The fact that he does not use the quantize function, I think it’s crazy, because I just don’t see why you’d do that. And it sounds sloppy. I mean, some of it is really bad. Really, it sounds like he sat by his sampler and started to slap his keys randomly. Just put his hand on some of the keys. And whatever the sounds came out is what came out. But people love it???!
Man, his beats are so sloppy.
This is bait...right?
Overly quantizing something can lead to it not having swing and sounding robotic/uncharismatic, but....
Yeah RZA is SUPER hit/miss. Half of his beats are literally off-beat garbage. He's made some classics, but I think for the most part he was throwing shit against the wall and some of it stuck. He's praised as a genius because he started the Wu-Tang Clan, but as a producer....nah. Super overrated.
Gfk, Rae, and Meth are the 3 Kings of WTC.
If I’m not mistaken Dilla didn’t quantize either but I might be wrong
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His beats are mediocre and sloppy too
don't talk shit about my father
lmaoing at people without a sharp rythmic sense
RZA doesn't have a sharp rhythmic sense. It's not subtle, it's sloppy. Not even so much the drums, but the samples half the time
His shitty sampling is literally why Wu Tang is good though
i agree he has some weird cuts but if you think he left the wacky parts in by accident you are mistaken. me and lots of other people like him for his off beat style actually, of course its not everyones cup of tea.
the homegrown jank self-taught sound is part of why wutang ever had appeal in the first place. it sounds organic, like it was made at home and not in a studio. it's was the 90's rap equivalent of lo-fi, in a way. of course it doesn't sound so great today but for what it was it was unique and appealed to a lot of people. it's one of those things you either get or you don't
lol this is some tasty bait.
All I know is the afro samurai soundtrack has God tier production
>it's one of those things you either get or you don't
I get it, I just don't prefer it.
Even Raekwon said he would have much rather Cuban Linx have a clean sound to it, and his vision for the album was to be something clean-sounding and grandiose, like the stuff Puffy was doing at the time.
It was RZA's vision, but everyone had to adhere to it, regardless of THEIR vision, unfortunately.
He did not. It was all by hand which was a large part of the sound.
I guess music with live drumming is sloppy, because it's unquantized. real life doesn't fit on a grid
there's a difference between someone that actually plays the drums and practices everyday, and someone that drums in a few bars on a midi controller twice a week
yes well everyone has their own preferences. part of being an adult is recognizing this and accepting the fact that people like things that you don't like, especially when it comes down to things that are purely preferential like musical sensibility.
>"But people love it???!"
yes, they do, for the same reasons you dislike it. if you're not OP then disregard the rant. the part about raekwon, neither of us know what went on behind the scenes. if raekwon didn't like the way the album sounded he should've went somewhere else, if he was contractually obligated to participate then he shouldn't have signed the contract if he didn't want to relinquish his creative rights. who knows why the album turned out the way it did if Raekwon didn't want it to sound like that? plus an album is a collaborative effort, the producer is as much of the artist on an album as the rapper is
>Gfk, Rae, and Meth are the 3 Kings of WTC
No ODB, opinion discarded.
Post examples! This thread sucks without embedded examples
>No ODB
ODB was a nonsensical mascot, and didn't even write his own rhymes
this thread is for people that already listen to wutang music to talk about wutang music. if you don't know what we're talking about, perhaps consider going and listening to it yourself and coming back here to discuss it with us afterwards. it's a simple as opening a new tab and searching for rza produced songs, which you can find by googling. you want to participate in the discussion but don't want to do the work that enables you to? fuck off, i'm not your mother
Wow attitude!
Ive been listening to wutang for like 15 years, i dont know what youre talking about, can you point out one track where it’s particularly obvious?
if it's taken you 15 years to tell rza's beats are syncopated i don't really want to encourage you to participate to be honest
But syncopation is not sloppy unquantized, I thought you were saying that he plays off beat (to detriment of the music)
i'm not op and don't think it's detrimental. i like most of RZA's beats.
>there are people who haven't seen this kino
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lmao 0:54 he uses the quantize funciton
LMAO wtf am I listening to
it's like he doesn't even know what sounds go where. This is....REALLY bad
Impressed by his accuracy with the pitch shift wheel toward the end. The beat he made is shit, but he’s just there to sell headphones.
What about GZA?
Youève got it wrong. RZA used breaks more often than Dilla, who practically never used them, and spent all his time programming his samples right. I mean Flylo didn't quantize or mix Cosmogramma, and look at how clean the drums sound on that and Los Angeles, where that was his whole style: the wonky synths and unquantized hifi drums.
The lo-fi grimey aesthetic that he created ended up being very influential though, for everyone else was going for really large sounds like that of the west and south in the mainstream (there were still really grimey and minimalistic casettes coming out of the south and the midwest though). RZA taking the opposite route and achieving success opened up a lot of opportunities for other electronic artists, rappers, and producers. That, with the out of tune synths and eastern influences that are still found to this day.
People itt saying RZA doesnt quantize have yet to provide one example, meanwhile here’s an actual video showing him using that very function OP, explain
I'm going to get a lot of flack for this, but GZA is too unnecessarily wordy. It's like every bar he has to use some big words, and it comes off as forced and doesn't fit the beat all that well (not flow-wise, just the way the words roll off the tongue and match the mood of the track he's rapping on).
With that being said, Liquid Swords is a great album. But GZA is not top 3 in WTC for me.
Why do you think his shit doesn't fly well with the overall mood of the track he's on? Can you get a bit more specific because so far I don't really see it.
Agree with Method though, he's probably my favorite out of the whole group.
>Agree with Method though, he's probably my favorite out of the whole group.
Do you like Method's solo records? I find them much worse than his work collaborating on WTC projects.
topically, it matches, but just delivery-wise, it doesn't fit all that well. It's hard to get super-technical about it, because to me it's more of a feeling than anything concrete that you can point out.
Yeah, on 36 chambers. On his own first album is where he really fleshed out his style properly, and he was also given an opportunity to do the hooks properly for the first time in his life. He had a whole skillset that was undercut on 36 chambers: his singing, which elevated his singles to mainstream-level popularity. He was lyrical in a different way to the other wutang members. He was more of a vast aire: someone who could make you hit the floor while remaining unexpected in flow and cadence. Only ODB could have a five minute skit as the first song on the album. Only ODB could do a 3 minute 10 person posse track. Only ODB could start mock-opera singing in the middle of his songs. Only ODB could imitate a police siren with his voice and have it go on for 30 seconds. He was the human embodiment of Wu-tang's style: grimey.
Oh, so I guess it's personal preference and shit along those lines, eh? Aight, understandable.
You're wrong and 36 Chambers is one of the best produced Hip Hop albums of all time, but much respect to you for creating a topic about Hip Hop that is actually good instead of yet another post about millennial mumblecore and meme shit that only soibois listen to.
>Yeah, on 36 chambers.
read it again, the article references RETURN to the 36 chambers, aka his first solo album.
That's not quantizing idiot. That's a metronome.
>that only soibois listen to.
my favorite rapper is Ghostface, but I also listen to Playboi Carti. stop putting people's taste in boxes
Look at 0:54 he uses the quantize function to fix the timing for what he’s just played on the pads.
It sounds more like he just took lines he heard them say every now and then, then they actually sitting down to write the album for him.
My point still stands that ODB def. doesn't deserve to be in the top 3 of WTC. Ghost, Rae, and Meth are all better, and have better discographies.
This was fucking embarrassing... it sounds like a person who just found FL using the default samples.
Meth definitely does not have a better discog. than ODB
ODB had a good debut, a mediocre follow up, and then died before releasing his roc-a-fella mixtape lol