Is the gaming bubble popping?

We can only hope so, with a reset we might end up with another couple of good generations before it gets ruined again.

>i can learn coding in a week
if you could, you would still have a job

Western aaa and indies being hit hard. Good fwestern games in the year of 2k19 ol.

this
anyone who thinks it was a bad thing or is now "anti blizzard" or whatever is either a retard who believes every headline or a useless game journo protecting their similarly useless kin

>but the reality is its one of hardest jobs (complex programming)
lmao

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Video games sell millions of billions, but corporativo fucks are angry they don't make trillions of billions. It's some Kafkian fuckery, where video games are fucked because they make truckloads of money but the guys at the top want more and more.

Blame the games media for focusing more on graphics than anything else for most of the 2000s to the point where AAA games have to be as close to photorealism as is feasible, leading to the ballooning budgets without any tempering of expectations to match

there is no bubble, theres just companies hiring a bunch of gender activists to "design and manage" game projects and then the games failing even after spending absurd amounts on marketing. any company who thinks this model is sustainable will collapse. stop hiring activists.

>I can learn coding in a week

Jesus fucking christ these people are so far up their own assholes they probably don't even know why people make fun of them.

Can someone explain how useless thots like this: twitter.com/linzstanley even got into the industry? I just don't fucking understand. What happened to the days of 50 nerds making something great?

Anal sex is one hell of a drug.

All I would need to do is actually post about shit that matters and I would immediately be better at their job.

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wait a minute... i recognize that person

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Yeh people do HTML for 10 min or C+P some scripts together and suddenly think they're geniuses lol. Few jobs are actually hard on this planet in terms of brain power and they're generally the engineering disciplines (mechanical electrical and software). I'm not even bragging cos these jobs suck - don't do them. You get paid average money to do crazy shit meanwhile some dumb bitch will get 6 figure salary for organising a few events. We need those robots soon cos people will just stop going into fundamentally creative disciplines lol

No, you'd be worse because as a journalist you're not supposed to write about shit that matters.

>think it'd be kinda cool to work at game dev shop
>game industry pays shit compared to other tech

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Shit, you're right.

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More like blame marketing. Marketing budgets can be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. So not only do games have to make back production costs, but also marketing costs as well.
Not to mention shit like investor salaries, publisher cuts, etc.

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>i could learn coding in a week
the absolute disrespect to her ex coworkers

>I'm not here with an agenda
>but I am here with an agenda.
Fuck this gay ass earth

Ellen is such a stupid cunt, wow. I want to beat the back of her skull like a bongo as I throat fuck her.

It was a joke.
No wonder y'all can't get laid.

She sure has a big nose

Nah. If you think gaming is bad, look at the summer blockbuster bubble. All you need is one year without a movie that makes over a billion dollars, and the entire industry is underwater. But it will never happen, no matter how good or bad any given year's billion dollar movie is, because people are going out to watch a summer blockbuster no matter what. Doesnt matter if the movie is a 96 rated or a 74 rated, if its the best summer blockbuster it sells a billion.

Gaming in the modern day is much the same. People want to buy a game this month, and they are buying sekiro because its the best game this month. Is it good? Dunno. Doesnt matter. If its shit, they wont buy sekiro 2 when it comes around, and will buy another game instead.

That wasn't a joke.

(((DIVERSITY AND ACCEPTANCE))) HAVE LED US TO HALLWAY SIMULATORS AND PRESS X TO WIN BULLSHIT

It's only popping for dinosaurs who rely too much on a small stable of familair products. Companies who rely on a consumer base that's getting increasingly too old for gaming instead of recognizing the goldmine that is a new generation which grew up loving casual games and not giving a shit about privacy or consumer rights.

Which is also the exact reason why Epic is going to beat Valve.

Seriously, if you find out any game today is made by a western dev there's a 90% chance it's hot garbage.

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>got any jobs?
>yes we do! We actually need coders and skilled work
>not overpaid Twitter/Facebook posters

The xemale population if the layoffs must be seething.

Barely any devs were laid off by this. Most of the people who were let go were in positions dealing with social media, esports, promotion, or other unnecessary bullshit. And almost all of them are exactly how you'd expect them to look and act like:
twitter.com/alex_frostwolf
twitter.com/Dayntee
twitter.com/ashliiful
twitter.com/caelidara
twitter.com/linzstanley
Meanwhile, a woman that actually does work in game dev? Not fired:
twitter.com/candacerthomas
Blizzard actually did something right when they fired all these people, hence the ex-employee in the OP saying "I can learn coding in a week... I think!"

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Those people in that OP would only be fit for "professional social media" position.

>trans
these things are even bigger do-nothings than your average Yea Forums poster

No, it's just that when heros of the storm flops and you realize that nobody wants to watch men in their mid twenties professionally playing a card game you cant afford to keep 500 "community moderators" and "esports casters" and the like on the pay roll, gotta trim the fat.

>Community teams for games full of girls who have multi-colored hair, who are shit at the game and know nothing about it

Any sciences graduate that has delved a little bit into research can write much more precise, fair, and well-documented articles than almost all journalists ever will.

>community manager for Diablo
After the immortal announcement the franchise is dead so it stands to reason that the position is obsolete.

>Ellen is such a stupid cunt, wow. I want to beat the back of her skull like a bongo as I throat fuck her.
If you have to write posts to screencap as proof of your gater boogieman, you may fool your activist friends,but you'll always know you're a fucking liar.

They would be better, but only because 90% of programmers are outsourced to stupid shitskins in india and through h1b visas

I feel like you can probably already find that screencap on Twitter or Tumblr if you look hard enough.

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>so desperate for arguments you grasp at stock photos
Do you also complain about movie hackers?

They really underestimate just how easy being a good writer is. English was my best class by far but when it came time to pick a major I went for a degree that filters out brainlets and pays well. It blackpilled me on journalism too, because journalists takes on banking are so wrong that it would be comical if they weren't so effective at spreading misinformation. And if they're wrong about my profession even though it plays such an important role in society then it's reasonable to assume that journalists know nothing about most other professions as well.

in a week

>gaming bubble popping
Already. Only CDPR are good.

Good thing only one of those is a valuable skill.

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All you would have to do is be knowledgeable in something.
The grannies that write about cookie recipes or the foreign dudes that have fishing blogs are better journalists then these clowns.

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Do people really beg for jobs in public on Twitter like this? Hoe degrading. She probably dm'd an offer for favors.

I haven't purchased a video game in over three years, yet still play them everyday. Not even a pirate, new games are just that shit.

nice nose

But number 6 will shock you,and that's a very good thing by the way.

>I canearn coding in a week

>learn to code

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based nice guy Ben

>I can learn coding in a week

>Study programming for six years
>Get a PhD
>This woman will get a job as a programmer before I do
Do I just kill myself now?

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It's the honourable way out

If you know how to code, go net yourself a job that has actual security and money. You can worry about making games in your own free time instead of being a pencil pusher at an AAA studio.

She's not wrong. The basics of coding in Java or any other languages is pretty simple and can be taught to anyone in a week.

You'll laugh longest, as soon as they realise that keeping barely functioning social problem generators on payroll for woke points is hurting the company. She'll be quietly let go and while the company will still outwardly support activists in tech, they'll know it's not actually good.
Every company can spout whatever shit they want, but when everybody is pointing out these people are worthless and they know it in their own heart from experience, things will change.

Why not intern during your program?

Specialised reporters who actually knew something about anything were the first to go when media started dying. It's pretty much just sports left in that department, if even that. Now they'll send the same general editorial blog writers to cover the Nobel price, analyse international politics and review the latest Disney film.

Dunning Kruger in programming comes SUPER early. Learning to get and set variables and to loop is like being handed duct tape and WD4O ; you'll feel like you can do anything, but you won't be hired as a civil engineer.

It is in the west, where decisions are all made by (((investors))) and sjws who hate their audience. Based Nippon will prevail.

you get banned from Twitter for using the hashtag #LearnToCode. That's how absolutely assblasted they are.

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>I can learn coding in a week... I think!

Lmao good luck with that Ellen, you stupid bitch

This is such a factually wrong argument, holy fuck. It truly shows that the poster has absolutely no idea about programming.

No. Learning to Code and the specific language is one thing but learning why your shit code goes wrong and how to fix it is another.

>hearthstone meme guy
Yeah, there's no way they're going to put out anything with substance working out of someones apartment.
@ me when they release something concrete.

