Baldur's Gate 3

Dear lord is this for real? please lie to me user.

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>Avelleon to assist with writing.
love this meme, guy hasn't written anything of consequence since he left obsidian, prove me wrong

BG is such a comfy low level adventure

>RTwP combat

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Divinity is clearly and intentionally aping Ultima not BG

>None of that applies to Baldur's Gate though. >There weren't actually that many ways to interact with the world in BG.

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Written to have characters*

Fixed that for you. There were maybe 7 fleshed out companions in BG 1/2 combined. Minsc, Viconia, Edwin, Imoen. Aeriele, Jan, Saverok and Anomen And Viconia clearly got more attention than anyone else.

Making it out like anyone was super attached to the characters they added stuff to is ludicrous.

Obsidian has gone to shit without him though

Weren't there some legal issues with D&D videogame rights?

>Obsidian has gone to shit without him though
They already went to shit while he was there. Dungeon Siege 3, Stick of Truth and Pillars of Eternity are all incredibly bland and forgettable games.

>Downgrading from superior D:OS devkit to infinity engine style garbage.

What the hell is wrong with you?

For that matter what the hell is wrong with all of you? The game is dead, the people that made it are infected with various diseases, of the body or mind, or gone completely. Let it die a peaceful death in our memories as a good game.

Fuck sequels that aren't made by the same team at a MAXIMUM of five years apart honestly. Fuck them all, fuck them forever, movies, vidya, fuck em.

i actually managed to finish stick of truth and pillars of eternity whereas div:os was so bland and forgettable that once i left cyseal i lost all urge to see it through to the end. the story was complete and utter nonsense and the world was like some offbrand d&d for the village retard

Avellon's character in D:OS2 was the worst. He was so out of place, he felt like a self insert, as well.

Pls be 2nd edition

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>still wanting another BG game in the current state of the industry, genre, and devs
How many games have to flop before you fucks can just move on already?

why not 3.5?

Because normalfags can't stand the best edition

>All they need to do is RTwP
Please no, one of the few things that make D:OS worth playing is turn based combat, none of that RTwP garbage.
>Divinity is clearly and intentionally aping Ultima
So was BG.

Larian would completely fuck up BG

>Please no, one of the few things that make D:OS worth playing is turn based combat, none of that RTwP garbage.
why the fuck are you even interested in a baldur's gate game if you don't like rtwp nigga?

This. BG is a soulless romp, something to turn your brain off on, grap the overpowered items early and cruise through the game. Larian is way too soulful for Baldur's Gate.

dude i hate the sjw bullshit of beamdog as much as the next guy

but the enhanced edition of bg2 right now is objectively the better one with the amount of ease of use features they've added like quick loot and quick save.

fuck the new characters tho

Nooooooooooooooooooo it isnt, jesus christ Larian fags are so delusional

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>people that made it are infected with various diseases, of the body or mind

Last I heard Muzyka and Zeschuk were doing fine

God no, please not beamdog they will fuck it up.

You forgot to add that they made the Tranny in SoD unkillable afterwards because too many people were killing it.

Larian are garbage, divinity 2 had writting on par with a reddit front page post. Least pillars 2 had some fucking god tier writing.

>yfw Codex was right about Obsidian even years ago and everyone called them spergs

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>Least pillars 2 had some fucking god tier writing.

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>pillars 2
>god tier writing.

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>doesnt even know the Devs name

Ouch.

Hello, Larian lapdogs!

Both have shit writing. Larian writing is filled with comic relief and cringe, PoE writing is filled with empty sentences and desperate attempts of sounding smart.

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>god tier writing

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>WAAAAAH THEY'RE SHITTING ON OBSIDIAN
>THEY MUST LIKE LARIAN
Are you legitimately that buttdevastated about D:OS2 destroying PoE2?

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>Beamdog
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Nothing is sacred anymore!

God bless

it should be in 4th edition, that shit is made for video games

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sadly, I agree with this

Ya dudes i totally agree remember the EPIC MOUSE character divinity 2 got? God, that was so fucking epic i done a heckin snoot on the booper he reminded me of my doggo!!

if it is larian hopefully they hired better writers

>PoE writing is filled with empty sentences and desperate attempts of sounding smart.
kind of like that sentence then?

This.

