>Sen.Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) on Wednesday announced that he will introduce legislation banning "manipulative" online game features he says can push children to become addicted to technology.
What are your thoughts on this? Should the GOP be able to ban and censor videogames?
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taking away our freedoms
usa hasn't had freedoms since september 10, 2001
the terrorists won
Yes, goy. Give us, err I mean, give the government more power. Good goy.
he's right loot boxes are aids and should die this will hit western devs. the hardest fuck those SJW and PC faggots.
Thanks to the Republicans aka the party of "small government".
Monetization strategies are not art.
Therefore they should be regulated.
>People in this thread will defend gambling and other similar shit that Activision and EA pushes on minors.
This doesn't "ban and censor" shit, it just makes it harder for the big studios to fuck you by selling you half a game and forcing you to pay up again for the rest of it
He looks like Nick Cage
>"people"
you mean shills
to be fair plenty of corporate democrats went along with it because they're getting the same paychecks
>What are your thoughts on this?
It's way too late to stop it now. And you can never truly ban gambling.
>Should the GOP be able to ban and censor videogames?
But it isn't a ban or a censor. It is basically wanting more restrictions on that streaming give away in game currency or skins shit, how easily M/T are in games. And basically if there maybe should be an M/T limit like an age limit on future games. Like games made for like 15 and up allow M/T but anything under 15 shouldn't have M/T That is my theory anyhow.
>Hawley'sProtecting Children from Abusive Games Act would prohibit games geared toward children fromimplementing features thatprompt users to payreal-world moneyto advance in the game, called "pay-to-win," or receive rewards at random for a fee, called "loot boxes."
This will literally kill Fortnite, and Epic Games by extension. They rely on Fortnite lootboxes to make any profit nowadays.
holy shit he looks like nicolas cage!
>same paychecks
Who is bribing politicians to ban lootboxes?
its only for games rated under m so who cares.
you mean since december 22, 1913
Loot boxes aren't going anywhere, but they'll probably be curbed a bit. They'll be taxed too.
Surprised it took this long to get some legislation
Trump I guess, given that it's his people that are pushing this shit. Dumbass probably caught his son buying Fortnite shit and now wants it banned.
came here to say this
Sure. Certain kind of manipulation is already banned from TV. People should be protected from using retarded psychological tricks in products they buy if possible.
>The Entertainment Software Association, the video game industry lobbyist group, sent over a statement shortly after this bill was introduced: “Numerous countries, including Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom, determined that loot boxes do not constitute gambling. We look forward to sharing with the senator the tools and information the industry already provides that keeps the control of in-game spending in parents’ hands. Parents already have the ability to limit or prohibit in-game purchases with easy to use parental controls.”
Based ESA smacking down Republitards.
Who are you to judge what is and isn't art?
The Supreme Court does not consider monetization as art.
Therefore it can be regulated.
>we are living in a timeline where Republicans are the ones trying to save vidya and Democrats are trying to censor everything
What a time to be alive.
every living person has that right you fuck
He looks young enough that he may actually understand video games.
nah way too much money in that for all the right pockets to not get lined.
At the very most they'll ask for some half assed age verification like everything else on the internet.
If kids were bypassing age restrictions to trade crypto then that won't change anything though.
/ourguy/
i bet he browses Yea Forums too
why does he look like nicolas cage
Good. Fuck modern video game companies for ruining every franchise I ever loved. I hope they get bombarded with red tape from big daddy government and have to downsize, and fire most of their cancerous HR departments and diversity hires. Maybe then we'll get good games again.
I hope this just kills the industry outright, it hasn’t produced anything of value in years
Brave guy with his heart in the right place (and I’m not even a Republican) but this isn’t likely to go far. The lobbyists are already jumping into the conversation to push back against any idea that the companies they represent are doing anything exploitative or immoral. They’re even coming back with the same canned “LOOTBOXES ANREN’T GAMBLING!” response, even though nobody said gambling, they said manipulative and designed to create addictive behaviors, which is true.
>ban stuff that can make you "addicted to technology"
So they are banning Instagram?
>Have a child with no concept of money or the value of a dollar
>Give him your credit card information because he is not legally allowed to have one himself until age 18
>Give him a tablet full of freemium microtransaction garbage games while you neglect your parental duties and waste your life shitposting in political bait threads on Yea Forums
>It's the corporation's fault and the government has the duty to stop them because you're dipshit kid bought a bunch of hearthstone cards
Why are Americans so fat, lazy and stupid? I thought the entire point of their country was to get the government out of their lives and allow people to govern themselves?
>EU starts banning Lootboxes first (Belgium/Brussels)
>somehow Americans are bad for it
It's a predatory act led to feed off of people's habits/impulses, they know how it works.
The video game lobby is inconsequential. They need to step up their bribery game.
The family unit was demonized and slandered until it was entirely destroyed, despite leagues of evidence that doing so is a fucking terrible idea. Now every family is dysfunctional and parents are not allowed the time to even get to know their children, let alone actually do any parenting.
Feminism is a hell of a drug.
Hopefully some day. But everyones gotta start somewhere
NOT THE BEES
The ESRB is already on damage control even though the guy is mainly targeting pay to win and ridiculous grinding stuff like in EA games.
