/hoc/

>muh canada’s team
>needs to keep reinforcing it
yiggity yikes

sorry this is leafs nation. all non leafs nation please leave.

day off, plus nightshifts

Gonna take some time off this summer to go on a cross-continental roadtrip so i can beat the fucking shit out of Ted, Sam, Doug, and Randy.

>sabres game is 90% leafs fans

BUF @ PHI, 7 pm
SJS @ BOS
CGY @ NYI
OTT @ WSH
PIT @ CBJ
LAK @ CAR
MTL @ DET, 7:30
MIN @ WPG, 8 pm (7 pm Central)
NSH @ STL
FLA @ ARZ, 9 pm (7 pm Mountain)
DAL @ VGK, 10 pm (7 pm Pacific)

>1 post by this id

start of thread reminder that hockey is for everyone

you're going to fart their balls

isn't all ice created equal?

is there a gofund me or kickstarter? I'll pay for a tank of your gas

I searched name statistics and there are 25k williams and only 71 persons called willhelm

Don't forget Hal and Kippers

mhmm

yes

this is what the snowniggers will now flipflop and shill now that based vegas is on the list

>tfw it was sub -15c last week
>it got up to +19 today
the funny thing is the entire back road of my apartment is still a sheet of ice because it gets no sunlight

hey hey people

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i bet Ted kicks your ass.

Your mom farts my jizz

haha that is funny

look it up at william vs wilhelm, one l in the second

>shots are 37-16 caps
another insane advantage just like the other game lol

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scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/namnsok/

right? i told that to people a couple times today and it garnered some amused reactions

We've had icicles 15 feet long here

This is amazing dude, I never thought the hockey league in my head would be actualised by a /hoc/bro. Beers to you

Wow, what a story, where can I subscribe to your blog?

GO LEAFS GO

>le throw everything at the net with no screens and hope for rebounds team

>wilhelm, one l in the second
3k

>saddledome is no longer on the best ice list
oh no no no no

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...

you're gonna argue with me now?

why are all of the good hockey players canadians

wrong

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we should do a /hoc/ meetup for the playoffs, lads

>why do bears shit in the woods?

at the spike or its over. we gotta find sam

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USA's got a bunch of different sports people choose from, pretty much everyone here just plays hockey

>86

why are all of the good nhl teams american?

is that laeffy

Better get your free coffee, lads.

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the Swedish royal family spells it Wilhelm but they are the same name to me, I would name my son Gustaf if I was a Swede

Based leaf of logic

found him

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go Sabs no lefs

how did canada repel the american invaders and burn down their capital in the war of 1812

because they were brits

By giving up their ability to win Stanley Cups past 1993

this is the post

can buffalo fucking score already so i have something to post about

if we still had the queen would we still be rapidly becoming a brown country?

rather this boring game just end

>presenting facts is considered arguing in greece

Nobody wants to live in Canada by choice

who gives away more buffalo or your mom?

the other game is pretty exciting

>canada
>didn't exist
>do anything

KEK

Easy, your mom

>tfw baited THG into replying

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Looks like a CGI tongue

1812 is canada's strong duck for farming (You)s

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game leafs

it's amazing how worked up boomers get over it

le epic troll my man XD

the funny thing is that >laffs fans will actually be proud of this win

Kind of feel like dying

now ask him if he browses /hoc/
i want to know if he knows we know about his wife's hog braps

fucking lole

>not mad at the dabres
u will be

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nope

it's because hockey is beloved in Canada and also better wealth distribution makes it possible for more people to join.

Hoping for more season ending injuries in this game :^)

>everyone plays hockey
yeah that's what I said

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how tall is evanka osmak? she has a really long neck

but you neglected the second factor

also, it's not like there aren't oppostuinites for other sports there

.... Aaaaaaaaaaand here come the ssm8 posters

make it an international thing, go beat up the twink

sorry lads

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I call dibs on Burakovsky's goal

Goddamn, Basilevskiy

The US has ten times Canada's population you absolute fucktard. If every middle class and up white kid played hockey here like they do there, we would fucking dominate.

Tavares has 41 goals and the season isn’t even over
>overrated shit
Tavares haters continually BTFO

oh no no no

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way to miss the point Cleetus. This isn't the banjo general, go back to where you came from

Nah, >we only do that in response to the utterly obsessed cuck that watches every leafs game in hopes he can get to post his face may may.