If it's going to be like the enhanced editions and dragonspear, then it's going to be total shit.

>this is the worst thing he can think of

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I love DOS1 and 2 but even I know that's bullshit. The character building is completely different, the combat is turn based and doesn't follow D&D rules, The party is limited to four, the world consists of a few large maps whereas Baldur's gate had many that needed to be travelled to through a world map screen and DOS has more emphasis on equipment. Also, BG didn't let you create an atom bomb by filling a box with countless explosive barrels.

I agree that 4e is for Vidya, but I do not agree that BG should be 4e

just kys already fucking homosexual autismo

Nobody has a clue what they're talking about on this board anymore. The only demarcation that matters these days is that of "thing is good (because I liked it or heard that it was good)" and "thing is bad (because I didn't like it/heard that it was bad".

well you can tell almost everytime company go with we are progressive and everyone need to know you can always bet that the writing will be bad i for example already can tell that the writing in the new Dragon age will be shit by just looking at the writers on twitter
and by all means belive whatever you want
i dont have problem that someone is progressive or crazy commie everyone do have some crazy period in his life

>BG3
>BG2 ends with you becoming a god
?

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No, kind of like your reply

>"wow, your bigotry is showing."

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Kys, Hemingway

youtube.com/watch?v=iW4kLV73kSI

Maybe something new.

>pulp 90s writing filled with 90s cliches good
>pulp 2010s writing filled with 2010s cliches bad

>Your bigotry is showing
I bought POE 1 on sale a couple weeks ago. there's none of this shit in it, is there?

>old thing good
>new thing bad
What else would you expect from a bunch of children and nostalgiafags?

No.

Jesus wept

Id say its Brian Fargo himself who works on it. He did say InXile are working on something that isnt Wasteland/Bards Tale and that Microsoft was very interested in that project.

>et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly
This pasta is fucking great, and then there is this awful line. Yes they're fucking awful and completely ruined the game, but fuck off with your "le progressive and leftist friendly xD".
No. Leftists do not like what the fuck they did with Baldur's Gate. And fuck you for implying that their awful shit was in any way leftist.

It's extra hilarious to see people whine about D:OS rats but say BG's writing is better in the same thread when Minsc is a thing.

Old is good.

>for example already can tell that the writing in the new Dragon age will be shit by just looking at the writers on twitter
Are you sure you don't mean "seeing screenshots from Twitter reposted by shitposters on a Mongolian bone-carving forum"?

Why care for a resurrected IP if its not the same devs? It will be shit anyways with or without the Baldurs gate name

this entire pasta is fucking retarded
i dont think any fan of baldurs gate would possibly complain about that, BG never took itself too seriously and there is plenty of levity and comic relief in all the games

>use a mod to remove the extra party shit
>???
>Profit

>This pasta is fucking great
It's particularly funny if you played BG "at the time", or at least not relatively recently.

Say that to the legions of nostalgiafags on here who hold it up as "muh pinnacle of flawless wrpg writing"

>modding games to remove content that triggers your extremely specific political leanings
Pathetic.

>i dont think any fan of baldurs gate would possibly complain about that
Except they do, here, on /vr/, on other websites, you name it.

So now Bioware wants to destroy Baldur's Gate. Great. There is no way modern Bioware won't fuck it up.

>wow, your bigotry is showing

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>modern cRPGs

lol

i dont know what screen you mean
my point was i do not have problem that someone have diffiend politic that me that is absolutly normal but the moment someone start virtual signalizing and do moral faggotory then you can tell with certainly they will instert it into the writing with so far always happened and it was bad really bad
now i do not except that if you hold some view it will not affect your work but you should atleast try to minimize it something that people like Avellone do

I know, it's just depressing to see people fawning over the mainstream of yesteryear because the mainstream of today is too typical, or too normie or some contrived justification for how their consumerist products of the past were somehow more "pure" than they are now.

As if the greatest act of counter-culture is getting mad on imageboards like that isn't mainstream in of itself.

The best part is that Minsc is basically just one giant "HEY I RECOGNISE THAT THING" reference as well.

>Implying
I don't care for politics. I just don't think they fit. I'm glad they didn't do that shit for PT

BG doesn't need to be about the Bhaalspawn, there's so much more to that city and the land surrounding it.

Bioware don't have the resources to make it; or the technical ability while they're still shackled to Frostbite.