>Government regulating vidya win conditions
When will they start going after ableism and forcing games to have easy modes?
He look like if Nick Cage pretended to be Steve Rogers
I play a gacha game, I'm a "shill", the company gives me in game stuff to promote the game, thing is said game as gacha stuff, I actually decided to give it a try and spent the equivalent of $100 gambling and got jackshit, I was actually mad as fuck and it wasn't even my money.
How do whales deal with this?
The bill doesn't do anything to prevent 'In-Game Currencies' being used instead. It's a complete joke written and pushed by a joke. And you are a joke if you support it.
>Should the GOP be able to ban and censor videogames?
Who gives a shit. If retards get to ban and censor games over violence or sexual content or whatever the fuck else, then why shouldn't their opposition be able to do the same for their own reasons?
It's all or nothing.
But it's pretty obvious "manipulative features" will expand to include all sorts of shit, because boatloads of things in life are addictive.
Great
what are the odds this guys kid just spent 5k of daddy's money on jurassic park or whatever when he wasn't looking?
problem is the leglislation is so vague it will ban dlc
So, you bought another lootbox...
Read this guys before you start talking about " Censorship "
hawley.senate.gov
>Why are Americans so fat, lazy and stupid?
Because anything else would have you thinking about someone else and I need you here thinking about us. We get jealous easy.
>something that impacts big jew about to happen
>suddenly 5 GUBMINT BAD threads up at any time
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>Wanting to be controlled and abused by corporations
>Government control bad, but corporate control fine
That's a nice cute little pdf, but I would be interested in the actual letter of the law.
Has contrarianism gone too far?
>muh americans
Fuck off, it was europoors who got the Game Corner removed from Pokemon. A fucking, non-monetized minigame that slightly resembles slots vs manipulative skinner boxes designed to trick kids and whales into wasting welfare money
Cope
based
>Fortnite
>Lootboxes
As if anyone plays stw
The battle royale mode doesn't even have lootboxes, retard.
Joe Biden wrote the original draft of the Patriot Act friend
republicans and democrats both need to be gassed
>Should the GOP be able to ban and censor videogames?
Yes, of course. Republicans deserve all the power in the world. Fight back against the slaughter of the white race.
People don't get it, they're doing this as a way to get gaming lobbyists, shut up, they exist, to start cutting Uncle Sam in on that money
Fuck the government
> spent the equivalent of $100 gambling and got jackshit
>How do whales deal with this?
They literally just spend more, that's why they're whales. In all the games I've played that have these boxes any whale I knew went in expecting to spend a few hundred at least to get what they want, 100 is nothing to them.
You either live with the government on your ass or the corporations, your choice
The government in this scenario isn’t going after you it’s going after the corporations.
>passing a bill that harm video game companies profits
>while Trump's brother is on Zenimax's board
I doubt it
It bans DLC, all big or small.
And in what way does restricting personal freedom hurt corporations?
Even if it did hurt corporations, who do you think works for corporations?
I hope they ban all modern videogames so the industry can crash and burn. Maybe if the industry goes back to simple games like we had in the 80s they would lift the ban.
Based. Fuck DLC in the first place.
Republicans have flipped on many issues because of Trump. Party is dead yo.
This is what they get for pushing them so hard. 100 hours just to unlock a skin in a game that already costs $60? Fuck you EA, I hope this destroys you.
So if they aren't republicans anymore what's the new name? Trumpicans? I'm actually curious where they're gonna end up after Trump's terms. The dude's kids are nowhere near the star power the old man is and nobody sane thinks a dem would win after Trump either, they always blow it somehow and their own purity tests will keep them out of the white house for at least another decade
Based senator will save vidya
I think the Republican party will simply be the trump and trump like party. Republican values will need a new home unless Christian's are still ok with being huge hypocrites over supporting Trump.
>And in what way does restricting personal freedom hurt corporations?
You’re stopping them from engaging in predatory business practices that hurt you the consumer. Stopping companies from putting lead in children’s toys isn’t restricting freedom and neither is this.
>Even if it did hurt corporations, who do you think works for corporations?
It’s mainly overworked, underpaid workers who don’t benefit from loot boxes nearly as much as the owners of the company do
if Trump wins in 2020 I can't even begin to imagine the insanity that will take place in 2024.
gonna be a good show, though
Christian's are still ok with being huge hypocrites
NeoCons works for the most part
Not really, Trump stopped them from flip flopping as they have been doing for years
oh so gachashit is safe then
last year a senator had a thread up on pol with his card details blurred out and was shitposting and answering questions. is he delivering on that aussie who got the quints and demanded something be done about fagnite? someone post the screencaps
How are they hypocrites? Trump isn't supporting the murder of children, liberals vehemently endorse it. He also supports Christianity. Easy choice.
He has his vices and sins, as everyone does.
>giving the government more power, ever
This will surely not have any unforeseen consequences
Yep. You're paying for the currency, not the items, so it's a loophole.
Even though I support this particular piece of legislation I'd prefer if the government stayed out of vidya because this is a slippery fucking slope, but the industry refused to see the writing on the wall and didn't self regulate, and now the Feds are getting involved. THANKS EA!