>Ovechkin fanned it

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lmaoing at the craps

there is but they don't have anywhere close to the same support as in the US
football and baseball especially isn't done in most schools (at least in my province)

man vasilevski is so fucking good

what happens when the laffs get knocked out by the ruins in the first round, in five (5) games?

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Snes - Canucks

is there a time limit to offside challenges? the caps just had like 1:30 of pressure and i'm pretty sure any goal was coming back because of the zone entry

>nignog wilson missing a wide open net
#not just a goon

still awake and don't know why, my hoc frens

nobody cares pajeet.

For >us, it's good month of October

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I refuted your point. It's really not my problem if you didn't understand.

>tfw luongo would always lose 85% of his games in December

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You cared enough to reply. Piss off.

i know how you feel fren, i cant even sleep more than 3 hours at a time these days

correct, that's why I specified that is because it's beloved, it's a big industry.

Stop repeating what I said Willhelm

because hokki on paras?

I should be in bed but I want to watch the Caps get dabbed on

Willhelm?

youtu.be/Op1bXa1FU8I?t=18

god damn sometimes i forget how good of a show Archer is

>ovie can't beat vassy

Hockey is us

and a pretty nice hunk of meat

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>10 PM
>should be in bed

thinking about some oodles of noodles

its really gone downhill last 3 seasons tho

Anyone else see that girlsdoporn that’s trending on spankbang?
Holy shit the bazoongas on that girl
I came buckets and drove home from work on my lunch break and came again

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I'm up at 5AM senpai, sucks dick but I make good money

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really it was season 4 where it started getting worse but it was still pretty good up to season 6

i haven't caught many of the past few seasons, when they've gone all noir or whatever it is.
I've heard a number of people say its gone downhill sadly

Doin wat

Vasi got Ovi shook

SHOOK

they have some moments but it's only 8 episode seasons and they're all connected so it's missing a lot of what it had before

think its good until the LA season ends, then dreamland kinda sux, dangerisland is ok

I'm a millwright, install and repair machinery

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>yellow facers tonight

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>we beat another shit team
>stay scared m8

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You're all afraid the Toronto Maple Leafs will win the Stanley Cup this year because they have a real chance

Stay scared m8

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>another shit team
>Leafs are tied for 5th in the league
Stay scared m8

wouldn't mind a craps v bolts ecf again lads

wow your iq must be lower than greases lmao

your posts are only testament that you are

you seem obsessed with the Leafs

>his team doesn’t have a hearty anthem fan chant

>doesn't address what I said
>comments on IQ
>Ameritards

the passion for the leafs really brings /hoc/ together

im saying buffalel is the shit team you fucking braindead retard. holy fucking shit genuinely scared of how fucking stupid you are m8.

shut the fuck up

Remember that time America burnt Port Dover, Ontario to the ground? Good times, we should do it again

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yeah you know what the leafs are canada's team, the team we love seeing lose now fuck off with your bitching

Based and blue collar

Watch your language m8s
And continue to stay scared

Vasilevsky is going to end up with over 50 saves tonight

yeah, you install machinery in your ass, hahahahaha

what is a millwright?

I suppose you had an education for it

Tampon Gay are simply PP babys and will be BTFO yet again in the playoffs

Prove me wrong

HAHA

THE BIRDMAN STRIKES AGAIN

DAMN, I SHOULD HAVE BET, I WAS AIMING FOR IT TO GO OT

SCAAARRRRRR
>Kuznetsov

>V4SELINE

>NBCSN game
>Miraculous last minute game tying goal
This shit is getting fucking old

>tampa gay forcing their tendie to stop 55+ shots

NOT SO FAST

>86

holy shit
this fucking game

>blots
HOWEVER

>that one retarded faggot who doesn't know what a millwright is

gonna give up 50+ shots and expect to do anything in the playoffs
>doubt.jpg

what a shambolic display by TB
no tendie should have to go through that

>Bettman points all around
Fuck this gay Earth

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how is tampa 6-1 in memeouts lol

retarded faggot would be you, for being you

eberything else is just a matter of specialised terminology/vocabulary

Holt5y gives up the goal

>that one moronic fag who doesn't even know the name of one of the more ancient skilled trades on planet earth

SCAAAAARRRRRRRR
>Hedman

HAHAHAHA

COULD THIS BE A PREMONITION?

