to stab you until you are stabbed.

Once the attack is called out, you are cursed to be stabbed to death and the only way to avoid it is to overturn destiny itself. By the way, it is very much a death curse. As far as destiny is concerned, you are already dead. It's just a matter of getting you there.

That's not to say you couldn't come back to life after being killed, but the magic doesn't let up until you either die or overturn fate.

Beast boy just so happens to get the abilities of animal whatever he transforms into. He's also has done mythical creatures before.

To be fair, what happened to Enkidu was some real bullshit.

> Gilgamesh gets approached by a horny Ishtar
> Gil turns her down, because bad things happen to all of her lovers
> spurned and spiteful, Ishtar goes home and threatens to unleash the zombie apocalypse on the Earth unless her bad lets her send the Bull of Heaven, a beats of the end times, to kick Gilgamesh's ass
> Daddy lets her take the Bull of Heaven
> Gilgamesh and Enkidu fucking tag-team cage match the Bull of Heaven and kill it, and then do a jump high-five over the body
> Ishtar, angry as fuck, wants to punish Gilgamesh for killing the Bull of Heaven since it was a divine beast and was important
> Gilgamesh's goddess mom argues on his behalf
> Law and Order: Babylon happens, and the end result is that Gilgeamsh, being more than half god, gets to do that kind of shit because he's a cool guy.
> But Enkidu, Gilgamesh's bro4lyfe, is just some guy. So he gets punished instead and is cursed by the gods to die of leprosy and goes to a shitty afterlife and Gilgamesh can't stop it

Anyway you look at it, Enkidu did nothing wrong and just got fucked over because Gilgamesh is above the law and they wanted to put the screws to SOMEBODY.

>getting stabbed=1;
That should say stabbed to death=1;

So what if you aren't hit by it? Or have a nigga body block it?

Speaking of Ishtar, it will never not be funny to me that the perfect matching vessel for that slutty fertility goddess was Rin.

youtube.com/watch?v=GTaQXbpqJpg

This, basically.

Primate Murder isn't an actual animal though. It's some weird cosmic monstrosity tailored towards killing all mankind that's only 'normal' because it's been heavily depowered.

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This guy could do it

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At this point he's just spamming

Not really an answer. Saber chose to deflect the blow instead of moving slightly to the left.

that didn't kill her

>So what if you aren't hit by it?
You can't not be hit by it because you will be hit by it. Keep in mind the physical attack is only happening because it kills you in the future (reversed causality). If you attempt to dodge or block without overturning fate, it will just say fuck physics and the spear will move through higher dimensional space to stab you to death no matter how you try to defend against it or avoid it
>Or have a nigga body block it?
They either get stabbed too or it goes around them.

Gae Bolg is a very literal case of pic related.

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You seriously expect me to read all that shit

>that didn't kill her
Because she had B luck. And she still got stabbed the shit out of. C luck or below and it's a guaranteed kill.

But in that video it showed the weapon being deflected enough to not be fatal.

How can you predict the luck of a non-Fate character? You can't just immediately assume it's shit.

>But in that video it showed the weapon being deflected enough to not be fatal.
Special case, see
You literally have to have the magical power to overturn destiny to avoid it.

A non-Fate character can be assumed to have sub E luck unless they have a specific feat where they explicitly prevented something that was predestined to happen.

King Hassan "killed" Tiamat, but they do point out in the epilogue that it's not gone for good. The Beasts are tied to humanity in a way that they'll keep popping back up one way or another until humanity kills them conceptually. Like Goetia is the sin of pity. In order for him to die for real, humanity has to reject his pity and force Goetia to acknowledge that humanity isn't helpless. Since the pity monster has no reason to exist if he's not pitying anything, he just stops coming back.

>unless they have a specific feat where they explicitly prevented something that was predestined to happen
So pretty much all speedsters?

>hey gil, remember when you became an anime character.
>Herd, I think you're just making things up now...