Probably, law schools and firms are legitimately allowed to discriminate against your race/sexuality now. If you need proof go to LSAC is legitimately says it's a big part of being hired or accepted to school. Affirmative action is probably swinging back hard so a white man with credentials is just a white man (undesirable) Still keep trying because you'll eventually find someone who is desperate, racist, or hates race based judgement.

If you honestly think this you either know it very well and have trouble seeing how difficult it is to average people, or you do not know anything about it.

>Two useless women in the replies who got laid off
>Desperate for another easy job
>Held meme roles
>Business that's hiring only needs actual employee's who will do actual work
>"I can learn coding in a week"

LEARN. TO. CODE.

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>9 stunning facts about the dark souls universe that will blow your mind

>It's a prequel to dark souls 2
>The main character is a zombie
>Click here to continue reading

Where's my Pulitzer????

Do you already have the PhD? Where do you live that you cannot get work in the field?
Maybe I'm spoiled because I'm in a tech hub City, but surely somebody in your town is building an app, a website, an API, surely.

Games as a service is hitting capacity. Seems the masses only play whatever the big one is and leave the rest to die. Games as a product like Capcom's recent output seems to do okay though.

You know, they would almost have a point if it was actual journalism. On-site, investigative journalism that requires actual research. Unfortunately for them, writing for glorified blogs doesn't quite have the same clout.

>Any sciences graduate that has delved a little bit into research can write much more precise, fair, and well-documented articles than almost all journalists ever will.

yeah but the goal of most journalists isn't to write a precise fair and well documented article.

The goal is to write clickbait that triggers a horde of plebs into reading it.

An actual good article generates less money than clickbait that abuses psychological loopholes of the average normie.

>On-site, investigative journalism that requires actual research.
there's no such thing these days

>shitting out retarded clickbait is HAAAARD guys

Imagine being so deluded that you believe that. Your typical 2019 gaming """""article"""""" is nothing but a long-form shitpost. We're all experts in that already.

I said the basics user. It's fucking simple as hell. But then again out of 30 students in my Programming class only me and 2 others were the only ones left

Guess I skimmed over that part, sorry user, you're right.

just go work in data science

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reminder that 50% of people are completely incapable of learning how to program no matter how they're taught
it's called the double hump on account of there being two separate bezier curves
i feel sorry for the ones who can't

Why? I mean what causes that?

>bezier curves

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its not that complex programming, intermediate at best. Its harder than what most do, but most people make fucking js applets and crap like that.

nobody knows
the only study about it retracted its conclusion, which had to do with people being incapable of forming the mental model necessary to program, but not its results
it spooks people bad too because there's nothing like it

>I can learn coding in a week

IF FUCKING ONLY

No. Consoles generating free money by allowing people to use their internet will insulate the major players from drops in hardware sales and the lowest common denominator will buy the yearly schlock that the conglomerates who own everyone push out every year so while we may see minor flux we'll probably never have another "get your shit together" moment in vidya.

Meanwhile in the real world programmers are writing software that does a better job at journalism than most journalists

"I can learn coding in a week... I think."
Why would you even type that?

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Shit that's interesting. I'll try out programming and see if I can do it!

Problem is... I don't know where to start. I've gone on /g/ programming thread but they don't have any wikis or help and just post themselves wearing dresses

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Journalists are bottom of the barrel garbage, they know jackshit about anything.Those shiteaters have no right to say that to anyone.

>i can say whatever i want!
>no you cannot criticise those things i say!

I was just thinking of this the other day. A few hundred years ago people could barely read and write.
Nowdays we learn how to read and write at a very young age. Even before 1st grade, we have foreign language classes in my country now.

So is it possible for the average person to learn programming the same way it was possible for the average person to learn to read and write?
I'm honestly leaning more towards the answer yes. It took me some time but I realised that computer science and programming is one of the most intimidating majors, but that does not mean they are hard. They are just super intimidating. But the actual concepts behind it? they are fairly easy. I remember first semester learning the cauchy convergence test. Looking at it, it felt so complicated.
But the actual concept behind it? its easy. Could be understood by a 14 year old.

I hate using the word "toxic" but its what describes most environments online about any IT related stuff. I think it holds back a lot of people from getting into it.

>It's incredible that some of us dedicate our lives to writing about video games

Yeah no shit

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learn an easy language first like python, but don't spend too much time on it, then transition to c# (i learned java but was taught it in high school, c# is easier and much better documented)
this will take a month maybe more
then if you want you can start learning c++
that will take much longer because it's nuanced and complicated as fuck

easiest example is the fact they discovered they another programming language embedded in c++
not made
discovered

Pottery.

Bullshit. It's extremely hard, especially because you are 9 times out of 10 making something with strict hardware constraints. Sure it would be easy if you just were making some random shit with infinite specs, but that is hardly the case.

Not much of a bubble in the first place considering the shit they produced. There are still a LOT of games that need finished and a LOT of game devs going unhired and unpaid.

>C++
What the fuck.

I am self taught and know about discrete mathematics and binary trees. I'm also black.

You an uncle Tom ass nigga

First of all never go on /g/ outside the daily programming treads. its honestly one of the worst boards on the site

Secondly always have a goal in mind other than learning how to program. This whole "I wanna be a programmer" is retarded. None of the tech geniuses like Bill or Zuck started this way. dont try to learn an entire language at first. instead, learn the very basics and have some goal in your mind. if its javascript, create a basic website that shows images. then create a gallery that randomizes the images. try to build a website to show off a portfolio. create a website where people can sign up or submit options.
You can go by books, Khan academy, youtube videos. But the most important thing is, always have some small thing in your mind you want to do. because thats way more motivating than pointlessly trying to learn a whole language at once

yeah dont start with c++ lol its retarded
either start with c, or with something that can be very widely impemented and not super hard (java, javascript, even html+css)

programming individual parts of a game isn't that difficult. the difficulty, at least in my case as a solo game dev, is when you start trying to work each part of the game together without all of it collapsing. having to remember how each part of your game interfaces with each other and building upon that is very mentally draining, even if you're "smart"

CRASH SOON FELLOW GAYMUR

Reminds me of the people at school that don't actually practice the concepts they learn and wonder why they fail exams, and struggle through assignments.
>well gee I read about a binary tree once and therefore I am not an expert on the subject
>implement a binary tree in a language of my choice? uhhhh what?!

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No.

blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats/

I guess I can build a cabin out of all the logarithmic time functions I write.

I can't. Took two intro classes in college (python and fortran) and while I could do basic loops anything beyond that was uncomprehensible. Then again I'm bad at most things so it's not specific to that.

>either start with c
manual memory management is something that should be learned later
starting with c can make really bad programmers
>javascript, even html+css)
do not tell them to do this
javascript is an abortion of a programming language
python's shit whitespace syntax is shit but it's a good language for beginners even if they will eventually outgrow it
and html+css is an markdown language not a programming language

sweet baby fucking jesus imagine thinking you could crash course any topic related to programming in 6 months such that you'd actually be competent as a game developer or any software developer at all

This. I proofread a boot as fuck Marine friend’s essay’s a few times for a class we had together and within a few weeks he was doing better than most of the tumblrites there

>I remember first semester learning the cauchy convergence test. Looking at it, it felt so complicated.
>But the actual concept behind it? its easy. Could be understood by a 14 year old.
haha y-yeah totally

This is such a bullshit article, there is no evidence in it other than a lot of people fail the first programming class which can highly vary in difficulty in every single school and there are a lot of other factors like people just being lazy

This, but unironically.

Blizzard is one of the biggest turn arounds from top of the game to bottom of the barrel I've ever seen. It feels like just yesterday they were making a shit ton off of Overwatch, WoW Legion and hearthstone now
>Overwatch players are leaving because the games meta is stale and Blizzard is taking too long to balance known issues and release REAL content
>WoW is currently in one of it's worst expansion and it's obvious they have half the staff/money that they had for Legion
>Hearthstone pro players are upset for similar issues as Overwatch players
>Diablo was dead, then they dug up it's corpse just to shit in it's mouth
At least star craft 2 will always make money. Hope they pull themselves together so Classic isn't a complete flop.

Beyond pottery.

Or, programming is highly abstract and basically an IQ test, and not everybody is as smart as you want them to be.

shit posting aside, what are some actually good female game devs? Not fapbait, but actually talented women? Sick of these rainbow haired 'narrative designers' and 'community managers'

Women used to be in the foundations of programming. What the hell happened?

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very based, very redpilled

Well my goal for programming is creating a program that strips images from patreon or some other pay for x images and saves them.

Literally anyone can do anything. You just need to read a book, that's it.