HOOOOOOOOOOOOLTBYYYYYYYYY

Threepeat incoming, anons.

hahaha stupid faggot ovi
>crap5

what the FUCK OVIE

Beaut

>THIS DOES NOT FOOKIN SLIP

>craps

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lmao imagine getting blown the fuck out twice in 4 days

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>OVECHOKE

>head man

>Ovi not passing that puck
Back to his old ways it seems

BOILING

Based smuk posters

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Listen, why weren't you shit heaps in the game thread?

That was on Orlov, not Ovechkin desu

Thanks tampa but not on that fucking overtime you forced for fucks sake. now we gotta grind against les habitents

lmao

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Because the playoffs haven't started yet

>game thread
>regular season
oh no no no

watch the (shit) late games or vidya?

Holy fuck I was just about to ask this

im not a leafs fan but that was a GUTSY win over the sabres tonight. they’re back to being cup favorites guys.

tampa allowed a lot of shots
will vasilevsky be able to bail them out during playoffs if it continues like this?

Non playoff game threads are for fags

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for me, it's watching another game where laine doesn't score

I think I'm going with vidya, can you give me a rundown aftet?

2 b h the bolts tightened up defense a shitload last playoffs. I’m not worried yet, just really appreciating Vasy rn

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I better see some money out of this

do you even know what an offside is?

reminder to tampa that playoffs don't have 3on3.

pay your debts you fucking weasel

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And killorn being so much of a retard and kuch going for the hatty instead of the slam dunk goal

Listen Anaheim, I know we've had our differences, but going to need you to style on the Jest tonight.

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make the logo on that hat bigger

went with oriental flavoring

>kempny out for season
wew
about time craps luck finally wore out

>that tiny logo
kek based

>oriental
based goat flavor

based draft sim sending another finn to die in edmonton

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they seem determined to get that record I think it's gonna happen

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He stepped up to oaquette and when he fell it looked like his leg twisted funny, gourde drew blood with some right hooks on one of their players tonight as well

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Ban all gay bar music from all hockey arenas.

why? hockey is for everyone

>haha I’m sure /hoc/s just exaggerating the remaining games can’t be THAT shi-
grim

why are you hanging out in gay bars?

how would /hoc/ react if Tampa end with a franchise high season and in some twisted turn of events get dabbed on by the Teds?

also,
>pedosota is 21st in the league (ppg)
>still expects to make the playoffs

probably be really happy cause I’ve been pissing them off all season

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I'd lmao cause that would mean Torts keeps his job there

not /gd/ approved

i'll post my cock if this happens

an elimination day collage with a bunch of >blots posting

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I said make the logo bigger.

/hoc/ gets too distracted nowadays we don’t rack up the >rags like we used to

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You better hope so. Smug posting will be off the charts for a long time if >we win

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why? you're expected to win.

*gets eliminated by 2nd wild card*

*makes up playoff fantasies that make me feel less seething*

probably gonna lose to the canes

>tfw that was the last reg szn game on NBSHITSN

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almost midnight reminder that Tavares is overrated shit

Asked a girl if she wanted anal and she said no it would hurt because she heard I post on /hoc/

I needed to read your post 4 times before I understood what your retarded ass was trying to say.
Type like a normal person you faggot

lol u hve brain probs buddo nothing wrong with that post

no means yes dummy

its impossible for it to be opposite day because if it was opposite day and you said "today is opposite day" then you have literally said "today isnt opposite day"

Asked a girl if she wanted anal and she said no she wouldn’t feel it because she heard I post on /cric/

>laffs cope

I bet you think people born on leap year age 4x slower too

Asked a girl if she wanted anal and she said yes but then I woke up and mended by sadness by shitposting on /hoc/ for 14 hours straight.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Asked a girl if she wanted anal and she said yes and then i accidentally a coke bottle

Haha fucking based and hocpilled

IF YOU'RE LOOOOOKIN FOR ME

you got some pushups in today, right /hoc/?

yeah 100/day, lad

Asked a girl for anal and she said yes and pulled a strap on out of the closet

JAKKE
A
K
K
E

based perry

>asked
That's why it's a dream and not reality

>tfw my exgf had a strap on in her sex box
told her that was gonna be a no for me dog, and she mentioned that her last bf loved to get pegged.