>So pretty much all speedsters?
No. Changing future in the past isn't the same thing as changing the future in the present. As an example. Shirou changes the future in the future past all the fucking time, but he has E rank luck as a servant.

You have to literally tell destiny to fuck off.

Still an animal my dude.

Nah.

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Any speedster.

>fate
>not pretentious garbage
you've been huffing Yea Forums fumes for too long

Most protagonists can be assumed to have above average Luck. If you have saved the world more than once, you probably have AT LEAST a C, and maybe a B. But even B is some heavy stuff, Saber only gets to a B by have literal, verifiable Divine Right backing her up.

A-rank Luck is real bullshit, like full on TTGL "fight the power" tier of telling destiny to go fuck itself. Almost no one has A Rank luck.

That's just BS. Arthur never did anything of the sort in his legend and you can't even tell if destiny exists. If you assume it does, anything a speedster does with time is rewriting it.

Captain Marvel channels the will of two gods. That's got to count for something.

Correct. Arthur doesn't have B rank Luck because of his legend, he has it because its a buff from Excalibur, as it is an incarnation of the Sword of Promised Victory. Its pretty much just something Nasu stapled onto the character as a way to include an early game example of a conceptual weapon to introduce how those worked to the reader.

>Arthur never did anything of the sort in his legend
Avoided death in Avalon

>and you can't even tell if destiny exists.
That sounds like a personal problem

>If you assume it does, anything a speedster does with time is rewriting it.
You're assuming destiny only works within a timeline and not across timelines.

Just how many exceptions is that nigga going to throw?

Modern-day mages in Typemoon are more or less on Constantine's level, minus the bullshit.

Her luck changes depending on master; with Rin it goes up to an A

>If you have saved the world more than once, you probably have AT LEAST a C, and maybe a B
It is literally Archer's job to save the world and his luck is fucking E. Frankly, saving the world is a good indicator of having shit luck, because you probably saved the world because you were destined too.

>It is literally Archer's job to save the world and his luck is fucking E

Archer is bound to serve the counter force and cannot escape it by any means. He is a tool, a weapon. He wants to stop being a counter guardian so badly that he is willing to try killing his younger self in another timeline in the hopes that, just maybe, it will paradox himself out of existence. Even though he knows it probably won't work that way.

If Luck in Fate is a measurement of your ability to forge your own path, the only reason Archer's Luck isn't any lower is because E is as low as the scale goes.

If destiny is real then how do you know that what someone did to "rewrite it" wasn't actually what was written all along?

Archer's case seems like a bad example because of his status as a guardian. Or you could argue that their luck stat is lowered by an element of tragedy in their legends, which practically all classic heroes have.
Thesseus got his father killed.
Achilles got killed in his one vulnerable spot.
So did Siegfried.
Maybe Beowulf? I never read how his original story ends.

goddamn, i loathe the "nasuverse" so fucking much just because weebs assume it is some deeply interconnect "lore".
nasu makes up that shit as he goes along, creating a fucking mess. it has been this way from the start and no amount of material notes & extended interviews will make the nasuverse any more concrete. its primary fucking focus is not on the ideas it is trying to push across, but the characters as a marketing tool.

there are close to no nasuverse characters who can come fucking close to superman, just because he has fucking surpassed metafictional limits & is infused with fucking morrison magic. these are chracters written to win, a fundamentally different aspect than sword aids man destroying demigods

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>Maybe Beowulf? I never read how his original story ends.

A dragon attacks his kingdom after being stolen from. Beowulf slays it but is fatally wounded in the process.

Didn't he meet the same fate predicted by Merlin?

Dies in battle against a dragon, but he had a pretty sweet fifty year reign as king before that with no major fuck ups.

>If destiny is real then how do you know that what someone did to "rewrite it" wasn't actually what was written all along?
Basically you need a prophecy and you need that character to tell that prophecy to go eat a dick.