Really simple solution, don't let vidya be a substitute for parenting
>He has his vices and sins, as everyone does.
Shitty excuses.
This is why I hate current conservatives.
No spine. They might as well be liberals.
hopefully it kills gachashit
>He also supports Christianity.
*He supports Israel
>B-BUT REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP WILL SAVE VIDYA
face it, both parties hate vidya
Skinner boxes should be illegal, especially mobile clicker games
>He thinks the Neo-Cons were always the forefront of the Republican party
It's like saying the Democratic party was always lead by people like Lyndon "I’ll have those niggers voting democratic for 200 years" Johnson
Gubmint is bad though
He is the antithesis to nearly every Christian value.
What the fuck this is actually based.
America is one crazy country
What's wrong with you retards? Loot boxes and micro transactions are destroying video games. Why wouldn't you want them banned?
>trump will save vidya
not even a trump follower would believe it.
Republicans are going to save vidya in the short term because lootboxes are absolute cancer, but the next time we have a Democrat in power we're going to have Australia tier censorship because now the government has legal precedent to get involved in the videogame industry. All because EA flew too close to the fucking sun.
>Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act
>PCFAG Act
because the dude's a republican
nothing good can come from those lying bastards
Because I don't want the government deciding what's OK in games, because there's absolutely no way that it stops at lootboxes
>Trump isn't supporting the murder of children, liberals vehemently endorse it.
In which deluded fantasy world of hatred and bullshit do you live, kid?
He's talking about abortion you brainlet.
>duuhhh, what's abortion
Why would you prefer the government to keep its nose out of something that is literally doing nothing but getting the rich richer and actively destroying the quality:price ratio of video games?
Really though. As it better to be an evil corporation bootlicker than to let your government step in and stop them from being evil, even if it is perhaps slightly not ideal for you personally at the time?
>cnn.com
shortly thereafter he had some major scandals, wonder why
Ban it for kids? Meaning all video games with loot boxes would have to be rated AO? Absolutely.
Ban it for adults? Not so much. I'm a gambling addict, so I know how bad it can be, but it's my own fault and others shouldn't be punished for it.
>WHAT'S the DEAL with all these LOOTBOXES??
That. And bush rule with a iron fist for his first term thanks to 9/11. Most politician were terrified to go against his agenda combined (or else being called a terrorist sympathizer. Which was career suicide) with Cheney's Machiavellian experience. Those two made Washington their bitch in the first term
based
reminder that no good games ever came out during democratic presidents
Pseud detected
Because the government isn't going to stop at lootboxes. You give them an inch and they'll take a mile. What the fuck do you think is going to happen the next time there is a school shooting? They're going to slowly start regulating more and more shit until we can't play anything other than fucking Mario.
Giving any game with loot boxes an AO rating would essentially be a death sentence.
I agree that adults should be allowed to make their own decisions, but what is the deal with all the retards that think unregulated capitalism is a good thing?
Joe is like the jeb of the democrats. Pulls high polls....
Then he talks, and pretty much sounds like opposing side but with different letters by their names. I can't wait for him to crash again. Msm will either latch on Harris,beto or bootigug wtf his name is
Imagine an age where all those huge american companies have to either make great, complete games in order for people to actually buy them or simply move to china to make games and we never hear from them again because they aren't allowed to make money off you guys anymore.
Is it finally time for the small-time creative lads to take back the production of vidya?
On the one hand I really hate loot boxes and gacha shit but on the other literally every time the government tries to enforce something usually it ends in a step backwards, not forwards.
Shut the fuck up faggot. Pull your face off the corps boot for two seconds and realize that there is nothing wrong with regulated capitalism and regulating predatory business practices.
I can’t believe that there are people who unironically support loot boxes
>Giving any game with loot boxes an AO rating would essentially be a death sentence.
That's the point.
> but what is the deal with all the retards that think unregulated capitalism is a good thing?
The less regulations the better.
>What the fuck do you think is going to happen the next time there is a school shooting?
there's been several since Trump's little meet and greet on vidya, and that was nowhere near the hysteria of the Jack Thompson days.
why are you acting like this would somehow open the floodgates, while the best time for any anti-vidya laws would've been after Columbine?
t. zoomer
90s vidya was fucking kino.
You're a damn fool if you think this bill would be anything other than a temporary inconvenience to the EA/Activision/whoever
you're right, we should abolish the EPA
Selling untested drugs to children is art.
>but what is the deal with all the retards that think unregulated capitalism is a good thing?
The guy you replied to literally said he's for regulation in regards to children
>that’s the point
Exactly. Limited regulation banning loot boxes for under 18 will save gaming, or at least it will be a step in the right direction
>less regulations the better
Sure, but no regulation has historically allowed corporations to fuck over everyone
Right now, we’re literally using government in the way it is meant to be used: as a tool of the people to regulate predatory practices of corporations
Americans see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires and act like they are just about to break out of the rat race. Tax is theft, unions are communism and government regulations are a declaration of war on freedom.
Also wanted to point out that only reason Obama picked him as a vp was because he was old,white protestant. He was lobbed, except I'd argue that lbj was crazy and more competent versus biden stale white bread personality
Who the fuck said I support them? The industry needs to SELF REGULATE so that the fucking government doesn't get involved in the first place, hence why the ESRB system exists, but apparently we can't fucking have that because publishers are too retarded to read the writing on the fucking wall.