People bitch and whine about something being "hard" are simply not applying themselves to the material or do not have the determination to follow through.

I'm not saying tomorrow you will know a new skill but after months or even a year of practice you should become at least somewhat proficient in it

the basic test was the principle of assignment
that's like saying i couldn't solve 1+1 because i was lazy

you gotta start with simpler smaller projects yo

imagine thinking learning disabilities aren't real

There are women who do good graphics programming and whatever but who besides John Carmack is talked about for anything but being a director?

>Though the paper was never formally published, it made the rounds pretty extensively. Now, Bornat has published a retraction, stating that he wrote the article during an antidepressant-driven mania that also earned him a suspension from his university.
oof

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the conclusions were retracted
not the results

if you think reading books will make you a good programmer youre an idiot. fundamentals wont get you past actual code. you need to practice and learn basic problem solving skills in the face of unknown information.

Im mainly referring to indie devs I guess. We got the toby fox, notch, scott cawthon, etc. The only woman I cant think of is depression quest bitch and that shit isn't even actual programming, nor is the game good.

Yes and that’s a good thing. Nerds got displaced by actual weirdos and Cali types. It needs to crash so we can build something better from the ashes.

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More like game companies are finding that malpractices are biting them in the ass and wrecking sales.

Capcom was struggling until they caved in and gave what fans actually wanted. RE2 and DMCV are the best selling in the series so far and it's encouraging Capcom to go back to just giving players what they want rather than marketing to 'western' audiences by making western styled games.

You're an idiot.

yeah but "gamers" don't get paid to play

Think CS and Math is actually simple is a sign you have never looked deep into any formal system deeply. It's insanely complicated, especially if you aren't "told" things, which after being told you can just regurgitate. The problem is with CS you have to come up with shit yourself, and if you read most peoples written work you will see even with something their brain specializes for (language) they still blow at it.

why would you hire a woman in a game company? they don't play games

What's the difference?

It's been deflating since last year. You won't see an actual pop.

Okay prove that there are infinitely many primes that are 2 numbers apart. Just like read a book about it lmao.

journalists are actually scum and with the advent if the internet 90% of them are not needed
the world would be better off if they all became garbage collectors, a job that actually matters.

Fucking this. I learned to draw after a year and a half because I wanted to draw myself fucking my favorite anime/game characters.

I mean look at my drawing. It's not colored since I'm shit at that still but you can see in detail what I'm imagining.

Biggest motivation was.

Have an idea of what you want to do, set a goal. That's the only way you'll be motivated. Money is a hard motivator.

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you have no idea how much more intelligent you are than the average person and even more so than people with below-average intelligence. You might think you got to where you are solely through hard work but you wouldn't be anywhere without at least some requisite of intelligence. I mean if you can't even understand the most basic thing about a subject like programming (which was my case), your hard work will mean shit and even if you do manage to get to the others level you'll have to work a hundred times harder at which point it's better to pursue something else or not do anything at all.

Too bad everything I need to do is poorly documented and has short deadlines.

Results are objective and conclusions are not.

>Cannot program

Neither can Toby Fox. In response to his 800+ switch statement source he responded with "I can't program." Notch is a mediocre programmer at best. FnaF was made in multimedia fusion.

what two characters are those?

i hope you're just pretending to be retarded
it means that the statistical data gathered during the production of the paper (i.e. 50% of people cannot program) is still valid, but the conclusion (that this was because they were incapable of forming the mental model necessary) is not

lol what a fucking smug cunt retatd

>800+ switch statement
jesus christ. that cant be real. pic?

that he misinterpretated the results

Some two losers that I want to impregnate

The concepts you have to deal with are fairly simply. There are patterns and well working methods for everything.
For example, I remember in first semester we had to print these bullshit triangles from stars. Like a triangle, reverse triangle, empty triangle. The concept behind it (especially because they showed you solutions a month ago) is super simple. You figure out a very basics algoritm for when to print and when not to print. The problem is implementing. You have a main for loop, then inside that there can be 2 other loops and inside that a while or if loop.
Thats why I said its intimidating. You can fuck up in a lot of ways, make mistakes, not sure about the syntax, etc. But the actual concept or just printing a few shitty stars in each line is not hard. its confusing and intimidating. The same goes for most programming concepts until you get used to it.

If this is actually your drawing, then hell yeah dude I'm impressed. It's such a simple motivation but clearly an effective one.

Coloring is tough though, I agree. It becomes more of a technical thing and seems really tough until you learn all the 'cheats' and workarounds. You'll get better at it if you look up some solid tutorials.

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Socrates was not wrong, ignorance is evil. These people are radicalized.

>IQ isnt real guys!
>even a cripple can become an olympic athlete!
>just read a book!

Comp sci is for trannies. Pick a real discipline instead

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> letting customers control the means of production

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watching all of blizzard's useless HR and QA staff get BTFO was a satisfying week here

THICC

yeah I remember those kinds of exercises
>You figure out a very basics algoritm for when to print and when not to print
but you don't realize that this above is already more than most people can do. I mean sure eventually after dozens of hours I could figure it out by brute force but it took you 2 minutes to figure it out, see where the difference lies?

How does one avoid being a mediocre programmer? I've been wanting to do indie stuff, and have been programming for years, but fear uploading my work out of fear of being meme'd to death like that Yandere dev guy. Should I pay a personal tutor to review my code for changes?

HAAAAAAA HAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAA

"journalist" now just means sitting on reddit all day and curating your twitter.

>How does one avoid being a mediocre programmer?
don't be an arrogant cunt unwilling to take advice
be an arrogant cunt who only takes good advice

That might be the most retarded smoothbrain take I've ever seen

i don't think it's worth trying to teach actual programming to a 10 year old, but i think there is a lot you can do to instill those programming concepts into someone so that when they do start programming, they'll be familiar with them. i had been playing crunchy games like RPGs and such for ages before i started programming, and just seeing some simple OOP basics instantly made all of it click. i already sort of knew how these games things were programmed in many respects, i just didn't know what it looked like in text.

nowadays, i'm always trying to reverse engineer every program or game i play in my head as i play it. it's actually sort of annoying because i can't stop myself from doing it and it often disrupts my concentration and ruins my sleep since i'll start trying to figure out the exact mechanics of how spellsteal is programmed in dota 2.

Diversity hires need to be purged from the gaming industry. Most women work in roles that have little relevance in regards to the development of a game, they just work in PR, admin, marketing or some other shit that requires very little effort.

The last studio I worked in had a girl who liked to say that she worked in the games industry to everyone she knew, when in fact all she did was answer to feedback with scripted responses and keep the social media pages updated. That was literally all she did, yet the amount she was paid was well above minimum wage.

>Is the gaming bubble popping?

We can only hope.
As soon as videogames become impossible to make a lot of money on, all the normies will leave and we'll have our comfy hobby back again.

Idiot..

You are a retard. That is basic engineering. It is not computer science. A problem in computer science is far more complex. This is an actual fucking problem.

You need to find something in a list of sorted objects. The list can be over a billion entries long. The result has to be done in constant time.

Easy engineering version (hard) find a hash function with a good enough running time that it runs okay on hardware constraints.

Harder CS version. Find the most optimal one and prove it's optimal given some input

Hardest prove if it's possible to have an optimal hash for any given input and if it is find the most optimal hash

You fucking webdev tier retards think programming is simple and not math heavy but in reality your just doing basic engineering shit. It's like stacking a few blocks to prop something up and then pretending that building airplanes is easy because "that's just engineering too"

you can self teach anything now, but most people simply dont have the discipline for it.

Why do English majors think they are smart? I studied Medical Biology and even I don't think I'm smart.

i don't know if gamemaker does it but c# actually compiles switch statements into maps in runtime or something like that, so having a big ass switch statement won't actually be performance disruptive, it just looks goofy as fuck

Is coding even a good field to get into?

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It's a function of IQ. If you are shit at it you will never be that great. If you can't figure out how to not use 800 long switch statement or a bunch of if else's then nothing is going to help you, you will never be able to come up with creative solutions.

But considering Toby Fox and Yandere Dev both got paid a shitload unless you actually care about that it doesn't matter for success.

>I can progra-
Prove it then.

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i laughed at that too,guess that explains the lower quality if thats who they hire as coders

The fact that you are thinking about everything in some shitty OOP way means you already don't understand programming and just think you do.

this

Yeah but you forget that its not some random people on the street who was told he has 5 minutes to figure it out.
In class, first semester is all about for loops. They will make you do a simple triangle in class. If you can understand the concepts, you can use them later on. Its all just practice and learning time. I know girls from high school who absolutely hated math, were bad at it and graduated with an engineering degree in time without failing a single course.
I agree with user, with enough effort a lot of things can be achieved. People underestimate how much time successful people put into their work.