Spider-Man would be an example of A if not EX class luck. His superpower is literally telling destiny to go eat a dick. He gets a prophetic warning from the Web of Life and Destiny in the form of his spider-sense and he avoids said future. Gae Bolg's death curse would basically not work on him.

Also, if this isn't a clear difference between Nasu luck and actual luck, I don't know what is. Parker luck is fucking awful.

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Merlin predicted she'd be mortally wounded in battle. She was wounded, but in the end it wasn't mortal because of asspulls.

Trying to come up with another one.
Perseus saved his waifu and flew into the sunset with Pegasus, there's no tragedy in his legend. And with all the crazy shit he pulled his luck should be through the roof. Not to mention Athena herself backs him.

Nuh huh, so does Batman, plus plotarmor.

So they both just kind of preen at each other for a while until they either get bored and leave, or becomme pseudo-friends like Gil is with Ozymandias?

It is literally his 13 year old selves fanfic

>Silver Age
Well yeah, he has as many powers as the author wants to give him, so obviously he'd be able to go faster.

>get fucked Yea Forumsfag
This post didn't age well.

>Dodge it by being lucky
Gae Bolg is overrated

>Every Fate character has some degree of luck
>"No bro its totally the ability to change fate or some shit not just a luck stat"
Yeah...

Nasuverse is
>What if I had these ancient heroes classed in one of those autistic anime classification systems like what Worm and MMORPGs use and then had them fight?
>What if I made several heroes into cute girls?
Don't you literally power up girl Arthur by fucking her? Nasuverse is about as intelligent as wrestling.

Speaking of autistic 16 year olds with sword fetishes, if Shirou bought, like, a stray batarang online or someething, one of the ones that is just a bat-shaped shuriken instead of being filled with science, could he use his bullshit structural grasp and projection to both deduce that Bruce Wayne is Batman and learn how to copy his moves?

If yes, would he use that to demand Batman make him the newest Robin?

Superman "lol noped" the end of infinity with a miracle machine.

How does that stack up on the luck chart?

>nasu makes up that shit as he goes along, creating a fucking mess
>there are close to no nasuverse characters who can come fucking close to superman, just because he has fucking surpassed metafictional limits & is infused with fucking morrison magic
the ironing is delicious

>Which they will, unless you can survive the literal author of the story crossing your name out of the book.
I'm pretty sure several DC characters have accomplished this

To be fair, their original version was a VN or actual game idea with a more accurate portrayal with a male Arthur and different story and servants.
But they realized no one will buy it if it doesn't have tits and sex, so swapped some genders around and made it so you can transfer mana to servants by fucking them.
And now here we are years later, and Fate is a ridiculously huge franchise that makes millions.

Doom Patrol is explicitly immune to this which is why they were such a problem to RetCon in Milk Wars.

Animal Man was immune.

Superman has a degree of meta-immunity by being the superhero closest to Awl, god of superheroes (yes really) which meant he couldn't be be retconed by RetCon into a 50's slave like Wonder Woman and Batman were. They had to create their own Superman in the form of Milkman.

>A non-Fate character can be assumed to have sub E luck unless they have a specific feat where they explicitly prevented something that was predestined to happen.
but Giorno does have this so

Name me ONE Fate character that could tank pic related.

Just ONE.

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>Milkman
Tell me more

Honestly Sivana could probably make some anti-Gilgamesh weapon such that, when Gilgamesh pulls out the prototype it's just even better at hurting Gilgamesh, like how Sarda had spells that specifically just hurt Black Mage.

Shirou's powers work in a way where as long as he's holding onto a weapon, he can access the 'memory' of it, and use a degraded version of its original owner's techniques.

So if he holds onto that Batarang, he should be able to be knockoff Batman.

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He's an artificial Superman created by multiverse organization Retconn as part of their plan to reboot Earth Prime into a nifty 50's version of itself. He's the son of Casey Brinke who is a fictional (but living) character created by living ambulance (and transexual amusement park pocket dimension) Dannyworld.

