Moon Knight in the MCU. Yay or nay?
Moon Knight in the MCU. Yay or nay?
Kevin Anderson
Brody Hughes
Would he cut off Bushman's face?
Henry Lopez
Yay, AND played by Ben Affleck.
The man deserves one good superhero movie. I mean, after Daredevil.....
Gavin Peterson
I would love a moon knight movie. as long as he cuts off Bushman's face in it
Justin Rivera
Daredevil is screwed man. All the characters who were in the Netflix shows are in a weird spot because of cancellation and the announcement of Disney+. They are not canon to the mcu while their own verse got ended.
I’m actually hella curious how Feige is going to go about it.
Cooper Barnes
What comic edit is this from?
Anthony Johnson
No user, I'm talking about the OTHER one.
You know, the one with Ben Affleck.
Easton Robinson
Yay but into a series.
Carter Gray
Secret Avengers 16
Jonathan Williams
Don’t litter threads with trash please.
Andrew Harris
Hard yes and M. Night Shamallama to direct.
Blake Brooks
Only issue is which route do you go?
Moench? Huston? Hurwitz (which seems strangely appropriate for presenting a pg13 version)? Bendis? Ellis? Lemiere? And because I can't help myself, I'm going to post some issues.
Michael Cruz
Tyler Torres
Jayden Wright
William Allen
Luis Scott
Nathan Evans
Hunter Miller
Owen Brooks
Christian Baker
David Bell
Gabriel Edwards
Easton Smith
Ethan James
Definitely not Bendis. His whole run was a marketing scheme to get more fans to read Moon Knight and sadly it worked.
Oliver Myers
Yeah. but he is genderbended raceswapped.
Luis Murphy
Easton Cruz
Noah Carter
Anthony Carter
Christopher Scott
Caleb Allen
Kevin Cruz
Adrian Rogers
Dominic Cruz
Sebastian Peterson
Jason Thomas
Jaxson Wright
Luke Miller
Samuel Adams
Aaron James
Jose Robinson
Brandon Adams
Carter Hall
Charles Ortiz
Compared to this first issue.
Jackson Ortiz
Brayden Mitchell
Levi Rodriguez
Wyatt Long
Colton Lee
Aaron Collins
Carter Ortiz
Jeremiah Cox
Josiah Price
Do street level heroes have a place in the MCU at this point? The stakes are so high that introducing someone who isn't up to fighting an intergalactic threat seems like it would be tonal whiplash.
Austin Johnson
Ryan Turner
Owen Thompson
Ryder Brooks
Liam Parker
Leo Sanchez
Cameron Baker
Easton Roberts
Brayden Collins
John Hernandez
Jordan Allen
>Definitely not Bendis. His whole run was a marketing scheme to get more fans to read Moon Knight and sadly it worked.
What the hell bullshit are you talking about?
Huston/Finch era sales:
#1: 103,671
#2: 75,305
#10: 56,716
#11: 58,277
#12: 47,506
Bendis sales:
05/11 #1 - 49,018 (+167.6%)
06/11 #2 - 35,333 ( -27.9%)
07/11 #3 - 33,781 ( -4.4%)
08/11 #4 - 30,237 ( -10.5%)
09/11 #5 - 28,423 ( -6.0%)
10/11 #6 - 27,493 ( -3.3%)
11/11 #7 - 27,062 ( -1.6%)
12/11 #8 - 24,626 ( -9.0%)
01/12 #9 - 22,872 ( -7.1%)
02/12 #10 - 21,986 ( -3.9%)
03/12 #11 - 21,581 ( -1.8%)
04/12 #12 - 21,185 ( -1.8%)
Carson Russell
Andrew Cruz
>people unironically think that dialogue is funny
yeah cutting off peoples faces is hilarious, is the writer going for "super heroes are insane fascists" angle?
Austin Ward
Is Wolverine really taller than Marc? Is Moon Knight like 4'?
Mason Thomas
As someone who rarely read Moon Knight, what is the Mr. Knight thing? How is it different to Moon Knight other than costume of course.
Luke Perez
Dominic Gray
It’s a photoshopped edit on how MK has a hard time fitting in the MCU you autist.