Asked my mom for tendies and she said no brush your teeth and go to bed

people are fucked in the head in 2019, good for you straightening her out

just got my tickets for the first two rounds lads

that's because I asked her for anal and she said yes

Sounds like Tyrone is due for a visit

>rides harley into sunset battle

BING BING

>jets giving up 3 odd man rushes in one power play
please do this tomorrow

how big was the strap-on

how are we so good lads?

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Sorry grease my mother isn't a coal burner

What’s the best way to trick myself into not having nightmares again tonight?

not comically big
it was ribbed lmao

Watch Everybody Loves Raymond season 4 right before bed

thanks ο Έλληνας φίλος μου

>nightmares

Grow up

The Ottawa Senators didn't die, they were MURDERED

Probably 5'10"

Sneed

Must be a weird mix of security and confusion to have that information about her ex

for me, it's seinfeld and frasier for peak comfiness

For me, it's history podcasts.

frasier is so based, binged like 20 episodes yesterday

For me, it's old WWF or WCW.

>podcasts

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For me it's art bell reruns while i drift to sleep

kys tinfoil faggot

>his life isn't a waking nightmare with only hockey for relief
Lmao

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Imagine getting 58 shots on net and outshooting the other team by 30 shots and still losing

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based i do this sometimes too. my dad used to listen to him every night growing up, in fact he still listens to coast 2 coast.

george noory sucks though

>hired tyrone to fuck my wife
>his dick is actually smaller than mine
>mfw i’m videotaping and my wife is even less satisfied than usual
she made me sleep on the couch for like week, oh well go avs

>you do something literally everyone except me does? Haha kys lol

why do thots put their one leg up on a sink or counter and take a photo.

seething samefag

Lol this is actually an Avs fan isn't it haha wtf

yup, thanks for summarizing it

to present their hole

that’s how I wipe my ass

oops, didn't mean to put it was meant for

Noory is alright sometimes but the format sucks. Too many commercials. Anyways download any radio player app like tunein or paranormal radio and there are 4 or 5 art bell streams. I love listening to early mid 00's iraq war episodes.

Ah yes the vagina flex how could I miss that

>early mid 00's iraq war episodes
sounds based

Because no one ever taught them how to act like a lady

eating beef stroganoff over the sink right now lads

Thanks in advance for taking your own advice on the bleach you miserable twat

He had a lot of guests on at the time that were predicting where it was headed and a lot of it ended up comeing true 10+ years later. It's fascinating, it's not even "conspiracy" talk, it's genuine geopolitical discourse that you dont hesr these days

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wpsdY1jg1O8

For me its, 1 hand on the sangwich, 1 hand on the dick

that's super interesting m8, i'm gonna try to track some down tonight

hockey is actually kind of boring

Leafs and Burgers united

You're actually kind of a giant used tampon, cunt.

desu, the ducks are doing pretty good against the jets. lucky they're only down by one after giving up five power plays through two periods

Will the Tampa Bay Lightning win the Stan Leeb Owl?

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Nice

it's been 6 years since the President's Trophy winner has also won the Cup. They still have the best shot but it's like a 25% chance or something

Plenty of jigaboo jam to watch

i’m not black

Yet youre a nigger.

are you a liar mr duck?

He always answers that as true because it's a paradox

Ducks gonna score a meme goal early in the 3rd?

Are they going to meme win?

>5: Haha
Strong duck is so good it’s scary

That's not how this gimmick works faggot

Is this how this works Strong duck?

You should have seen the other day where he kept saying ask again or apathetic and then when the user got mad he gave him a haha

Kek

Is strong cuck reddit?

wow contributive post
fuck off

go back to r/thedonald hothead

About to smoke a bowl with 5 different types of weed in it.

>bring black
wouldn’t recommend tbqhwy

>not sprinkling cocaine onto your weed bowls

you could burn it down again tomorrow and no one would know about it again

total waste of cocaine, unless you make it into crack

Will the Canucks win the lottery this year?

>not sprinkling crack onto your weed bowls

based

read a fucking book

nope, Hughesy's going to Colorado (formerly Ottawa)

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can't wait until tomorrow lads when it isn't only SHIT teams

>analslime cucks

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I do bitchface
Don't fucking at me again

mathematically speaking the worst team in the league has a higher chance at picking 4th than picking in the top3.

shut the fuck up faggot before I used my janny connections to get your ass banned

Is the SCF going to be Sharks vs Lightning?