I can tell you haven't been playing video games very long my friend, because we are already nearing the bottom of that slope with a ridiculous velocity.
This is not the same as censorship, and you have to be an absolute nu-"anarchist" bootlicker to not be able to see the difference.
The industry has become AWFUL and predatory, and if someone with more authority than the media corporations want to shit that shit down, fucking good. It will only pave the way for new devs who don't want to/can't rely on stealing money from kids to come out and play
Actual gambling is already heavily regulated
I wasn’t referring to him, just a general statement regarding all the bootlickers on Yea Forums
We unironically should. The EPA does buttfuck nothing and is a gigantic waste of tax dollars.
>imagine
>you're a god damn fool for thinking with your brains upon the possibilities if the industry follows this path
>just turn it off and vidya like i do bro
>but no regulation has historically allowed corporations to fuck over everyone
Sometimes, but generally it's the consumer's fault, because in the end they're literally the ones giving these companies money.
No one wants to put in the effort to become a responsible consumer, learn about things, and be willing to *gasp* go without something you want for awhile in order to boycott. So I don't feel bad 95% of the time corporations fuck people over, because the people ask for the fucking.
You know how many of my friends complain about lootboxes and censorship but still buy boxes and buy games with censorship? These are the people we need the goverment to come in and coddle by removing freedoms from companies? Fuck no.
>huurrrrrr why aren’t corporations self regulating??? It’s totally in their best interests!!
Nah guys don't worry the free market will fix itself like it always does
>whataboutism
I unironically miss rare pepe posting.
What the free market is: Most people getting what they want
What retards think the free market is: People will only sell and buy things that I deem is appropriate.
Loot boxes make insane amount of money and little to no one is willing to boycott games that have them? Guess what faggot, that's the free market saying that's the best outcome.
This is a slippery slope fallacy. There's no evidence to suggest that regulations on a business practice will lead to full on government censorship in a country that gave first amendment protections to video games less than ten years ago from the highest court which is now currently stacked with conservative justices.
That isn't whataboutism, dipshit.
>what is ESRB
I don't want the government involved in the video game industry
>just vote with your wallet bro
>*whale buys $10,000 worth of loot boxes*
>*company uses predatory psychological practices, the same ones used in casinos, to influence minors to gamble and get addicted to buying loot boxes (gambling)*
>the free market will always sort itself out bro. It’s the consumers fault if these predatory practices continue
ESRB is literally corporations self regulating
If you're blaming the systemic problems of an industry on consumers you are at best unserious about fixing problems and just want to use them as a cudgel, and at worse actively running interference for corporations by shifting blame to a group so large culpability is flattened
>*whale buys $10,000 worth of loot boxes*
Don't forget the millions of people who buy the game, they may not buy the lootboxes, but they're buying the game itself, which means they're giving it the okay.
If no one except for whales put a penny into a game? Then the companies would cut the shit.
>>*company uses predatory psychological practices, the same ones used in casinos, to influence minors to gamble and get addicted to buying loot boxes (gambling)*
I agree it shouldn't be allowed to be used by minors, kids aren't apart of the free market, they have little to no rights, they're barely citizens.
Ah yes because that’s totally working out great so far
The system wouldn't exist without the consumer.
The system can not act without the consumer's support.
Simple as that.
This is fine by me.
-Citizen of Missouri
they would just charge like 5$ to buy fortnite in the US
>ban and censor videogames
You mean lootboxes
And its corrupt and more or less a puppet to push blame away from companies
Exactly! There should be no regulations whatsoever. That's best for all of us
i hope its just a ban for Teen and lower games. that way the people who get fucked the most is 2k and EA.
>Don't forget the millions of people who buy the game, they may not buy the lootboxes, but they're buying the game itself, which means they're giving it the okay.
Your average person doesn't see it that way. The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not consider playing the game a form of supporting lootboxes despite not actually buying lootboxes
Nothing you do or say will ever change that.
Ha ha, oh God, you're one of those people, huh?
The free market isn't a mechanism that performs perfect if you leave it alone. I know, I know, you wish it was because you live in a fantasy world.
Regulation of the market from customer backlash is literally the consumer's voice in the marketplace. It is literally the same as voting with your wallet.
Businesses will engage in practices that are against the good of the customer. When a majority of customers says, "Hey, this isn't right," and the market is changed accordingly, you... Why do you have a stake in crying about it? It's lootboxes.
Videogames were fine well before them. Funny thing is, this is close to the slippery slope end game Yea Forums talked about when DLC got worse and worse a decade ago.
Most libertarians are children or have arrested development. I am not surprised these things have to be explained to you.
Subhuman shitsking literally don't know the meaning of "parenting". You think saying "hey be a good goy and don't spend your year's wage on fanny box" will do anything for a whale you retarded dipshit shitposter.
new slew of highly epic violent/sexual profit making games incoming in the future, boys
>The free market isn't a mechanism that performs perfect if you leave it alone.
Yeah I literally say that in the post you're replying to. Not gonna bother reading the rest of your shit if you can't bother to read mine.
The system literally exists because of the companies who implement them.