Chase Hall
>Meme Knight
Isn't this the character that Marvelfags live because he is le crazy XD and le violent XD and shit?
Adrian Lopez
i didnt see the first balloon
Joseph Clark
The only thing Bendis did better than was the Vengeance of the Moon Knight series that came before him:
09/09 Moon Knight #1 - 35,706 (+81.3%)
10/09 Moon Knight #2 - 26,493 (-25.8%)
11/09 Moon Knight #3 - 23,359 (-11.8%)
12/09 Moon Knight #4 - 21,482 ( -8.0%)
01/10 ---
02/10 Moon Knight #5 - 19,733 ( -8.1%)
03/10 Moon Knight #6 - 19,094 ( -3.2%)
04/10 Moon Knight #7 - 20,718 ( +8.5%)
05/10 Moon Knight #8 - 20,597 ( -0.6%)
06/10 Moon Knight #9 - 18,695 ( -9.2%)
07/10 Moon Knight #10 - 19,143 ( +2.4%)
Ellis (and later Brian Wood's) run did better than Bendis':
03/14 Moon Knight v5 #1 - 58,022 ( --- ) [7,266]
04/14 Moon Knight v5 #2 - 40,885 (-29.5%) [3,621]
05/14 Moon Knight v5 #3 - 42,607 ( 4.2%)
06/14 Moon Knight v5 #4 - 40,348 ( -5.3%)
07/14 Moon Knight v5 #5 - 38,630 ( -4.3%)
08/14 Moon Knight v5 #6 - 37,646 ( -2.5%)
09/14 Moon Knight v5 #7 - 35,630 ( -5.4%)
10/14 Moon Knight v5 #8 - 32,434 ( -9.0%)
11/14 Moon Knight v5 #9 - 28,739 (-11.4%)
12/14 Moon Knight v5 #10 - 26,633 ( -7.3%)
01/15 Moon Knight v5 #11 - 24,464 ( -8.1%)
02/15 Moon Knight v5 #12 - 23,486 ( -4.0%)
03/15 Moon Knight v5 #13 - 22,871 ( -2.6%)
Joseph Rodriguez
Moon Knight has no solo series for a long time and you missed all the shit ones in between and Bendis needed a way to bring MK back so he went with retarded Marc’s DID is really these three popular heroes meme to trick people into buying MK and allow MK to be popular again. If Bendis never did that MK would have had 30k issues sold at the start.
Eli Cooper
He was born after it's premiere
Hunter Ortiz
Ellis came after Bendis after MK was already put back into spotligjt by Bendis
Logan Wilson
If Marvel could make a movie about a Jewish Schizophrenic white-hooded wearing Egyptian Moon-God avatar...
I mean there are a lot of cool moments from the comics so many
Henry Carter
Why the hell would you start with this of all things?
Christian Mitchell
>Moon Knight has no solo series for a long time
Completely false. Huston started his run in 2006, that series ended in 2009. Then Vengeance of the Moon Knight was out in 2009-2010. Then Bendis started his run in 2011.
>and you missed all the shit ones in between
Which one? Because the only thing in between Huston (and Mike Benson who took over after him in that same volume) and Bendis' runs was Vengeance of the Moon Knight by Hurwitz. That's not really telling me much because I'm looking at Benson's run and I'm seeing this:
06/08 Moon Knight #19 - 25,820 ( -3.0%)
07/08 Moon Knight #20 - 28,773 (+11.4%)
08/08 Moon Knight #21 - 30,900 ( +7.4%)
09/08 Moon Knight #22 - 26,380 (-14.6%)
10/08 Moon Knight #23 - 25,216 ( -4.4%)
11/08 Moon Knight #24 - 23,947 ( -5.0%)
12/08 Moon Knight #25 - 23,283 ( -2.8%)
01/09 Moon Knight #26 - 21,796 ( -6.4%)
02/09 Moon Knight #27 - 21,413 ( -1.8%)
From looking at this, Benson on later issues of Moon Knight (like the second year in) after Huston left was doing about the same level as Bendis in his first fucking year of Moon Knight.
Ian Sanders
Nay. It'd essentially be Bemis' MK. An out of character quipster who talks like a teenager and with oscar-bait tier surface level looks at mental health.