He has severe identity issues.

He can only copy stuff made by humans right? Like Excalibur was made by fairies and Ea by gods, and also I'm pretty sure while he can intimately understand the structure of complex objects, when he tries to copy anything with moving parts/needs some kind of fuel source it won't work?

His name is Milkman Man, actually,

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Yep. Guns don't work. It's like the T-1000. Simple objects and nothing freaky like Ea.

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More like he can't copy stuff that are made by a method beyond human understanding, like things made by fairies and gods.

Can any Nasuverse character defeat Milkman Man?

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Well, I've never watched fate, but this thread makes it sound like powerwankery galore.

So he couldn't copy the Lasso of Truth or a Green Lantenr Ring, probably not Mjolnir either. I'm honestly having a hard time thinking of what the best thing Shirou could trace in Marvel or DC, like is Katana's Soultaker Sword the best he can aim for?

too many to count desu.

This is why A is trash

It's a franchise about anime versions of historical figures fighting each other. I'm not sure if you'd want it any other way.

It's essentially a clash of mythical titans, and those are dickwaving contests by default.

He could probably make anything out of Vibranium.

Our worst villain

>Salomon
Just with that Billy is the strongest. Solomon was omnipotent alive and as a great caster, even though he is weaker compared to him alive, he's still the strongest caster. He won the fifth war without a problem.

Fate works with counters. Even if you are too OP, if you have a counter, you can lose. Gil for example counters Arcuied too hard and he may stand a chance against Type earth using Ea.

Solomon, Akasha, Zelretch, Tiamat, etc.

Seems oerfect given the comments in this thread

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>Akasha and other crazy high-tiers could easily delete him.
Unless he's above them. Billy as Shazam is a magical being and inmune to what would normally affect servants or other heroes. Taking in mind he has the power of Solomon, and Goetia Solomon was about to wipe out humanity and change the entire world without the time locks even affecting him, Billy could fuck the CF and the world.

>Billy
>being "above" Akasha
Unless Billy turned into a literal Outer God when I wasn't looking, then no.

I remember this guy kind of being a chump in the original visual novel, once you broke his facade of confidence.
Herc always seemed like a more serious threat to me.

The Root ain't shit for Billy. Just let him use the Clarivoyance EX of Solomon and back up from God. Something that made Solomon omnipotent when he was alive.

>that the perfect matching vessel for that slutty fertility goddess was Rin.
It comes to personality, relationship with the grail and vanity, because Ishtar wanted a cute vessel.

Now that I think about it, Ben is like gilgamesh but saner and as a Hero

I specifically remember Hercules shattering it though.

>Implying they could survive muscle mastery channeled through the Red and a transexual amusement park powerful enough to reverse the deletion of the multiverse

Dream on. They get DOBSON'ED along with the rest of the Nasuverse.

Not even Solomon can fuck with the Root itself. The only reason why everything in the Nasuverse even happens is because Akasha/Void gives precisely zero shits.

If it really so wanted, it could erase Billy instantly and replace him with a near-identical version of himself but this one has a slightly different shirt and went through puberty earlier.

>superior Yea Forums one
not even close

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It's weird how he gets beat fair and square by what is honestly not the most overpowered circumstances the Fate universe has to offer (avalon) yet future appearances of the character insist he's way more powerful than things that likely trump avalon. Did Nasu regret having him lose or something?

Solomon could survive it, Akasha would literally ignore it (as it does most everything else), Zelretch would sip some champagne and return his attention to more interesting things, Tiamat would just pull an Azathoth, etc.

Aren't there hard counters to magic in DC?

truly the gurren lagann of comics

>Not even Solomon can fuck with the Root itself. The only reason why everything in the Nasuverse even happens is because Akasha/Void gives precisely zero shits.
I ain't so sure. Akasha/Void work with the things from the Nasuverse, but Billy technically doesn't belong to that universe and if he is using the power of omnipotent Solomon he could take The Root. If Aoko was right about God being outside The Root or the Root being his representation of his throne, by divine command he could do it.