You're just mad because I'm not impressed of your nerdy shit. find someone else who wanks for you IQ retard

>Nintendo is doing fine
Imagine being this deluded LMAO

Where is the multiple choice answers.

There is never a need for an 800 case long state machine in a game. Even if you made it into a map it would not perform well.

Good, nerds had it too good for too long.

alright

Whats best college degree to study for good job if I'm too brainlet for Engineering?

Didn't realize this was you.

>heavy algorithmic questions
I bet they just asked how to implement quicksort or something

History.

Become an electrician or auto mechanic.

Define good.

Easy?

Or more money.

Can't have both if you're a brainlet.

>CS is easy people just say its hard
>Okay then solve these
>Wow your just trying to show off!

What do you think CS is exactly? Making phone apps?

Oh I recognize immediately not to use shit like that. Its the 'taking the tools I know' and 'making something new' that feels overwhelming to me. There are college students that programmed an AI that can autosteer a car based on just a single videoclip, using image recognition. I don't even know where to start when it comes to stuff like that. And I'm already finished college.

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something you enjoy
no

I have a CS degree

Konata and Tomoko

He has shit taste

Retards in this thread thinking they know about coding.

I bet they don't even have programing socks

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Its a high supply sector, I wouldn't even bother looking into it unless you like being replaced for showing up a second late or you have a Masters.
Get a job in Management or something, that's where the real money is.

What is a "publishing role"

I'm too clumsy and bad at manual labour to do a trade.

Money

Unironically no unless you’re a foreigner

Iq does not equal skill

>highly abstract
Yeah, in the literal sense that it is all about abstractions and if you're not good at abstracting things, you won't make a good programmer

>autosteer a car
when you put it like that it sounds hard
realize it's just keeping a dot between two lines

I have actual respect for real investigative journalists, such as those that dig into serious stories or visit warzones.

The bottom of the barrel type who shit out clickbait after clickbait have zero good qualities about them and make society as whole worse, just for existing.

Just think about it.

ML is just taking some "network" and training it based on data sets, so it can come up with some random points to use as a reference in it's own way to accomplish some goal. The rest should just roll off from there. The hard part is just having the power to train that dataset. Those kids are usually tools for that developed by way better engineers at places like Google.

How do you gain that sort of discipline?

>Get a job in Management or something, that's where the real money is.

That's only if you've gotten an inside position. I'm a brainlet who dropped out of accounting and switched to admin and haven't found shit.

>tfw studying mechanical engineering in my first year and I read this

if your IQ is too low, you're never going to be able to learn certain things

Whats job that pays well that I can get into with my degree? I have degree in Business Information Systems and work in HR but get paid poorly.

t. FizzBuzz failing graduate

Questions like that were part of the fucking hiring process at Google. (obviously not a fucking NP-Hard question though) You are just one of those replacable webdevs who thinks making buttons in Javascript is CS.

Why does this look so familiar?

>I can learn to code in a week
Replacing Javascript and html code maybe.

Based emailer

You drew that after a year and a half?
I jerked off to that before dude. Thanks for motivation. You have talent!

People with low IQ's are bad with abstractions, so yes, some people can't program because they are too dumb. Glad you agree.

>Freelance Games Journalisst

Into the trash it goes!

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>people just say its hard
You know the thing is, people dont even say its hard. its always /g/ or some shitty internet forum where I hear its hard.
Everywhere else, my own experience, people I know all said you just have to put in work. It's not an easy major but certainly not as hard as people want to pretend here. It's a crab bucket mentality with a bunch of social autist retards who have nothing else for them in life so they try to pretend they are geniuses.

you are just keep fucking repeating shitty Yea Forums memes, seriously stop dude, you not gonna impress me as some anonymous Yea Forums autist

fear

Less smart you are, more you have to convince others.

>What do you think CS is exactly? Making phone apps?
Problem is that many people to think that.
At my university, there were liasons every term where people would give feedback and such on the terms classes. Every fucking time half the people would just say shit like "Why do we need to take all of these math courses? We should have things that teach us React! (or insert another popular framework at the time)." They could not comprehend that the point of computer science is to learn the theory so that you can solve problems regardless of language or framework. They're people who should have gone to bootcamp or done a 2 year college programming degree. They literally want to learn to code and nothing more.

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>Modern hardware
>Strict constraints
Kek'd
Most devs barely even care about optimisation, even basic bitch shit like changing your formulas to reduce the big O notation of it is something half of them don't do.
Vidya programming isn't fucking hard, it's harder than web development brainlets, but that's not exactly saying much.

But what if you're using it as a means to, you know, spread knowledge and actual helpful links or resources to teach people how to code.

Fucking hell can we just put the kibosh on all of these nannystate man-children already?

That helps me visualize it, thanks.
Do you know good resources that teach training based on data sets? I could never understand how one could 'program' image recognition

>It's a crab bucket mentality
that's not what crab bucket mentality is

it's more like gatekeeping except unironically

>If you can understand the concepts
well yeah, but what if you don't understand the concepts?

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I've been on the boorus for a while.
Thanks user.

We're not talking about graduating were talking about computer science. I can copy off of people for 90% of my work and irk out a CS degree. You are saying "CS is easy and you just have to put in the work" This is false. CS is hard. Solving problems in it is hard. It's why most people cannot pass googles interview process. The entire proof is the percentage of the population who actually does the thing versus the demand for the thing. It's like saying being a doctor is easy because "it's just memorizing stuff and hard work." That's entirely false. It's extremely difficult and most of the human population is segregated from doing that.

plus it looks shes touching sa cmos battery?

Old comp sci is quickly becoming blended in with computational mathematics with a fuckload of unis doing basic baby code shit for compsci now.

Journalist here, this is actually what I find so theoretically appealing about writing about video games. People actually seem to care about what you're writing about and what you have to say, even if they think you're a fucking moron. I'd rather have someone react to an article of mine with honest passion instead of dead silence. This guy is an ungrateful little bitch for complaining about it. Some people slave away for years writing about actual world problems and get no recognition whatsoever, good or bad.

I want one of those easy high paying computer software jobs. Not the hard google type ones. Tell me how

Your question is similar to "is the automobile industry bubble popping"?
There are so many different niches and clients and uses that its silly to imagine everything crashing.

But nothing stops the "american gas guzzlers" to pop and give place to something better, like the japanese cars.

reading all these maths questions reminds me that i studied all this shit here in college like 2 years ago, aced all the tests and now i've already forgotten all of this shit. i keep looking at this stuff and thinking "oh yeah i used to know how to solve this, i just don't remember". god damnit

i probably have to study this shit again when i inevitably go to an interview

A good journalist isn't a very successful journalist. You may earn a pulitzer or 5 but you'll get shit clicks and depend on your rich partner to finance your 6-18 month long investigations.

>you fucking slur

Oh boy, that actually sounds like it could become a thing one day, "slur" could become a slur

You FUCKING slur faggot. Or, idk, ive been sitting and baking in this security hut for 10 hours already so maybe im just addled

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somehow this is an insightful opinion that more brainlet seem to have compared to intelligent people

How did you practice and how often/long?
Do you have blog twitter etc?

>react to an article of mine with honest passion instead of dead silence
then write about trump

No idea.

medium.freecodecamp.org/every-single-machine-learning-course-on-the-internet-ranked-by-your-reviews-3c4a7b8026c0?gi=e408ab5c5fcc

Alternatively you can download the libraries and fuck with them yourself. Also there are some youtube videos about a guy making an AI play Mario. It's the exact same thing.

I'm only interested in coding for the money.

If you were just talking about general software engineering or building your own game engine from scratch I'd agree, but games programming is easier than it's ever been. Back in the 80s and 90s programmers didn't have anywhere near as many tools and middleware as they do today. Granted it's not piss easy like a lot of other jobs in the games industry but there is a reason why the industry specifically has such a high turnover rate and it has little to do with the skill involved.

>React
Probably how does your react app add JWT tokens to its header.

Or how do you use this JSON file to calculate tax percentage.

>PhD
>getting a job as a programmer

You're doing something horribly wrong.

Did that motherfucker just learn to code her. What a legend

yeah, call it gatekeeping, whatever, I'm fucking tired of it. bunch of retards pretending they are geniuses and act like other majors and jobs have no drawbacks.