Grayson Rogers
And those are shit tier numbers. Bendis purposely signed for a 12 issues MK mini series (his own words btw) after the atrocious series before him to “fix” the damage done to MK. However, Bendis didn’t do shit with MK because honestly it wasn’t really his plan. And you what the funniest part is? Despite all this Bendis was still miles better than what Bemis did but that’s another discussion. Bendis run doesn’t matter to MK story but he didn’t rape it either unlike Bemis!
Austin Rogers
Ellis' Moon Knight came about two years after Bendis MK. The irony is that your argument that Bendis' MK did well--that he had no solo series for a long time--was more applicable to Ellis than Bendis, whose MK series was published only seven months after Vengeance.
Look I like Bendis sometimes but it's okay to admit that his Moon Knight was a dud. Hell, people use it in arguments to say his street level stories don't bat a thousand.
John Nelson
Max Bemis admitted that he was trying to resolve his issues as Marc. It wasn’t Marc Spector as Moon Knight it was Max Bemis as Moon Knight. You could really feel the projection of Bemis’s bad childhood. At own one point it was basically wouldn’t be so much better if Marc was a gentile??? Then he wouldn’t get harassed by this Nazi. :(((
At the end it made me feel sorry for Bemis because he had some good ideas but he was obviously dealing with some personal issues.
Nolan Murphy
with all due respect: Why are pre-made conversations posted here? :no offense
Parker Myers
>And those are shit tier numbers.
Yeah, and the point is that's pretty bad considering Bendis is a bigger name than Mike Benson and Bendis hit that same sales level on MK before the first year was over.
Evan Cook
After Bendis shoves him into everything. Honestly I don’t even hate Bendis’s run THAT much. But it was obviously a ploy than anything serious.
Xavier Morris
Lemire's Moon Knight:
04/16- Moon Knight #1 - 65,388
05/16 Moon Knight #2 - 41,147 (-45.7%)
06/16 Moon Knight #3 - 40,752 (- 1.0%)
07/16 Moon Knight #4 - 40,012 (- 1.8%)
08/16 Moon Knight #5 - 37,934 (- 5.2%)
09/16 Moon Knight #6 - 41,884 (+10.4%)
10/16 Moon Knight #7 - 33,866 (-19.1%)
11/16 Moon Knight #8 - 32,562 (- 3.9%)
12/16 Moon Knight #9 - 29,205 (-10.3%)
01/17 Moon Knight #10 - 33,395 (+14.3%)
02/17 Moon Knight #11 - 26,467 (-20.7%)
03/17 Moon Knight #12 - 25,152 (- 5.0%)
04/17 Moon Knight #13 - 24,287 (- 3.4%)
05/17 Moon Knight #14 - 24,283 (- 0.0%)
Surprisingly still did slightly higher than Bendis' run, though close to that level.
Bemis' Moon Knight (he started when Marvel decided to do Legacy Numbering so he started with #188):
#188 - 50,971
#189 - 23,147
#190 - 22,064
#191 - 21,504
#192 - 20,923
#193 - 20,383
#194 - 23,097
#195 - 22,762
#196 - 18,597
#197 - 18,019
#198 - 17,669
#199 - 17,344
#200 - 33,387
Fuck, his run did even worse than Bendis'.
Jayden Gomez
Bemis is just you want to forget it. Bendis run is mediocre as fuck but at least it didn’t rape MK canon and he was coming from already unpopular runs. Bemis came after two very good critically acclaimed runs and messed up so much.
Nicholas Reed
>It wasn’t Marc Spector as Moon Knight it was Max Bemis as Moon Knight
I suspected as much. Really obvious now with the dialogue and pop culture references taken into account.
>At the end it made me feel sorry for Bemis because he had some good ideas.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but which?Nothing in the series really fits with MK and nothing could really cement itself long enough to work due rushed nature of the series.
The best thing out of there was probably the horde/hivemind beast, but even that felt grossly out of place.
Noah Thomas
The idea of giving Marc a more personal archrival who was hospitalized with him and using the sun motif unfortunately the execution was super poor.
Ryder Reyes
Yeah. It was evident from the second issue.
>Have the whole second half of Lemire's run about Marc taking on Knoshu to get up from under his thumb
>Second issue of Bemis' run has Marc acting buddy-buddy with him as if they had always been friends.