Consumers have no say on what gets puts on offer, they can only choose whats on offer.
You are deflecting blame because you genuinely don't care about addressing the issue.
I get that, but that's their flaw, not the company's.
>because of the companies
Who funds the companies?
Holy fuck you lads need to go back to highschool before you ever vote again. I don't even live in your country and it makes me worry for you that people like you will be the age of majority eventually.
>it's the consumers fault bro don't lash at at the poor widdle giant evil megacorporations.
>i don't work for them or have any ties, i just mindlessly consume their products and will pay any amount of my dollars for them!
If you did work for them your stance would change.
Braindeads like yourselves don't realize that capitalism ONLY works if there is an ENORMOUS amount of sheep who are absolutely fine with getting fucked always by richer "elites," look at fucking china. Our entire society literally functions off their slavery and overall horrible lives. Do you want to be the fucking ant people?
Then i recommend stop taking the corporate dick.
If you're that desperate to get fucked, just come over and I'll put it in you. ;)
I people would just stop being retards who pay money for shitty, manipulative games, this kind of legislation wouldn't be necessary.
Your own shitty consumption habits are giving the power to control what games can be made.
>if no one except for whales put a penny into the game the companies would cut the shit
No
For example, GTA5 was one of the best selling video games ever. It made ludicrous amounts of money just with the base sales. The amount of money they made from shark cards eclipsed the sales of the base game. (Obviously this isn’t lootboxes, but it shows how profitable whales are)
I can't fucking escape politics, can I. I can't escspe. I want all politics posting banned on here. For the love of god I'm so fucking sick of politics.
The practice should be banned because it makes games shittier.
However it will only mean all developers will concentrate on chinese market even further since the Chinese love to gamble and spend tons on loot boxes.
Make alternate outfits unlockable again.
Just make publishers surface how fuckin awful their business practices are with a tobacco-style warning at every possible junction. There should be stickers on everything with high fructose corn syrup too, so you know it's horseshit
>i don't work for them or have any ties, i just mindlessly consume their products and will pay any amount of my dollars for them!
You're telling me to go back to high school while unironically straw manning?
Thank god you don't live in my country.
Are you seriously implying companies can't be held responsible for their actions and have no agency because consumers fund them
>Unironically trying to pretend that one of the highest selling pieces of media on the planet is the rule and not the exception
Western gaming has gone to shit, what's there to defend?
Amazing how we can be fat, lazy, and stupid yet you're here speaking English, the language America made universal.
It's not their flaw. It's the companies fault for selling lootboxes in the first place. Otherwise you might as well get rid of food safety regulations and companies should be allowed to sell rotten toxic food since its everyone elses fault for allowing them to stay in business.
I like the way you think.
That is the single best reason to support this lol, along with killing mobile shit
This harms China more than anyone else, tencent will stop profiting off of Americans
They have their own responsibilities, sure.
But overall, businesses practices like lootboxes are the result of the consumer and not the producer.
>WOW GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU AS FUCKING WOKE AS I AM FOR NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS FOR THE 10000000TH TIME TODAY
Regulating a demonstrably shitty business practice does not equate to ceding artistic power over what kinds of games are allowed and you are profoundly retarded if you believe otherwise.
Just be happy that they're fighting for your freedoms so you don't have to.
>It's the companies fault for selling lootboxes in the first place
It's their fault for literally giving people what they want?
Should companies just ignore their consumers and just throw random shit into the ether?
What are you even trying to say, do you not understand the implications of greentext?
Its always the smug anime girls and top tier retarded posts together with you people.
Ok we can look at LITERALLY any F2P game on the market right now and you will see that they are ridiculously successful because whales prop them up.
Look at fucking star citizen. If that’s not an example of a game propped up on the life saving of whales I don’t know what to tell you
Business practices like lootboxes are objectively the result of said businesses creating and implementing those practices. Again you're deflecting and shifting the blame.
Who is fighting for my freedoms? What the fuck makes you think I'm from lard land?
Most people don't want lootboxes. And no, falsely equating people who play games with lootboxes with the extreme minority of people who actually buy lootboxes doesn't change that fact.
I'm a right leaning libertarian, and I still want to dislike this Republican introduced bill on principle, but I just can't get mad at someone trying to ban loot boxes.
>being this upset
Just to be clear, Europe started the whole “legislate lootboxes” thing, and as an American I’m glad they did. I’m also glad we’re following suit
At this point? They could probably stay static and grow on interest if they so pleased. Of course with the F. Reserve inflating currency they're forced to continue to expand else we'd have some sort of cataclysm because the system has gained too much inertia, slowing it down snaps everybody's neck.
It's the concept of too big to fail, basically they will accrue capital even in the smallest of markets because of the sheer economy of scale. They're not making money from the 100,000 pennies some schmucks tossed at them, they're making money from the two dozen whales that dump their savings into a game, the addicts, the abusers, gamblers and so on. This is on the record, by the way.
Sunken cost fallacy plays into it for a lot of people when it comes to DLC, each incremental release making it increasingly easy to justify the next. "Oh, I spent $90 on this game already, I guess I might as well put the next $20 in." ad infinitum. Of course it doesn't go on forever and the developers release a new base after the period for late adopters finally nosedives. And then it repeats.