Do you work at Google or why are you so deeply obsessed with it? Google has one of the strictest hiring process in the IT world, why should an average person care about that? Do you compare your parents wedding photographer to photographers who shoot for Vogue or what? Did you go to Ivy league? Whats your exact job?

>It's extremely difficult
The reason is difficult because the vast majority of people dont have the discipline to put in the absurd amount of work.

No just companies who decided that marketing should get more money then development. Just like all entertainment, making the best product will always outsell and outlast flashy gitz

Yea it's unfortunate. A lot of my profs were pretty sad that we don't offer things like compiler theory or cryptography because of that. Thank god I went into a branch of computational mathematics for my Master's.

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you learn to be a computer janitor and just maintain servers for 50 years

I have too much self-respect.

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(You)

>Can copy off people to get degree
Where in the world is it like this? Is this going to be another mutt thing where they have bellcurving and other ass retarded shit?
>Get sat down in exam at the end and told to prove X is most optimal form
>Do some basic coding theory (Golay codes and other shit)
>Have to pass the exam to pass the course
That was first year, there's a reason why there's only a 35% pass rate for your typical first year subject and then going down from there.
>Have to pass the exam to pass the course

ben brode is easily the best thing to come out of blizz. it's a shame he got stuck with an awful game like hearthstone.

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Time to coding flex on Yea Forums?

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>We need actual developers who know like, skills and shit
>Oh I'm useless for that but maybe I can learn tee-hee!
What exactly did these women DO at Blizzard

Yes. And the hiring process is similar for 90% of jobs for systems engineers.

>The reason is difficult because the vast majority of people dont have the discipline to put in the absurd amount of work.

You are the kind of cancer I hate the most. My brother is not that smart. He cannot do it. No matter how much he tried he would never be able to do it. Because of this I give him things like RPG maker because he still wants do technical things, and he spends hundreds of hours in it, and still cannot understand complicated CS concepts.

There is a literal IQ barrier for understanding math and CS. You are like those idiot journalist telling miners to code. If they were able to code they wouldn't have been fucking miners in the first place. Some people can't do things, and that's okay. We should accommodate them in the world, not pretend they are lazy you cancerous piece of shit.

yeah you're 100% right. i keep thinking back how stuff was done in the 90s and it's fucked up how difficult even simple things were. there's no way i could be doing solo game dev with my level of know-how and discipline if it was the 90s.

For that pic it was 1.5 years of drawing.

I started at drawabox did everything there. After that I looked up some manga and other references and started making my own style.

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It's actually already popped, the investment market hasn't decided it has yet, though.

I think it's just one more AAA failure away, though.

If you're not looking for jobs doing software/hardware architecture, or something niche like kernel/firmware programming, then what the fuck did you do your Ph.D in exactly?

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given how retarded most developers are when it comes to anything else but development I'm sure Bizzard had a use for them

Difficulty is relative i dont really expect some rando to proof the jacobian of your standard robotic arm, but my lab partner can do that no problem and it's standard for any mechanical engineer and anybody working with graphics which by the way is part of computer/software engineering.

>wouldn't say that to our face
he is right
>dedicate our lives to write about video games just to get shit on
i mean you put out your opinions out there so what did you expect from that? if you wrote news then you wouldn't see any of the shit you hate.

my man, couldn't have said it better (I'm like your brother)

so like what do you think would be good

>tfw your girlfriend has only cosplayed one of these for you
I'll get you too Konata, I swear.

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Underrated as fuck

google had to invent a programming language for retards because most of their programmers were too dumb and were causing too much damage
google jobs are not hard

thank fuck go exists
i will never use it
but thank fuck it exists

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I disagree.
t.your brother

Is that true?

How would these games journalists handle learning that not only can I program in a handful of dead programming languages (and Python), but I've also been published in major US newspapers several dozen times on a freelance basis?

Does this...? Does this...? Oh god does this ruin their argument?

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Tbh a fucking brainlet can do that
At least that's what I keep on telling myself so I don't day dream about normies being put into forced education camps.

>Laysoffs happening
>but only because the company is doing SO good
No, there is no fucking crash coming soon

making games in the 90s was much simpler even with the lack of tools
the games were much simpler

Based.please tell me you creampied her

How could they switch jobs when the people tweeting "Learn to code" at her have no jobs and are lifetime welfare NEETs?

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This is only half true. Writing games in ASM is absurdly hard in and of itself.

see
python to java/c# to c++

>Yes. And the hiring process is similar for 90% of jobs for systems engineers.
No it absolutely is not. I don't even understand your argument. Google is the leading and by far the hardest company to get a job at in the silicon valley. It's like saying if you cant get into Harvard you should not even bother with university because after all they teach similar stuff.
The more you post, the more you admitting you have absolutely no experience in the field. I actually feel like you are the brother in your story, just afraid to admit

>i don't think it's worth trying to teach actual programming to a 10 year old
I disagree, I spent a couple of summers working at summer camps where we teach rich people's kids how to code in Java and C# and stuff. One of the classes I taught was with eight 10-12 year olds learning to code in Roblox which uses Lua. Of the 8 students, about half of them really "got" coding and the other half were hyperactive little shits.

In other words it's not worth teaching every 10-year-old how to code, but some of them can benefit from it. The problem is deciding which ones are ready.

Also, if a parent tells you that their kid "has coded before", there's a very good chance that they're lying and that their precious little boy can barely type.

Accounting. It's literally for people with no talent/charisma/passion who are too stupid for engineering

>Writing games in ASM is absurdly hard
it isn't

Yea, that's a given.

Wait will #llearntocode actually get you banned?

Depends on your platform, ARM programming is easier than even 8086 in some regards, although its current instruction set is a bit too cut down imo.

>google interview soon

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Mostly this is cause they don't understand the concepts of programming, that 99% of the shit we do is actually Boolean algebra be it either in C, C#, Assembly, Javascript.

I you can express and describe a whole database query for example in Boolean algebra.

>and are lifetime welfare NEETs?
And so are those journalists now :)

I dont know much about coding/programming, but this seems dishonest though, why do you need turing shit for video games?

Of course.

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Hope you're a paki.

i wish my school taught more of this shit. we had lots of maths and algorithm stuff in the first 1-2 years but now we're learning the latest meme languages or doing pointless mandatory leadership courses and shit like that. and i'm even in a fairly well respected school in my country (finland)

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ARM seemed more designed for prototyping or for making any makeshift project easy.

This is the part where i tell you analitical and abstract thinking is a talent that most people don't have. Besides actually PROOFING a thing successfully is difficult when starting from scratch.

Act chill user. I got my job at one of the tech giants by acting friendly and just showing some of my little projects I work on.

Not him, but the comp math and software engineering departments of my uni are basically Google farms, a huge number of people who graduate end up hired by Google.
B.Eng (Software) and B.Math (Comp Math) have about 3% graduation rates, then about 1/4 of them end up at google. That shows it isn't that obnoxious.

Finland doesn't exist.

Hopefully. Need to purge all the shitty devs form the industry

I guess my 6 year degree is useless

No. Its just the constant "upper level company people fucking over everyone else by shoving all the money into their own pockets".

The professional exams can be difficult and the starting pay in Accounting is very poor until you have all your exams done and a few years of experience. Its also very high stress and long hours. My older brother is an Accountant for PWC.

The tools are easier to use today, but the standards are also much higher. You can make a decent FPS with a few months of work and some pre-made assets, but there's a good chance that it'll be doomed to forever sit on itch.io with 0 downloads. There are so many games these days that nobody wants to waste time on mediocre ones.

>In the end everyone becomes a NEET
>Turns out no one actually knows how to code
>China gets the jobs anyway

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>take a basic HTML class in college
>could barely "program" two fucking pictures and some text onto a page
And that's the exact moment I knew I was never going to be a game developer.

I've already been told that's like 4 50 minute whiteboard technical interviews back to back.

Lets hope what's actually popping is the capitalist structure as a whole instead.

Why do they think engineering is just coding?

man it would really suck if people started killing "journalists"
how awful that'd be

>We should accommodate them in the world, not pretend they are lazy
Can someone explain to me the logic behind wanting other people to pay your way because you're too lazy, poor and incompetent? Or the logic behind actually trusting the government do to anything right? Or the logic behind thinking doubling taxes of most Americans so they can receive inferior healthcare?

True. It's just obnoxious to have to build a function for finite differences with each project. Given how essential calculus is to everything it really makes you wonder why the fuck they don't seem to care much about that.

Imagine being some computer nerd lol. Just be a chad Electrician instead.

