This kills the gyppo and the kiwi

>Modric
So this is the power of the best player in the world

le pass it sideways men

Assists and Goals are only good stats to rate forwards

I don’t get it. Kroos and Modric look terrible going off this graph, so who has been feeding Ronaldo all this time?

>Messi is goat I swear look he scored 450 goals against Alaves
quite sad desu

lmaoo

this image is literally "messi doesn't score penalties and we hope he gets assits, in la liga"

>Ronaldo turns 30
>wins 3 consecutive CL's by 33

>Messi turns 30
>out in the QF
>out in the QF
>going to get knocked out in the Ro16

Messoy stan's are literally stuck in the past. Messi peaked while tsu is leading a new league in goals and assists.
>muh 91 goals 7 years ago
>muh trebles

no CL's/trebles without iniesta/xavi LMAO

Modric is supposed to be a playmaker.

But the club he scored the most is Real Madrid, third is Sevilla who won like 5 continental cups in the last decade

>>and
It's the same guy.

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>let me pick the timeframe that is most convenient to me
also, is xA the new key passies/chances created?

playmakers tend play the defence splitting pass to the winger/overlapping fullback who then pass it for an easy tap-in and an easy assists.

Barcelona carried Messi and spent 2x as much as Real.
Ronaldo carried himself.

sorry but that's bullshit, modric has the same role as de brown in a team. he's just shittier.

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>Spanish farmers
>best league in the world for the past ~7 years

kek

Messi (being just one himself) played alongside a bunch of young academy products and together made the best team in history

Ronaldo played for United, Real Madrid and Juventus, literally the 3 richest and most stacked (full of mercenaries) clubs in history

>But the club he scored the most is Real Madrid
wrong, it's Sevila

>Sevilla who won like 5 continental cups in the last decade
lmfao, just say "europa league's" , AND they've also only won 3 "continental cups" in the last 10 years kek.

Sevilla, who has won more copa del reys and SEGUNDA DIVISIONS than La liga's in it's history. Having not won la liga since the fucking 40's, and the closest they came since then was 2nd place...in the 50's ahahahahah

>unironically confirming that messi is a la liga/spainish football babby
>the city of (you)

where is Poulsen? can't find him

oh, 2014-2018, nevermind

But besides Ronaldo no player has scored more CL goals than Messi in the last 10 years, how is he a league babby?

has he played at least 7k minutes since 2014?

>Canadian proxy
That's a new low, Twain.

could actually be close, that's about 78 full matches

He really hasn't

you can buy domestic titles by stuffing your bench with $150m dembeles arturs malcoms while destroying farmers 6-0 every weekend but you cant buy a CL.

it takes a strong mind to win a CL
it takes a stronger mind to win 2 CL in a row
it takes a TSU mind to win 3 CL in a row as top scorer

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>choked CL every year until Bale arrived and carried him in every final

>but you can't buy a CL

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it takes the right players, the right refball, the right luck. why did real madrid fail for so long despite having ronaldo?

>1 goal in CL this season
>crying after a red because he couldn't statpad vs young boys
>lost the other game vs young boys
lmao a strong mind indeed

>but you can't buy a CL

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>choked CL every year until Bale arrived and carried him in every final
lol

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Post his penalty

Why is this even an argument? This "debate" ended many years ago and is only kept alive by clickbait journos and the poo skins who wank over crissy's persona

it's still an obvious offside but holy moley that's a very shit offside line

Yes because the debate started in 2014

>why did real madrid fail for so long despite having ronaldo?
because Mourinho was cancer

>the right players, the right refball, the right luck.
that would be 1 maybe 2 in a row. takes a strong mind to win 3.

>Real won 6-3 overall, Ronaldo scored 5 goals
>but muh offside

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Imagine being blinded because you're a loser who feels some sense of accomplishment over someone born within the borders of your shithole even though he doesn't know or care if you exist
lmao

also I like how every Messi revisionist ignores Lewa's offside just before Ramos' own goal.
the game should have ended 1-1.

the current state of these posts, it's like they all have something in common.

Isn't this a bad use of statistics because some leagues are trash at defense while others aren't.