You've seen those CoD Steam screenshots of boycott groups playing CoD despite the fact their demands weren't acknowledged or met?
I forgot freedom can only exist in America.....
Skinner box games are shitty and should be banned.
>People who grew up through the decades of not only right wing but left wing authoritarians trying to censor and kill their hobby via the goverment because those people didn't see the merit in video games are now unironically turning around trying to kill loot boxes via goverment regulation because they don't see the merit in loot boxes.
>B-but you can't compare an ACTUAL PRODUCT to a lootbox!
Tell to the boomers who can't fucking tell the difference.
Think critically for half a fucking second, if you can stop video game companies from producing lootboxes, why stop there? How about they just can't make DLC? Or they can't make games (x) hours long? Or games with gore or nudity? There is no objective merit (and no, no matter how DESPERATELY you wish it was, your opinions and views aren't universal and never will be, and you need to understand and account for that reality) to any of this shit, any justification you can use to remove some bits you can use to remove even more bits.
Just stop buying fucking loot boxes, stop buying games that have loot boxes, and if the majority keep doing so, guess what? Too fucking bad, the majority has decided that's what they are willing to tolerate and majority rules, for better or worse. I get a lot of you are sheltered and weren't really told "no" a lot growing up, but it's time to learn that the world doesn't revolve around you and never will.
That explains why these companies implementing lootboxes hire psychologists to help design them. You know because they're giving people what they want.
Tbh I like lootboxes, it allows me to play games for free and get constant free updates. Say what you want about GTA Online but I bought it for $17 three summers ago, and I've played over 3,500 hours without spending any money on any of the 10 or so updates they dropped. Without lootboxes I'd be forced to spend $20 on EACH of those updates. With lootboxes I can let retards pay for me and since I have friends I have no problem making money legitimately.
Why are gaymers so mad about Cosmetics being purchasable? Just don't buy them
Whales don’t represent the population
Voting with your wallet does not work
The consumers are fucking idiots.
I literally wrote a research paper about this issue in my english course
Reality 1:
No lootboxes
Game costs $60
Each update costs $20
Reality 2:
Cosmetic lootboxes
Free game
Free updates
Which is better?
I do, but maybe you don't.
Just because I'm not willing to put a gun to a company's head to stop them from making shit doesn't mean I mindlessly consume everything a company makes, you absolute fucking retard.
I don't give a fuck what you say at this point, you know you fucked up because you're probably 15 fucking years old and think in extremes like the little fucktard you are.
Practices that aren't self sustaining, someone has to be pouring money into it COUGHTHECONSUMERCOUGH
Stop buying games with lootboxes.
Question: Why shouldn't companies cater to those who will make them the most money? Why do you feel entitled that these companies sacrifice profits for...you?
>Tell to the boomers who can't fucking tell the difference.
You mean like most of Yea Forums conflating regulations on lootboxes with censorship and using retarded slipperly slope fallacies like you.
Most people don't buy fucking lootboxes, And no, falsely equating people who play games with lootboxes with the extreme minority of people who actually buy lootboxes doesn't change that fact. You've now moved the posts from "what most people want" to "what most people are willing to tolerate". Also calling people sheltered while posting asinine "don't like it don't buy it" rheotric just shows a complete lack of self awareness on your part. You're completely out of touch with how the world works
This tbqh famalamadingdong. Also, fuck it, the govt regulates the shit out of everything, it might as well fuck over EA, too.
Absolute brainlet post
Lootboxes are literally gambling. Gambling is regulated in real life in casinos. Gambling should also be regulated in video games. It’s as simple as that
The fact that you’re arguing that lootboxes make gaming better is pretty sad
If you buy games with lootboxes, you are saying "I am okay with games that have lootboxes"
No one gives two fucks about your intentions or secret desires.
Most of us stopped buying those games a long time ago, it doesn't matter faggot. You're literally defending the tyranny of the minority by conflating lootboxes with games themselves.
>The fact that you’re arguing that lootboxes make gaming better is pretty sad
mind quoting where he does that?
Dems and Republicans are both zionist controlled puppets who hate video games.
>Most of us stopped buying those games a long time ago
Wrong.
>ou're literally defending the tyranny of the minority
The majority of people buy games with lootboxes.
>If you buy games with lootboxes, you are saying "I am okay with games that have lootboxes"
That's not how it works. And I don't buy games with lootboxes. You're the one assigning secret intentions unto everyone else who just buys these games.
They didn't make a good product. They're exploiting a mental defect that makes randomization addictive.
It's the bigger picture, people who love lootboxes REALLY love lootbox type things and cut content as dlc. So these minority of retards fund the shit out of these shitty practices, so the producers of product then think that this is the best way to make a game, both in terms of "what gaymers want" and to turn a profit, since the money in their hands is screaming nothing but SUCCESSFUL at them.
And living through the past 20 years (humans are fully retarded before 10 so those years don't count) of actually really playing video games as my core hobby and never purchasing a single lootbox, while watching the industry change, i am the one getting fucked over in the end.
Yea Forums are literal SJWs when it comes to lootboxes
>I'm not going to buy your shit anyway but you should cater to me!