It's because those intelligent people don't like to admit not everything in their life was entirely earned by "hard work" and some of their success was guaranteed from birth.

>Hire us please
>Sure, we need people that can do real work
>Too bad
Low key savage

Not to shit on him, it is great and he is good, but i have seen people improve more in less time

You can get there probably sooner if you busted ass autistically enough

The fact that you think IT and Engineering are in the same ballpark proves how dumb you are.

>just be a wamen
>you'll get all the jobs super ez

Thinking simple tools make something hard is a fallacy
assembly is the simplest programming language, which makes it easy to use, not hard
if you tried to make a complicated, modern game in assembly it would be very hard sure
look at the team sizes for games from that era and they're much smaller

i doubt that
it's really hard to imagine being dumb
they probably don't even understand that their success came from their iq

i like having my asss on a chair browsing Yea Forums all day

>intelligences guarantees success
lol

I wish Yea Forums would go back to worshiping stem instead of tradies and middle manager boomers trying to give job advice on Yea Forums

>How does one avoid being a mediocre programmer?

Program a lot. Make a habit of avoiding "quick fixes" (especially shit like copy/paste code; spend the time to abstract it out so you don't have duplicates of the same logic all over the place).

Think about how your code will change in the future, and how what you're doing now will make those changes in the future easier.

Think about how you can convince yourself that your code works. This often means test case development, which is something you should do habitually for any project large enough to care about.

Don't worry about uploading your code. Realistically, the only people who will read it are people who actually want to figure out how you did some of the things you did, and you can feel smug that even someone going through it thinking "wow this is shit" still copied your code because they didn't know how to do whatever it was they were looking for.

yeah, and it's not limited to intelligence/intelligent people

it does not guarantee it but it makes it a fuckload easier, especially if you use apply it to social interaction

the fact that you think posting on Yea Forums and shitposting on Yea Forums are in the same ballpark proves how dumb YOU are

Bruh I have terrible, terrible news.

If you have a Ph.D. you are unemployable. I will NEVER be able to justify hiring you to my boss, even if I lowball you so hard you're earning the same salary as the intern who is in his sophomore year at Scum State College. Because he will just look at your Ph.D. in your email signature block and it will drive him insane and he'll find some reason to fire you.

Once you've got a Ph.D. your employment options are the academy, the NGOs that supplement the academy, or a private research firm. Or, and I know a lot of people who do this, leaving your Ph.D. off your resume. Don't leave it off your CV, but leave it off your resume (if you don't know the difference between these, you've got other problems).

Programming is a modestly difficult job. I say this as a combat veteran who knows that any day in an office is an easy day. But being really good, being a contributor to your dev team requires a lot of hard work, a lot of studying, and a lot of talking to your colleagues.

But I'll also tell you this: between you and a woman my boss will make me hire the woman almost every time. If she's got a degree and her code sample doesn't require more than an hour of my debugging and recompiling to run, she's hired. Because she has a vagina.

This isn't a terrible thing, necessarily. This is how I met my wife and I love her vagina. But for you, it's bad news.

Sorry.

Take some writing classes because report writing is going to be your life.

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Literally never said that and if I did I would have spelled it correctly. Temporarily embarrassed Einstein over here.

>Go to classes every day
>Study 1-2 hours each day
>Practice specific thing related to your major at least 2-3 times a week

Boom, you are suddenly way above the vast majority of people in your class. People who talk about IQ are always just lazy fucks looking for excuses. Fuck the entire internet is just a bunch of lazy cunts complaining and looking for excuses. Fuck you, all of you

I agree with what you're implying but let's not completely derail the thread, I'm enjoying code talk.

Your comment seems à propos of nothing in this thread but okay... Seems pretty dumb to go to law school if you didn't get into HYS anyways.

all I need to do to be a better journalist than those people is just investigate both sides of an argument, lol

you did say it
>some of their success was guaranteed from birth

intelligence doesn't make you good at social interaction

Retard.

It's not a matter of performance -- huge switch statements perform fine if your compiler isn't retarded. It's that the code is more difficult to understand and maintain if done that way.

She was joking you fucking mongs. I swear to god people can be insanely retarded when you are looking to fit a narrative.

That's only big four which you can get out of in a few years, it's very stressful for the first couple of years but after that it's smooth sailing.

>How does one avoid being a mediocre programmer?
practice

Okay, as someone who is self taught and a pretty amateur coder overall, what is the next step? Is there a textbook or two I should fuck with, or is this really something that you need schooling to learn?
game dev btw

There is a correlation between intelligence and success, although the rate of change starts to become negative after a certain point. However, that's due to the definition of success being only based upon monetary achievements rather than personal goals.

writing for a modern journo outlet sounds like it would be the must tedious and mundane bullshit on the planet

Thanks for the help user. I started reading the code of the top reviewed GitHub programs. Thats also helped. I want to find a code buddy to learn with tho. Might help motivation.

Do you know what are some good stuff to program to practice? For example, I want to learn how to program a physics engine. What would be a good place to start? I have comp sci degree and know the basic fundamentals.

And thanks user

If you are 4/10 minimum, have a healthy BMI and fat fucking tits, the world is literally your oyster as a woman

>I swear to god people can be insanely retarded.
FTFY

>There is a correlation between intelligence and success
it's more like successful people are usually more intelligent, not intelligent people are usually more successful, because there's plenty of intelligent people who aren't

is that a pasta?
Also how is a day spent shooting a goat farmers a hard day?

practice what? For example I suck at taking data bus outputs and decrypting them based on a documented protocol, but cant find any examples or resources on how to go about that. I try brute forcing it which has been leading me in circles for past few months.

>Didn't even self teach herself important shit
You can self-teach discrete mathematics, basically all springer-verlag shit is on libgen and basically any textbook from that publisher is a fucking amazing read

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If you want to be a good programmer you have to actually be solving real-world problems not picking toy problems and doing them for the sake of improvement

No. Weirdly Sony, Nintendo and Microsofts gaming division are all doing record numbers. 2017 saw some of the best/biggest releases. I think some things are just slowing down and a few companies are doing some restructuring. The Blizzard CEO left, and that caused some huge changes and investor uncertainty. Some major projects have done below expectations. But if EA can somehow turn a fucking profit with a turd sandwhich like Anthem, maybe it really is a bubble, but good lord it is not popping.

I had the other problem with Java Programming 101: idiot teacher with tenure who only cared about namedropping big people in the computer tech biz than actually teach the fucking class we paid for him to fucking teach us.

Thinking that a larger scale game with a larger team makes the actual task of programming harder harder is also a fallacy.
Even making a simpler game in assembly from scratch is going to be harder than making a game with middleware tools and an engine already available to you.
It's like saying Carmack wasn't a talented programmer just because Doom is simple compared to modern FPS that have bloated dev teams in the hundreds

Fine fine, it doesn't absolutely 100% guarantee success, it just makes success much much more likely than a person born with lower intelligence in the exact same circumstances.

Money is a hard motivator? Didn't you sell out to Fakku some time ago?

>intelligence doesn't make you good at social interaction
>implying human social behavior cannot be understood and consciously manipulated
and as long as you aren't a total cunt there's nothing wrong with doing it

Let me guess, you're not quite done with undergrad but writing programs in Haskell makes you feel funny down there?

yeah but I think they would have probably recognized the joke in another context.

user, they can't learn coding in a week. And you generally don't hire someone for a position like fucking coding with the intention to train them.

t. average to high IQ
intelligent people are usually more succesful, that's what it means. But from your post I can guarantee you that it doesn't concern you.

All those posts you quoted were also joking :)

are these meme books?

I really feel bad for my friend. She's not bad looking and is insanely smart, when she got hired for a pretty big fortune 500 her job is to be essentially the tard wrangler for the rest of those dumb bitches.

How many certifications do I need before I can get a job?

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that's what i was trying to say if i wasn't retarded. it shouldn't be a question of "how to make a 800 case switch statement perform well" but to ask how you actually got into that position in the first place. i just don't like saying that it's completely impossible for something like that to be the best solution for the situation because i don't know what the switch is for.

Not sure if this is a meme response but thank you for the suggestion

>just self-teach yourself concepts you don't understand bro

>you have to actually be solving real-world problems
That's a good way to look at it. I didn't consider that approach. I'll try to look into more real problems to model.

why are the haskell nerds such bullies anyway

>Thinking that a larger scale game with a larger team makes the actual task of programming harder harder is also a fallacy.
It literally is
The bigger and more complex the game the harder it is to make
Carmack is a talented programmer because he figured things out before anyone else did, but the games he made were simple and are thus easily reproducable by other people
Most of programming is not research, it's just work

>I'll try to look into more real problems to model.
you're doing exactly the opposite of what I said
you have to have a desire and work towards that desire
not do things for the sake of being a better programmer, because you never will

>certs
oh no no no

I got one with zero but I got a degree. Probably good to get like 2-3 beginner ones for first job in IT though

Yeah that's why autists with high IQ are known for their social skills, oh wait.......