>shorks
>getting past vgk and the flames
keep dreaming m8

Jones will get hot
right duck

jones has been pulled 5 times against vegas
in less than two years

Fuck off prick

>vgk
>good
the delusion, how delicious

Wah wah I'm Sam and my butt hurts

>best record in hockey in the last ten games
stay scared m8

I just looked at the caliber of those 10 teams they played and won’t even dignify your post with a response, jesus christ

>maths

>>>/reddit/

then start Dell vs. Vegak

>every vegas non-defender is sam
stay obsessed glitter queer

t.

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hey farva

>weinerpeg jests
>helping the tank

t. S*m

did canada even exist in 1812?

What are you? A woman?

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yup and we burned down your shitty house of white

why is there this one SEETHING canadian naysaying anything that's posted?
go to bed m8.

stay obsessed drumpf shitter

Sam takes his irl frustration out on /hoc/ desu

are canadiens even human?

game 8 is a must win imo

Should I go out for another dart? It's 10:30 local

...

based mountain lad

I honestly dont blame him, he has to live in transcona

I'm high af in more ways than one

Alright duck another 7 minutes off my life it is

he's the worst, he was doing it last night too

Will the Devils make the playoffs next year?

imagine being this upset by words on a website

Late night posting from grandmas phone reminder jets 4 cup and fuck the ducks and fuck b*****t

>ni7sson

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yes. the Provinces of Upper and Lower Canada.

imagine your country not winning a stanley cup in 26 years

imagine having 24 shitty teams that draft all of our good players

just ate an entire box of orange flavoured tic tacs

Dead in here. Jetties shutout California fuck fag birds and you guys are too petrified by how unsilencable and undefeatable me and jets are even when I’m not here.
Got me all worked brother

I HERE MY SHIT SHANNON

Imagine one Canadian team swallowing up 4 first overall picks within 10 years, one of which is being heralded as the second coming, and STILL being the laughing stock of the league.

that was a low blow man fuck you

the laffs are the laughing stock of the league

All's fair in love and war.

NOOOOOOOOO STOP WINNING GAMES ALREADYYYYYY

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No it wasn’t fuck Edmonton that team deserves to be folded

>pedosota mild
Seriously, what is their problem?

Hey we don't like Edmongolia doing that either
or the >laffs

>only SHIT teams playing tomorrow

But it's time for the victory riot, comrade. Sorry my sneedators friends

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Pedosotans will be beat up on sight, no exceptions. Mild jerseys are the symbol of child molestation

Literal boomers

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are you an antifa?

>this is what happens when you don't rebuild
grim

DELET THIS

The only rebuild the mild will see is a relocation to another state, hopefully one with fewer pedophiles

what's the youngest team in the 'chel?

Does Minnesota actually have a disproportionate amount of pedos? Was there a mild fan who was a pedo? Where did this meme start.

mild tripfag posting pics of that russian skater who was like 16 at the time

Chubs, newfag

Minnesota literally, LITERALLY has the most pedophiles in the union.

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Avs

Why doesn’t the NHL step in and force the mild to relocate for the safety of the players’ children?

oh yeah chubs. whatever happened to him

Seriously, last time I went to a game against the mild, the pedosotans that were there eyeballed my daughter. IT's fucking disgusting.

HURRY THE FUCK UP SHANNON

Never gets old

Hello my lovely lad. Please review more PC games.

Threadly reminder.

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Drove into the river

we need something new to sink our autism into, like pixelzone or that finnish hockey game. we should play haxball desu

Tell her to stop dressing like a slut

youtube.com/watch?v=O2AbcCbyJ2U

Axis & Allies

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/hoc/ ehm league when?

Let’s all rate each others skates

will based gary die in the 20s?

have seen that girl dance to the hit or miss song?

I have the Bauer Vapor X:60s. Got them when they were top of the line because my mom got her year end profit sharing when I needed a new pair. Cost more than my first car. They’re a dream. If all goes according to plan I’ll never need another pair.

Fuck you analhiem. Always a good day when the ducks lose.