>some leagues are trash at defense while others aren't.
>t. my feelings

The Slaughter of Spanish Farmers

the current state of your life, being devoted to posting behind several proxies
lmfao

>p-penalties don't count!!!
wew lad

>Messi plays with youth products, Ronaldo plays with mercenaries
>richest and most stacked (full of mercenaries) clubs in history

Barca Transfers (in messi era)
>coutinho 120m (no cl's w/ him)
>dembele 105m (no cl's w/ him)
>neymar 80+m (general knowledge that his deal was SHADY as fuck and cost more than admitted) (1 cl)
>suraez 82m (1 cl)
>de jong 75m (0 cl)
>Zlatan 69.5m (0 cl)

>all those in top 20 MOST EXPESNIVE transfers of all time
>all while paying messi a rumoured 100m a season
>spending 511.8 million euros to win 1 CL
>spending 349.5m on transfers to win 0 CL, incapable of making it past the Qf's

OH NO NO NOOOOO, literally can't buy a CL. Barca is PSG tier now KEK

just for comparitive sakes, lets dive into Ronaldo's clubs transfer history's while he was there

Real (only 2 in top 50 most expensive all time)
>Bale 100m (4 cl)
>James 74m (2 cl)
>wins 4 CL
Bonus:
>kroos 25m
>Modric 30m

Juve
>basically just Ronaldo for 100m
>although same transfer window, Cancelo for 40m and Bonucci for 35m
lmao, Because you know, Ronaldo is the one who plays with mercenaries, not messi..........kek
>most expensive in squad with ronaldo (transfered in before)
>dybala 35m (cl final only)
>pjanic 32m (cl final only)

Man U
>Berbatov 30m (08/09 season, 1 cl final runner up)
>Nani 25m (07/08 season, 1 CL and 1 cl final)
>park ji-sung 4m (05/06, 1 CL, 1 runner up)
>Rooney 27m (04/05, 1 CL, 1 runner up)

i don't even know how to end this post because i feel kind of bad for how stupid you now look

nothing wrong with not counting pens
it's wrong to arbitrarily use the 2014-2018 timeframe though

>it's wrong to arbitrarily use the 2014-2018 timeframe though
you mean Mesis's "finished" era? you're right we should include 09 to 14 as well and absolutely BTFO penaldo

going by this graph giroud looks like the goat striker

It's likely that timeframe because of the introduction of new stats and statkeeping. If you include 2009-2014 then chances are the difference between Ronaldo and Messi is much higher

this proves that De Bruyne is the undisputed goat

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>hazard
>3rd best player in the world

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Canada BTFO these niggas

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He's supposed to be a box-to-box midfielder.

>poo skins who wank over crissy's persona
>

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>his examples are you ultra expensive unproven prospects

meanwhile real bought proven quality players
florentino is behind real's success

>argentineans are whi-

MSN was fucking awesome desu.

Reminder that divegrass loving kiwi is a 34 year old weeb faggot who regularly posts on Yea Forums and has admitted to being morbidly obese.

Dude's not a kiwi, he has no idea about regional banter. From the dubious grammar and obsessive fandom, we're probably dealing with a crazy Pakistani behind a couple of proxies.

Hamez has better stats

>regional banter
I don't travel outside of Palmy except for Christmas

>League play only
yeah ronaldo sure looks bad kek
messi peaked and has been finished since 2012. only able to win another CL in 2015 because barca bought 2 of the 5 best forwards in the world to come play with him

>Last season messi was top scorer in CL
>2012 (7 years ago), age 24
>14 goals; 4 were penalties
>2 goals Bate (1 game)
>3 goals Pizen (1 game, 1 penalty)
>3 goals Milan (2 games, 3 penalties)
>6 goals Bayer (2 games. 5 goals came in one game)
>Messi's best CL season saw him score 14 goals, in only 6 games. 4 of which were penalties. the toughest team playing/scoring against being 2012 Milan, only managing to score via penalties
>doesn't even win the CL that season

>Ronaldo, aged 33
>last season
>15 goals (3rd best scoring CL season)
>4 penalties
>record: first and only player to score in every CL group stage game
>record: scoring in 11 consecutive CL games, spanning to the final the year before
>scored in 10 different games, all in a row
>4 APOEL, 3 Dortmund, 3 PSG, 3 Juve, 2 Tottenham
>actually wins the CL