Even dumb people can be manipulative, social interaction is about your personal charisma not figuring out problems

>Because he will just look at your Ph.D. in your email signature block and it will drive him insane
What's all this about?

Yes. Since those concepts have roots in concepts you do understand and you extrapolate from there. Having someone who knows how to explain those links and help you form them is of course helpful, but to say you can't do it on your own is retarded.

they are, they just aren't called autists
what exactly do you think sociopaths are

Gib stories, best I got in return is a family friend who moved out of her company's programming division because her boss kept pissing her off by doing shit like asking how something worked endlessly, going to one of her male underlings every single time to ask them how it really works, only to be told to go ask her because they only did a small piece of it over and over again.

That's not an answer

>intelligent people are usually more succesful, that's what it means
They aren't though, that's a myth propagated by dumb people

>Gamers are fucking idiots
Well you just lost your client base Hobbes.

>is that a pasta?
Probably is now.

>Also how is a day spent shooting a goat farmers a hard day?
Killing another human being is never easy, and if you think it is, you've never done it.

Sociopathy has nothing to do with intelligence or autism

>Hegel in a coding reading list
What could 18th century philosophy have to do with coding? I dont have any experience with coding but trying to understand Hegel, especially Phenomenology of Spirit, can be incredibly difficult.

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there's literally nothing wrong with working in a trade, quite the opposite in fact, but ye, obviously STEM is the ideal

>Don't leave it off your CV, but leave it off your resume (if you don't know the difference between these, you've got other problems).
Explain

oh you mean have a problem I already want to solve? fuck, okay. I'll try to think over what problems bother me personally and work out ways to go about it. Is that what you mean?

I'm not creative though so it might take me a while, fuck.

Some bosses can't stand the idea of not being the smartest person in the room. Ever have one order you to do something the dumb way just because it's how they do it.

If you organise the general population into intelligence based bins, bins of higher intelligence have a higher percentage of successful people within, until you hit a certain point and it starts to go down slightly. This is defining success as net wealth, which isn't really something you should do.

autism shares a lot of traits with antisocial personality disorders actually
and most of the high functioning ones like ted bundy had to learn their charisma

so intelligence has no influence on success? I guess you don't need degrees to get good paying jobs in your world?
would you be satisfied with
>dumb people are usually less succesful?

I became a good programmer because I wanted to make a game, so I tried to make that game and learnt the solve the problems I needed to solve to get there
If you have no reason to be a good programmer you won't become one

Intelligence absolutely is a predictor of success.

overqualified. They will want raise after raise, and will have insane competing, offers and will leave for something else. I want a guy, who I can hire, that will have less of a leg to stand on for a pay raise, will stay with my company for years, even if its the same position etc. Not like a PHD will actually do the job better. The irony, is if nobody wants you because you are overqualified, then you are basically unqualified. Nice thing is you can always just lie through omission.

>I guess you don't need degrees to get good paying jobs
you dont

it's a decision you took before that day though, so that doesn't make it a hard day
if you're not American this doesn't concern you; in the US a resume is a classic CV while a CV is more of an academical CV

>The bigger and more complex the game the harder it is to make
Only if you pretend tools to make games aren't easier to use and middleware doesn't exist.
>but the games he made were simple and are thus easily reproducable by other people
Because they're based on the code he and people like him wrote. Those old so called simple games were originally made by programmers figuring things out before other people did. This is a trivial argument.

mad cuz dumb lol

>CVs include extensive information on your academic background, including teaching experience, degrees, research, awards, publications, presentations, and other achievements. CVs are thus lengthier than resumes, and include more information, particularly details related to one’s academic and research background.

I think "successful people are usually more intelligent" is the most accurate way of putting it, because it's only one of other equally important factors like being motivated and maybe even being lucky

where do you live because I'd like to move there? And those high-paying jobs that don't require no degree, do you need to be good at them to get well paid?

That really helps me change my perspective on things. Thank you user. I feel like I need to sit down and think what I want. I've had some personal projects I've always wanted to do but thought weren't feasible, so I'll start with one of those.

>What's all this about?
The real world is a cesspit of insecurity and small penis syndrome (women especially suffer from it).

He's got a CS degree from...some 4th tier school like Concordia University. The VP had to step when the decision on hiring me (I'm an Ivy grad in mechanical engineering -- not good enough for MIT or Cal Poly, being clear here) came down. Not sure why he feels the way he does but he's been with the company for like 14 years and I'm actually not sure if he can do any line programming any more.

>I can learn coding in a week
Actual dev here.
No, you can't

being ugly and socially retarded wont make you intelligent user

>FnaF was made in multimedia fusion
Scott Cawthon is an incredible artist tho

>they are, they just aren't called autists
I was implying that high IQ doesn't automatically give you great social skills with the autist comment.
Charismatic people can have average/below average. Vice versa.
I know they aren't mutually exclusive though.

And you'll experience much more such cases, down your career path.

When i started programming i was stuck on concepts for like a month ready to pull my hair out, other times.
I fix it in a few hours.

But you never give up cause at first it is hard and then not anymore after you solved it, you learn coding by doing trying time and time again.

so that means intelligence is a factor in success. So if you take two people with the same amount of motivation and "luck" but one is more intelligent than the other, the smarter one is more liely to be successful.

Thanks bro, I'm not american so there's that.

What the fuck really?

They're not based on code they wrote, they're based on ideas. If you explain BSP rendering to someone they can program Doom without even seeing the Doom source code. Programming these days is not usually about finding these ideas (research), it's mostly about just doing the work. Better tools make things easier, but if modern tools make you twice as productive, games are still ten times more complicated. Making old 2D games was so much easier than modern 3D ones in almost every respect

Shut up retard. Bump up your IQ a bit before you talk to me

if memes are ideas that are constantly recirculated and essential to being able to follow a discussion within a given group then yes

Yes, yes it will, that's how awful Twitter is as a website.

thank you user. best of luck to you

All the women competent at programming are in Japan and China.

programming is pretty easy
t. programmer

yeah it's a factor, but I think it's third being being in the right place at the right time and being motivated

No. It's just trimming the fat. They are realizing that PR isn't all that important and that most people working can pull double duty on most things. I don't think blizzard fired any programmers or actual game designers in their recent layoffs. It's not popping, it's just being optimized.

dip your balls in my mouth you 1000 year old bike handler

I know some really good women(girl) programmers back in undergrad. The really good ones were usually fat or lesbian, though. They mostly went on to contracting jobs.

You sure about that bro?

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Fuck mathematicians and fuck Haskell.

Lot of people during that time tried to mechanize calculation so kind of the very first like the word says computer.
Like Blaise Pascal in the 17th century.

Phd is seen by most employers as "I'm a high maintenance academic" and you're mistreated accordingly.

Honestly I'd suggest starting by writing a roguelike, and just making it increasingly complex as you go. You'll make enough mistakes and fully understand those mistakes as you spend more time enhancing your earlier code, and there's not much that really teaches you system design better than fucking it up, having to work around your fuckups, and thinking about how not to fuck it up the future.

But anyway, working on a simple roguelike gets you:

- A system that has a lot of objects that have to interact in a lot of ways, and forces you to deal with abstraction to make it work
- Those objects have to be managed by the game, which is an important skill
- You have to randomize stuff, and be able to deal with states in your game engine that you didn't explicitly put in there -- which teaches you to deal with edge cases

Before I'd start on a physics engine I'd want to have a really good idea of what exactly it's supposed to model. "physics engine" covers a lot of space. But just having a stronger understanding of design before getting there will help immensely.

The fuck? No.

R&D is humongous in any major tech company. Ph.Ds are a vital staff for any research department of a major corp.
If not in R&D, I know plenty of people with Ph.Ds that work in thinktanks.
Dude please get back in touch with reality

This. As company goals and focuses change and shift these kinds of things happen. Whole departments are created, modified, phased out (firing) etc throughout the lifespan of big companies. If 50 people get laid off in a 1000+ employee place it’s no big deal

>GF is a way better programmer than me
>gets hired for a good position in a field she enjoy for a big company (microshit)
>first year sucked for her because they paired her with all the other minorities (she's black) and she had to do 95% of the work because everyone else didn't know wtf they were doing
At least I have a chance.