Colton Smith
And to be frank I’ll let it mostly go. The most tragic part for me is because of Bemis low sale numbers we won’t have MK comic for some time now.
Jaxon Adams
>The most tragic part for me is because of Bemis low sale numbers we won’t have MK comic for some time now.
If they're planning to use MK in the MCU then I expect them to do a comic (they'd want collected editions out in time for the film). In fact if they start using a character a lot that's a big sign they have plans for them in the movies or TV.
Tyler Lopez
Nah, wouldn't fit. A standalone set in it's own universe ala Joker would be great tho.
Adrian Taylor
I've been reading pic related and old school Moon Knight was spitting out 1 to 3 quips a page.
Just saying.
Dominic Sanchez
>I've been reading pic related.
Nice.
>Moon Knight was spitting out 1 to 3 quips a page. Just saying.
I used quip in a broad sense, so bad wording/poor elaboration on my part. It was more the teenage-esque, overly blabby dialogue that the jokes have which don't work with how the character currently is. I don't think MK making a crack in and of itself is bad.
Julian Foster
I should buy some Moon Knight.
Nathaniel Roberts
Is the Charlie Huston run the only one where he is dead serious?
Michael Collins
bump for reading
Kevin Hill
I think Lemiere for a first movie. Maybe introduce him as a side character in doctor strange 2 or something first.
Julian Clark
He is Jewish. There isn’t a Jewish mcu hero yet.
Camden Flores
Because those are all prominent aspects of the character. His Wilshire practically clan garbs, his being jewish, his being an avatar for an Egyptian Moon-god, his being mentally ill are all defining traits. Seemed like a good place to begin and end.
Jack Moore
The Thing with fantastic four soon? I would agree that’s a better Jewish representation since Ben is pretty close with his Jewish family and has been shown to go to the synagogue many times. Plus recently he had a Jewish wedding in the latest Fantastic Four issue. Marc left home because he didn’t want to be a rabbi that his dad wanted him.
William Brown
Bendis turned his multiple personality disorder into Wolverine, Captain America, and Spider-Man. He is the only person to do this and the only person that has done this. If you want mental illness done well look at Lemire’s version. It’s a big nope from me.
Brandon Wright
They've been relegated to TV shows. It's turned out fairly well.
Austin Wood
And also not even the weirdest part but for some reason he also gained their powers when he was in their mind set? I think Mr. Bendis confused Taskmaster with Moon Knight.
Jack Hall
I feel like the Jewish person that left behind the church is more relatable than one that stuck with the traditions.
Landon Hernandez
Ben isn’t religious though. He is more of a secular liberal Jew but he still respects the tradition at times.
Jacob Campbell
Yeah, I've only ever seen him really do like. Three religious things.
His marriage, his second bar mitzvah celebrating 13 years as the Thing, and that time the old dude got shot and he recited the Kaddish for him.
Wyatt Thompson
If we can keep this thread alive for like an hour, I can post the first arc of Hurwitz's Moon Knight run that takes place after Huston's. If Marvel was looking for a way to introduce the character, that wouldn't be bad start. They could hint at a truly fucked up prior history and the movie could emphasize where that ended up and how he has attempted to get a grip on being an actual hero along with his sanity.
Carson Foster
Eh it’s better to do it in a new thread and maybe like link it here in your first post. But I wouldn’t be opposed to story timing here although this was never meant to be a story time thread.
Jace Cruz
Will do it in a new thread very soon. Also bump. And if I had to choose a director for the film, I would personally want Barry Sonnenfeld (Men In Black) to write and direct. He has an immense respect for sci-fi and I know that extends into horror (especially with the first MIB movie and The Addams family). He has shown an intense respect for characterization and his pitch black humor would be perfect for Moony (as they're going to HAVE to inject humor somewhere). Also new thread.
Leo Bell
His daughter already wants to follow in his footsteps and become Moon Girl.
Just saying.
Isaac Brown
Do you have to read the bendis run? I read everything up til there, but his version sounds terrible and I’ve just stopped
Eli Jones
Nope. Its very inconsequential to MK mythos. It was just Bendis being Bendis and everyone else ignoring his Bendising.