Messi's best CL season, at the age of 24, saw him score as many penalties, less goals overall, and only scoring in almost half as many games, as Ronaldo's 3rd best season at the age of 33

that's why messi stan's have to use graphs like OP's to try and make messi look better than ronaldo. graphs using
>non penalties vs 'expected' assists
>arbitrary time frame (starting in 2014)
>only in league play

quite literally proving why messi is not as good as Ronaldo. You literally have to go out of your way and use made up statistics to make messi look better KEK

>ultra expensive

>literally only 2 "ultra expensive" players = 174m combined
vs
>Barca's 4 ultra expensive players = 347m

>unproven prospects
honestly this just makes barca look even mroe stupid following your logic. Their wasting 75m+ on 'unproven' players to accomplish essentially nothing they couldn't before. l m a o

>Coutinho (at time of transfer)
>age 25
>cost 120m
>54 goals in 201 games for livershit. 64 goals in 291 career (2 seasons serie B) [5 goals in 5 cl games liverpool; they went onto the final w/o him)
>time at liverpool: Europa league runner up, finished 2nd in league

>Bale
>age 24
>cost 100m
>55 in 203 for tottenham. 60 in 248 career (2 seasons in championship)
>time at tottenham: literally nothing, best league finish was 4th place

>Suarez
>age 27
>cost 82m
>82 goals in 113 livershit. 193 goals in 291 career
>time at liverpool: football league cup, 2nd place finish, premier gold boot
>also eredviise golden boot with ajax before

>James
>age 23
>cost 74m
>10 in 38 for monaco. 61 in 224 career
>monaco: nothing, ligue 1 top assister
>world cup golden boot 2014

>Dembele
>age 20
>cost 105m
>10 in 50 for dortmund. 35 in 101 career (2 seasons in CFA)
>dortmund: DFB-pokal, nothing else

>neymar
>cost 80+(?)m
>already established superstar so no point going into detail

well there goes your argument.
B T F O
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>Di Maria and Messi that far right
>Argentina don't play Aguero as their CF so he can capitalise but instead play the shitter that is Higuain
kek

>looks at top right
yep, there he is.

Nothing new there, OP.

but he sits way deeper. consider the following
>midfielder plays defense-splitting through ball to spring free forward #1
>forward #1 takes a touch and squares it to forward #2
>forward #2 taps it in
who gets credit for the assist? hint: it isn't the midfielder

>this entire thread

Must be hard be a third-worlder and getting into a fidgety rut every time Messi is mentioned and/or once again proven to be easily the best

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>that's why messi stan's have to use graphs like OP's to try and make messi look better than ronaldo.
I can use all-time numbers as well:
Messi wins in goals-to-apps ratio (0.81 vs 0.72)
Messi has like 50 more assists in 150 fewer apps
Not to mention almost every professional footballer/pundit who isn't related to ManU/RM/Juve/Portugal and anyone who actually watches football knows that Messi is way ahead of Ronaldo

you btfo me because you agree real is smarter at making a strong team? we saw how efffective ronaldo is in the CL without a strong midfield like the one he had at real

>we saw how efffective ronaldo is in the CL without a strong midfield like the one he had at real
Ronaldo won CL as top scorer in 2008
also Messi won 0 CL without Xavi

>muh ratio against Eibar

I don't think you want to bring trebles into the argument lad.

test

>Ronaldo won CL as top scorer in 2008
Ah, yes, with that underdog team that was Alex Ferguson's Man Utd. Goddamn, you're an idiot.

Messi's dribbling and passing have always been absolute lightyears ahead of Ronaldo's, being better at fucking heading and penalties hardly compensates for that. I can understand a personal preference for Ronaldo stylistically or whatever, and I can even understand thinking Ronaldo is more clutch (don't really agree but whatever), can't fathom how anyone unbiased who's seen a decent amount of both players could think Ronaldo is actually better

Ronaldo's dribbling was goat tier when he was young
Watch a highlight video of his stepovers

His dribbling was definitely better at United but still a long way from Messi level.

>with that underdog team that was Alex Ferguson's Man Utd
as opposed to Messi's shitty teams with Neymar Suarez Henry Etoo Zlatan Villa. any retard can assist those guys and look like le epic playmaker