Also she has plenty of horror story about how those Visa and foreign(Indian) coders fuck up entire projects by themselves and never get in trouble for it.

Fuck computer scientists and fuck Turing.

>It’s the fucking NES all over again

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Nothing too specific, mostly because the stuff is more personal and damming, but she is essentially in true corporate hell. She graduated with software engineering degree and got hired in this company but the company it'self is only really starting to move onto software based solutions. She's essentially part of their new in-house software developing division so she has to deal with both dumb shit /pol/ tier boomers and with diversity hire bitches with the daughter of a higher up as a manager.

This is terrible advice for someone getting better.

Real-world problems -- at least those that are unsolved -- are typically unsolved because they're actually fucking difficult and not particularly accessible for an entry-level person.

You have to start somewhere.

>projecting
lol

>Everyone in my family and friends is telling me to go for PhD

>Get it

>Wonder why I cant get a job
>Have been flipping burgers and going retail for a while

>This fucking post

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This
Raise of the AA games and indies games is amazing

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No it isn't. If you're in the right place right time but don't have the skills (i.e. intelligence) needed in that place and time it will do you no good. And no matter how motivated you are you'll be limited by your intelligence.

That sounds like a good plan. I'll try that out. Thanks user.

Are you...absolutely retarded?

What do you think an "NGO related to the academy" is if it isn't a thinktank?

What do you think a "private research firm" is but R&D? Although most R&D is actually done by universities, so you need that academy job.

You stupid.

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The opposite gaming stock rise big today after market analysis showed people are spending record amounts on video games aka the gaming bubble is only growing

>Making old 2D games was so much easier
You keep using modern examples of recreating those games in the current day.
If you're comparing the most basic 2D games with the most complex cutting edge 3D games today I might agree with you
But the average programming task for your average 3D modern game with more tools and resources available to you is not significantly more difficult than programming older ones from scratch.
Having to both do the research and the "work" when programming makes developing older games, especially 3D ones more difficult than most newer ones today with few exceptions.

please tell me this is from a doujin

"I want to make my own game" isn't exactly an unsolved problem, but it is a real-world problem

Not really
THQ made several games with a staff of fucking 20

ellen is cute

Sorry user.

When kids ask me for career advice I tell them to apprentice as a plumber. Being real out here, people who can handle shit are never going to be out of work long.

i wish to hear these stories

also it sucks that all the actually talented hires get dragged down by the exact policies that are supposed to uplift them

>But the average programming task for your average 3D modern game with more tools and resources available to you is not significantly more difficult than programming older ones from scratch.
As someone who's done both, you're wrong, and it certainly is, everything about 3D development is more complicated
You can program Doom in a week

>be kid
>have all the ideas in the world
>cant program for shit

>be adult
>be programmer
>sucked out of all creativity, cant think of a fun unique gameplay mechanic if I tried

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>even people with phds are complaining about not getting jobs
What hope is there for me in this world? Is military the only option left?

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This
Like damn nigga stop.
You already outpace movies and music calm down

Kojima is just a literal ideas guy

>No it isn't. If you're in the right place right time but don't have the skills (i.e. intelligence) needed in that place and time it will do you no good.
lol, if only you knew
that's why the upper crust of most companies is so incompetent you know
They aren't smart, they were just there when the company started

I'm not even averse to hard work for a living but what the fuck happens if your body gives out before you're able to retire? You'd be completely fucked.

>and her code sample doesn't require more than an hour of my debugging and recompiling to run
Wait, what?
People summit code that doesn't even fucking work to try and get hired?

While that may be true, I feel like the main thing I have aptitude for is physics and engineering. The only other gig I have lined up is a recruiting position in HR and there's no way in hell I'm doing that for the rest of my life.

they dont tell you what PhD they have

>Boohoo some nasty words appeared on my screen

Good fucking riddance

I doubt that

Then you have no experience working in the real world

I think his advice has to deal with people with entry level of programming

Writing for loops ,fizz buzz and rote learning of algorithms all day wont make you a better programmer.

My best learning came from projects trying to rebuild sites or hearing an algorithm and trying to recreate it. When you apply your knowledge is when you truly learn.

If you actually remember your ideas as a kid, you'll realize they'd be unplayable garbage.

would you care to expand on this?

i still have some gameplay ideas i made back before i started programming and i treasure them as they are the only scraps of my creativity left

What's the difference?

>Met this women in a bar
>Start talking to each other

>I work in the IT too
>user: So you are a programmer?

>No i invent concepts for new app's!

>Literally a "Idea guy" but with a 110k salary
>mfw

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You seething at the boss asking you to actually work doesn't mean they're stupid.

>Wait, what?
>People summit code that doesn't even fucking work to try and get hired?
You see it...I wouldn't say commonly but it's not all that uncommon?

Especially with entry level positions (which is most of the hiring).

"My b/w comics are getting published by FAKKU"
is what your patreon says and I'm pretty sure some of the comics you did before that are no longer on sadpanda.

desu i want to make a simple 3D game but the amount of work to produce 3D assets and animations turns me off

>doesn’t make any games
>only money makers are a card game and a meme shooter, both of which can be supported by three tranny designers and one developer.
>lays off the rest
How is this surprising

I have some left over and they were pretty fun sounding. I just lack the ability to continue spurting them

same, user. it hurts so much.

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I would be upset too.
But instead of getting upset I will ask how she got that position and try to take it.

because I'm too dumb to find any job

Bet he was a faggot am i right.

Apologies, I read too much into your earlier post.

What's the patreon?

What company? I need a job with this dumb CPEG degree

well don't project that onto how the real world works
"my boss is an idiot and only got there because of nepotism" is probably the most common complaint across any job

Shit, I'm currently applying for that kind of shit.
Should I just submit a makefile together to be sure?

>I will ask how she got that position
By being a female "in tech".

So is college just a big scam or is everyone just gunning for the wrong careers? I always wanted to be a meteorologist but never had the money for college do is it worth it?

Jealous seething disguised as accusations of nepotism is common in the workplace yeah.

My wife's brother who has a Ph.D literally works for a finance thinktank sponsored by Vanguard. Fidelity, Morgan Stanely, Johnson and Johnson. Any blue chip company will have a dedicated R&D staff made up off Ph.D members.
Of course to get a Ph.D do you need have to done work for an academic institution. But to say that your only options are Academia when you have a PhD is extremely retarded.

that's what you're saying though. I'm saying that boss got there because he was better/more intelligent, you're saying he got there because he was at the right place/time (which is what nepotism is to some degree)

Nope

Yea but they all seem to have studied Communication and Media

whatever ideas he had probably weren't very good or well thought out, but they are completely untarnished by the constraints of a programmer's mind. many of the ideas i have left are a total bitch to implement, but that's exactly what you want. weird & original ideas that don't fall into the trap of being typical derivative game bullshit.

if you want to see a game made by a man with 0 creativity left, look up artifact by richard garfield. you can see that the man knows how to design a game, but he no longer knows what powers the whole experience (fun) or how to make it work in a way that is exciting

being jealous doesn't make it untrue

You don't know your own patreon? Should be easy enough for you to find.

The obvious issue of saying that you don't use algebra on a daily basis in CS aside, there's something else which confuses me. "...you haven't used seriously in the real world at all since high school." That part there is a common sentiment people have about any mathematics beyond basic arithmetic and it confuses me.
I recently wanted to modify the doors in my house for extra storage space. I wanted to cut out the centre portion of the door and put a shelving unit in there essentially. However, I also wanted to know what the optimum volume was, without the back of it colliding with the architrave while opening. So, you measure up the door, do your trig, and simplify it down to a generalised volume integral and solve to find the optimal depth and width/volume available.
That's a pretty mundane DIY project, and you use basic integration and trig for it.
How the fuck are these people living if they don't even use algebra?

Do you not?

Well if you're talented enough, I'm sure the problem will sort itself out.

marketing roasties gettin' toasty

the latter is usually more common
that's basically what middle management is
and for every guy who has a good idea there's 10 guys hanging onto him trying to profit off it too

the indie bubble has already burst, the aaa can survive if the drop the marketing budget to half. aaa games are usually hardcore and we know about them the second theyve started development.

but the market is oversaturated and even ea is feeling the pinch. good news for gamers when devs realize theyre competing for money of people who wont buy the next hot thing because... practices like micro x will fade away like indie games.

a lot of people could just eyeball something like that instead of having to do it by hand though