>If you don't I'll get the goverment to beat you up :)
The reality where any of those is real.
>unironically turning around trying to kill loot boxes via goverment regulation because they don't see the merit in loot boxes.
There is no merit in lootboxes. There is no argument for them. They actively make video games worse
>That's not how it works
Yes it is.
My evidence is the current industry we're in.
Your evidence it's not how that works? Your ass.
>Wrong.
Nope. Yea Forums isn't the majority of people, so telling people here not to buy those games as if its a solution is just wasting oxygen.
>The majority of people buy games with lootboxes.
The majority of people do not buy lootboxes
The majority of people do not want lootboxes
Stop conflating the two.
How about:
Competent developers released finished products at full retail price with complete campaigns and trickle new content in and charge base price for major updates every year? Pretty sick of picking up a half-assed game and waiting 3 months for the on-disc DLC to unlock so I can spend $15 for an hour and a half of dumpsterfire content.
>They actively make video games worse
in your opinion
>the people using the government as a tool to protect their self interest and save videogames is muh SJW
They still buy games that have lootboxes.
Therefore, we keep getting games with lootboxes.
>The industry pushing for gaas games with lootboxes is evidence that's what people want
You're completely fucking retarded. Stop talking out of your ass.
Please tell me how they could possibly make videogames better?
>released finished products at full retail price with complete campaigns and trickle new content in and charge base price for major updates every year
So reality 1
>Just let them use lead as a sweetener lol. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
libertarian fantasy land strikes again!
Your idiotic gambling does punish me though because you spend so much money on this garbage it outweighs my sensible purchasing decisions.
Holy fuck it's almost rare to see this level of a general seething bootlicker
You are the one seeing things in extremes and refusing to face the reality of the industry as well as the reality of capitalism as a whole.
I only cared to call you retarded for posting your original pathetic, self-destructive post. I care not to teach you how the world worlds.
It's funny though, you claimed I'm strawmanning because you're too fucking dumb to get it but you seem to be the one desperately grasping at straws now to keep your awful, weak opinion relevant.
>Poorfags seething they don't have enough influence
$450 in lootboxes last week for Overwatch, you mad?
This is good. Finally a Republican with the balls to do something about unregulated capitalism. Lootboxes are one of the most cancerous creations of the western video game industry and I for one would love to see the government crack down on them.
Fuck EA, fuck Valve, fuck Ubisoft, fuck Bethesda, and fuck Blizzard.
>Lootboxes are bad
Not an argument.
I don't think they can but it's still just an o
Honestly hope the murder the fuck out of Andrew Wilson's abombination and all the zombies he's gotten to become his slaves.
Anyone who likes lootboxes is not human at this point and is better off dead.
There is no way to vote with your wallet regarding lootboxes because the financial return from low effort only needs a small percentage of the playerbase to really buy into the shit.
You could have 99 players ignore lootboxes but 1 player sink $100 and it winds up being profitable, that alone defeats the common person's ability to just not buy them and expect change.
I wasn't responding to one.
Pointing out a post is opinion isn't an argument either btw.
Nice argument bro.
>Holy fuck it's almost rare to see this level of a general seething bootlicker
I've literally never bought a lootbox in my life, and as of the last 6 years I never bought a game that had censorship in it.
I'm a very responsible consumer, I just have the critical thinking skills to not just decide we should impose on freedoms for my benefit.
The fact you guys can do nothing but strawman me speaks volumes.
Anyone who is saying banning Gacha is a bad thing can fuck off. Gacha is the aids killing gaming. I might actually play games again if they got rid of this crap.
Even if every normal person (who would never buy a lootbox in the first place) refused to buy a game, and all the sales came from whales, the game would still make a huge profit since whales spend a disproportionate amount of money on loot boxes (an amount which eclipses regular sales)
This is documented fact. Voting with your wallet does NOT work
wtf I love Josh Hawley now
I knew horse armor dipshits talking about slippery slope fallcies should have been hanged. This just confirms it.
>There is no way to vote with your wallet regarding lootboxes because the financial return from low effort only needs a small percentage of the playerbase to really buy into the shit.
If you have people boycotting the entire game, that's different.
Or hell, boycott the entire company.
You have options, use them.
>Voting with your wallet does NOT work
Sure it does, just not for you.
Works out for the whales and companies just fine.
World doesn't revolve around you bro.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE VIDEO GAMES?
lmao fuck game devs and fuck western games for ruining videogames
I'd be glad if lootboxes and cancerous microtransactions were regulated out of existence. I typically lean libertarian on issues but the problem with loot boxes and microtransactions is that only 1/100 people has to blow extra money on them for them to be worth implementing and general consumers don't despise extra monitazation as much as they should. So more and more game are getting pressured into it by investors and higher-ups.
I'd vote this man into office.
Most of us already have, turns out they're not actual options since they don't solve the issue at all.
Voting with your wallet only works if the amount spent is the same for everybody. When I vote with my wallet not to buy a game, my vote holds the same value as the guy that did buy the game: $60. When I vote with my wallet not to buy lootboxes, the value proposition gets fucked up. My $60 wallet vote is not equal to the guy spending $500 a week on lootboxes, it's not even close. Voting with your wallet doesn't work when the value of your vote is directly tied to how large your wallet is.