God is pretty mysterious in Fate, he knew things that not even Solomon could see with with Clarivoyance EX, and thanks to him the human order was saved from Goetia.

But Messiah tier are always broken. Buddha was ruler of 3000 universe and more in CCC.

No, they would all die screaming as metamagic tears them to shreds and then inflated superbeings dab on them.

They aren't surviving something that even the Presence and Endless weren't immune to.

It's like how Goku gets his ass kicked all the time in his own series but weebs wank him to high heaven.

Weebs are stupid people. It's why people mock them all the time.

Magic. Magic must defeat magic.

Any character that looks like chup bet is secretly strong can kick his sorry little ass once he starts jobbing.

Solomon isn't omnipotent. He's by far the most bullshit Servant (excluding Beasts and other special cases) we've gotten to see this far, but he's not all powerful.

And Akasha only really interacts with reality because it's bored and likes to see what its facets are up to sometimes.

The ignorant irony in this post is almost palpable.

Me.

>Solomon isn't omnipotent.
Solomon when he was alive was omnipotent, it's mentioned in the last part of the temple of time. Grand Caster (servant) Solomon is too OP but not omnipotent.
>And Akasha only really interacts with reality because it's bored and likes to see what its facets are up to sometimes.
And Billy is our favorite galaxy buster.

>It's like how Goku gets his ass kicked all the time in his own series but weebs wank him to high heaven.
Watching Super it was odd how often Goku genuinely failed to defeat the current top dog.
Couldn't do it when it was Beerus.
Couldn't do it when it was Hit.
Couldn't do it when it was Zamasu (even fused).
Couldn't do it when it was Jirene (needed serious help and failed to even win with the heavily promoted new form).
Only guy he really beat when he was current was Golden Frieza. And even then Beerus and Whis were breathing over his shoulder and established to be stronger than Golden Frieza.

Explain how he's wrong then. Because as surreal and goofy as it is what Doom Patrol pulled off was miles above anything in the Nasuverse.

>Solomon when he was alive was omnipotent, it's mentioned in the last part of the temple of time.
Huh. How odd.

>And Billy is our favorite galaxy buster.
If the Lostbelt arc is anything to believe, the Alien God is also capable of fucking with galaxies to some degree. And given how the other Outer Gods really don't like the thing, it's probably a lot worse than that.

He did shatter it in the end, but not before he got killed 11 times.

Fate/Zero made him VERY popular. Women everywhere wanted him to either call them mongrels and screw their brains out, or watch him call other dudes mongrels, and then screw those guy's brains out.

>Huh. How odd.
Yeah. It's mentioned IIRC after Romani saves you from Goetia by using the real Ars Nova.
>alien god
The Alien God is a really weird thing. Saved the Crypters but unlike the TYPES that act like creatures that impose their will and power, the Alien God offers them a deal. The Outer Gods, for example Nyarly using BB as a vessel mentioned during the last summer event that the fight against the Alien God is pointless and you're doomed to fail. He also took the fantasy three and revived pruned worlds without an issue.

Ashiya Douman implies the alien God could be Satan but also jokes about it, before mentioning his real name, which was censored for some reason.

fantasy tree*

This, The DC multiverse itself would defeat Gilgamesh

I just feel like it's a little late to power wank him when he's already met his limit way before Fate power wank even got that absurd. Scathach and Archer Hercules are supposed to be way more insane than Artoria with Avalon.
It just makes him look like even more of a jobber and makes it seem like his feats don't actually matter.

>Uggo monkey lips
I think not

>He doesn't know about the epic of Gilgamesh

>Archer Hercules
Funny enough, he is not the strongest Archer. The strongest Archer would be either Rama Archer or Hou Yi.