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Wow,

yup, thats a thing

Apologize

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>move to houston
>win stan lee immediately

with 5m+ views

youtu.be/FvJEOxWpTfw

Bauer Supreme S160

Kansas City it is

>Axis & Allies
what's that lad, is it like risk?

haxball is pretty fun desu

that's the good stuff, can't wait for the marblympics to start up

ccm tacks 9050s
they are a couple years old now

for me, it's having never ice skated in my life

Not in my /hoc/

my dad taught me how to skate as soon as i could walk because hes a good dad.

not even for hs field trips during gym class?

me either it's my biggest secret

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>turned 30 yesterday
>have never worn ice skates in my life

Limers fans are the Philly fans of Marblelympics

I've skated a few times and can do the things like stop

my skating ability is 100, everything else is retard tier, srs b r e h s

>we're only 4 points out after an epic losing streak

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i woulda been in the nhl if it werent for my bad knee

i could've gone to the show but i didn't like going to the dirty areas

i would have made the bantam draft, but i failed the penis inspection day

I have but it's been at least 30 years

when i was younger i played on the same team as ryan johansen one year

yeah, it's weird that bracket already has you lads whited out

he didnt even bother moving >us up either. we passed the soilers a few days ago.

a tale as old as time

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i was once at a camp where everyone was talking about what place they got drafted (all really high numbers, don’t think any of them even played in the ahl), and i just sat their quietly

gimme quads please

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why does shannon post videos of his wife's children playing hockey?

reroll

you think hes going to watch a nhl game? lmao

damn, good point

if he’s not autistically copying numbers onto a whiteboard, his spare time is filled browsing ebay, amazon, and nhlshop for merch, there’s no time to actually watch the games

BUF @ PHI, 7 pm
SJS @ BOS
CGY @ NYI
OTT @ WSH
PIT @ CBJ
LAK @ CAR
MTL @ DET, 7:30
MIN @ WPG, 8 pm (7 pm Central)
NSH @ STL
FLA @ ARZ, 9 pm (7 pm Mountain)
DAL @ VGK, 10 pm (7 pm Pacific)

fuck off you’re not amusing

box scores: the voiceover

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1993 FAGGOT

imagine the odour

I dont hate nucks, I promise

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doesn't drai have 40 goals? why is edmongolia so bad still

>that body weight
>that hair
shannon is a failure, who larps as some sort of coach giving a speech during the first tryouts of a peewee season while reading numbers that other people compiled

They made a Faustian bargain in the 80s and are now paying up

>implying most coaches aren't fat or hairy

Start your own hockey channel and show him up and steal all his followers then you useless fucking faggot. But you wont because you are an even bigger failure than Shannon's fat ass.

what did he do before he quit to do youtube fulltime
I bet it was something garbage like IT or waste management consultant

it’s his wife that is too fat and hairy. it doesn’t matter what men look like. he’s a failure because his ‘wife’ is a swamp donkey

nice reading comprehension absolute dumb fuck

He was a 5’4 warehouse worker who watched Dr Who and wore exclusively hockey merch yet never played when he met her.

It’s not like he could do better, especially with hypergamy

Should I get zone heating at my new house and maybe a new team to support. Seriously thinking of just phoning it in and rooting for usa women's hockey team cuz my NHL team is too hard to watch
A-asking for a friend

Warehouse wo

grim

she'd be okay if she lost like 100 pounds

watching hockey is just a hobby, as it should be, Shannon, i’d rather not buy the entire nhl catalog and copy numbers everyday with only the hope of sticking my dick in a rancid heffer with children from another man

-rker

>5-0 victory
i can tell you don't get paid for this

>gooney perry

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So you admit to being a bigger failure than fatass shannon. K thx bye

That guy would unironically look way better with a mustache

look at that fuckin nerd

really? i always thought he was a lady byng candidate

wew see ya

Duh, also I blame NHL.com

IT'S UP

your penis?

my penis?

end of thread reminder that bulju IS generational.

I can't think of any generational players.

generational BUST

500

NEW THREAD RIGHT NOW SHANNON

FUCKIN MAKE JT SHANNON

new thread better fucking be high effort this time. i’m talking news and a schedule, the works.

...

...

you make it then, fatty

lads... if you guys leave the thread for me it's gonna be shit

shall and basedpilled

shant and cringepilled

Can we take a second to appreciate this
>Beat by one post
>trips
>off by 1 post

and it was the bracket faggot, truly a dark day in /hoc/'s history