EAT THIS GOVERNMENT BOOT GOY
>I typically lean libertarian on issues but
Typical lolbertarian
It's okay for ME to use the goverment for my own interest, but not you.
So you’re literally proving my point that voting with your wallet doesn’t work
Anyone who defends the complete aids practices perpetuated by the likes of EA or Activision or any of the other shitty devs that push out broken games for premium prices then shove loot boxes in your face for items that make the game barely function deserves to be called a shill.
Gacha games and online card games aren't the same shit as loot boxes. Those games are designed entirely around gambling for virtual game pieces. But when you look at the shit EA has done to its sports games, where the games are literally not even actual games anymore but rather exorbitant gacha games that play themselves, or the shit Bethesda pulled in Fallout 76 where hundreds of bugs prevented the game from being playable but the shop was still loaded with shit for you to buy, it becomes apparent the industry is fucking rotting to the core.
Fucking FGO and LLSIF are more video game than any loot box infested AAA shit out there, because at least gachashit can be played F2P fine, loot box cancer strips away all enjoyability of playing a video game and forces its players to pay up to ever achieve anythingg.
Removing lootboxes won't really do anything. Corporations will still get their money by charging ridiculous prices for new content and will stop doing free-to-play. So instead of 5% of the playerbase paying for the other 95%, everyone will have to pay to play. Enjoy spending $300 per year on your favorite multiplayer games :)
>western games for ruining videogames
How did they ruin video games?
>Works out for the whales and companies just fine.
So the tiny minority of people and the companies that profit off them
The world apparently should revolve around whales. You're literally defending tyranny of the minority.
>Most of us already have
Citation needed? Why are you even trying to pretend like you know the spending habbits of Yea Forums? Do you even know the name of 50 people who post here? Let alone the tens of thousands?
>trust me bro im the most based gamer ever
>also fully retarded with no argumemts
*throw buzzwords at you*
For you.
But it works for others.
You know how like girls with big tits doesn't work for feminist, but it works for others? Same principle.
I'll enjoy watching corporations collapse once they realize most people aren't willing to pay higher prices for content and the market contracts
The world has LITERALLY ALWAYS revolved around the people with the most power and resources, who are always in the minority.
Welcome to planet earth, dipshit.
That looks like a really comfy cat.
See
Good. Fuck normalfags that don't like videogames.
>Strawman someone
>G-gee why aren't they spending time reading the rest of my bullshit?
Well he wasn't wrong
>COMPANIES SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP PROFITS FOR ME
>Why?
>....
>Not being able to buy overpriced in-game gear that you don’t own and can be taken away from you at any time is taking away your personal freedom
Please do us all a favor an choke on the nearest dick possible.
No, it's just a case of a market failure and I don't mind regulation that attempts to fix it.
They don't make games worth their marketing.
>The market is failing because it's not working exactly how I want it
Let me guess, it was Her Turn, right?
Ouch how will i recover
speaking of strawmen
You kids and your egocentric regulations.
Fucking amazing. You retards actually hate games or just love having to spend more money to stay "competitive".
>Lecher
>Multiple wives
>Abhorrent liar
>Is on record sexualizing his daughters
Dude is guilty of literally ever cardinal sin in the book pst murder and the only reason Republicans back him is because they’re in too deep to admit they fucked up.
In case it isn't obvious there's a lot of paid off posters ITT
That was a question, questions can not be strawman.
>Why are you even trying to pretend like you know the spending habbits of Yea Forums?
It doesn't take a genius to realize a board full of pirates and people who reguarly shit on lootboxes and games that have them aren't the ones buying lootboxes. A better question is why are you assuming that most people want lootboxes despite the fact only a tiny minority of players make up the majority of lootbox sales?
It's more about setting a precedent for the gubmit getting more involved with vidya than defending loot crate autism
I've never bought a lootbox before but god damn I'm getting tempted just to spite you goverment bootlickers.
>taking away amoral multibillionaires’ rights
Fixed it for ya bootlicker
So you're just going to ignore the greentext. Alright.
>arguing with mentally ill whales
lmao
>A better question is why are you assuming that most people want lootboxes
Never made that assumption.
You're delusional if you think that. People will pay retarded amounts of money to play games.
And they’ve done fuck all, you bitch ass nigga. Someone needs to check this shit.
Selling shit isn’t art, especially predatory scumfuckery like this
Our freedom to be scammed is sacred.
Then that would make you a corporate boot licker while I'm advocating for the government to act in my own best interests.
Games are ours now, deal with it. The world has LITERALLY ALWAYS revolved around the people with the most power and resources, who are always in the minority.
Welcome to planet earth, dipshit.
Absolutely based
Rent fucking free
While your at it could you swallow some samonela eggs and untested drugs, thanks
>""""games"""""
lmao
skinner boxes are not games
Then why did it "fail" if not just because you're not getting what you want?
Rich people don't piss away their money on video games dumbass.
If only the same could be said about American real estate, lmao
>N-NO STOP ALLOW US TO ABUSE THE GOYS FOREVER
SEETHING trannykikes itt LMAO
I'm not defending a company anymore than I'm defending my own rights.
When you limit the freedom of other's you're limiting them for yourself as well.