Fate was supposed to end in 2005, so scaling naturally got out of control. Fate/Hollow Ataraxia was literally a final farewell to all these fun characters you met, with a message that it's okay, and it's time to move on to something better. But then the 2006 anime happened, and then the Fate/Zero Light Novels, some ports to the PS2, more games, movies, and then a decade and a half later a mobile game's become a multi-billion dollar pillar in Sony's revenue.

At that point you're expanding the narrative, while trying to keep the old and popular characters relevant.

I deliberately didn't pick the absolute strongest, just very powerful servants that should at least be in Gil's ballpark.

Stay night is mostly time with the powerlevels, the spin-offs are the one that get crazy about it
Stay night and Hollow ataraxia are the only worth reading

I mean, it’s not really that hard. He literally has a copy of every weapon in existence, and he never takes anything seriously.

>Not loving Vampilee

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>and he never takes anything seriously.
Not really true in the last leg of his fight in the original LN.

It's a cool thing that this exists.

youtu.be/2ry0dtZq1eA

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>i'd rather fuck him
This, he is excessively sexy.

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>them bewbs
I want to motorboat the giant sexy dragon lady.

>primordial conceptual sea from which all life stemmed
So she's the first and ultimate milf

>And here, we observe the natural behavior, of the autistic, FSN obsessed, weeb. Where he doggedly pursues, senseless diatribes, about why his favorite character, can beat up, any other character, no matter what. Rants that no one reads, or cares about. It does this, whenever it finds itself, out of its natural environment, Yea Forums.

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Does Gil still need to breath?

>Not posting the superior Yea Forums one
But that's not Civilization 6 Gilgamesh I'm seeing

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>fpbp why isn't this stuff being moderated right?
They're too busy deleting stonetoss threads for no justifiable reason.

Essentially. She's actually rather pleasant outside of the whole "being a Beast" thing.

Of course it does, this is a vs thread. Its inherently an exercise in powerwank.

What makes Fate worth watching, aside from some pretty cool fights, is neat re-interpretations of mythological figures bouncing off of each other and some strong themes about what it means to be a hero and whether or not humanity is better off with or without them. Or, in Fate/Zero, what it means to be King.

But the fact of the matter is that the characters are so enjoyable that there are multiple Fate spinoffs that don't even include fights. People love these characters enough that there is literally a Fate/Stay Night fucking COOKING SHOW, where these anime characters just hang out and cook meals and you are given the recipe.

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The whole "being a Beast" thing makes her hot though. Screw her vanilla as fuck human rope bunny form, I'm here for that dragonoid ass.

I'm of the opinion that most of the Fate spinoffs are trash. Fate/Stay Night was good. Fate Zero was good. But the further you get away from the original story, the more fucked the spinoff becomes.

Apocrypha, for example, was awful. It introduced a couple of characters or ideas that I liked, but overall it was a slog to get through.

>What makes Fate worth watching,
I stopped reading right there.
Fate is irredeemable and certainly not worth wasting a second of your time.

>. It introduced a couple of characters or ideas that I liked, but overall it was a slog to get through.
Fate and anything related to it in a nutshell

>What makes Fate worth watching, aside from some pretty cool fights, is neat re-interpretations of mythological figures
Nigga they just change random dudes into waifu bait. You can not convince me that turning Jack the fucking Ripper into a thong wearing preteen with thick goddamn thighs is an interesting re-interpretation.

I love Jubilee, but no.

>Nigga they just change random dudes into waifu bait
Everything Fate is not waifu trash, kinda...
I have different tastes but for the most part, Nasu-universe or whatever it's called simply hurts my brain.

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It has nothing to do with his Grand title or his power. Helping you is directly against the rules for Grands, so he throws away the title. His sword swing is just a sword swing.

There are literally hundreds of Servants at this point. Maybe five of them are genderflipped.

Comics and cape cartoons are crap and we like those, not sure as to the "why"

I never said fate wasn't pretentious I said an immortal dragon doesn't seem pretentious