>Wow your bigotry is showing
What the FUCK is this?

Your concept of virtue signalling appears to be "talks about this issue."

Which is retarded, because in that act by complaining about virtue signalling you are yourself doing more virtue signalling by putting yourself above that. (Signalling some kind of virtue as it were.) And on top of that people have inserted their politics into their work since writing was a thing. Avellone injects his politics into his work constantly.

You shoud seriously give Pathfinder Kingmager and Divinity: Original Sin II a try.
If you dislike those, you never liked cRPGs in the first place and are just a subhuman shitposting zoomer.

Oh boy, I can't wait for socialist propaganda and to get told how evil I am for being a straight white male.

>post-2013 or so
>getting excited for anything that comes out of the west

Alright, so who on the DA team are you talking about? Just so we can be clear about things going forward.

You think that went stop them? The fact that they are in financial ruin only means they will push out some half baked shit to try and cash in on the name alone. Bioware hasn't given a shit about quality in over a decade.

Name 3 games that do this with specific examples.

You can't.

well let's see Daniel Vavra hold some right wing views yet if you played his game you will not find anything that would suggested to you that the game was writtened by someone who holds very right wing ideas now looks at Dragon age or pillars eternity 2 or he new Mass effect Andromeda and you will be abble to tell after 20 minutes that the game was writened by progressives and lefties who want sto virtue signal to you

A new character dealing with the wake of Chaarname personally kicking the shit out of Lloth to get his waifu back

twitter.com/eplerjc/status/1071164223219228673

I think not having the personnel available to work on the project might be a pretty big brake, yeah.

fuck off, divinity is only at all good for combat system, its shit as rpg.

pathfinder kingmaker is essentially is baldurs gate 3 already, theres no need fo a new game under that title since pathfinder will keep releasing more modules from now on and most of those tabletop proven modules are way better than "original do not copy" scripts written by amateur game writers

A narrative director is not a writer.

>Daniel Vavra hold some right wing views yet if you played his game you will not find anything that would suggested to you that the game was writtened by someone who holds very right wing idea

What are you talking about? every game he's written has been laced with paternalism.

>"Dragon Age is about hope, about how love and friendship are forces for good and about how, in the end, what we have is each other."
That has to be the gayest shit ever, no wonder the series got progressively gayer
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>DA:O
>Leliana's song is an impromptu thing just to bolster spirits in a truly shit time. People just look up, smile and keep going.
>DA:I
>let's activate sing along mode!

And I think you're wrong. They'll get EA to throw a team small team together to push out some barely functional shit. The idea isn't too put out a great product. It's too cash in on the name. Most of the rpg elements with be ripped out. The dialogue options will be extremely limited. Countless bugs everywhere. And the game will push some left extremist agenda. The initial sales will be in the millions because zoomers will buy it thinking that they are supposed to love it because of nostalgia by proxy. And that's all that matters to EA and Bioware. They just want those huge initial sales numbers to pad the loss that was Anthem. If you think this won't happen this way then you are delusional. Not having the resources isn't going to stop Bioware when they are owned by EA. Especially when EA is a corporation who is all about cash grabs.

>If you think this won't happen this way then you are delusional.
Alright, let's agree to disagree. If you're right and Bioware are making it I'll come back and make a thread admitting you were right; if I'm right and they're not you'll do likewise.
Deal?

>you will not find anything that would suggested to you that the game was writtened by someone who holds very right wing ideas
I hope you're joking.
Kingdom Come is so cartoonishly and unapologetically right wing from its basic premise it takes either balls or massive stupidity to say otherwise.

>And the game will push some left extremist agenda.

We all know that multinational corporations are all about Bolshevik propaganda. Andrew House is just sat there waiting to purge the kulaks and established the Electronic Soviet.

Ironically, Baldurs gate "cash in" games made to exploit the name actually werent bad i.e. Alliance

>Baldur's gate 3
>with current year game's industry writing skills

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>Baldur's gate games
>well written

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Sure. If they don't announce it by the end of the year I will make a thread admitting you were right

Does anyone know how to decrease your magic resistance with EE keeper?

I know exactly what you mean. Nostalgiafaggotry's always been a thing, but on this board alone it's become markedly worse in the past couple of years. It's like it's impossible to discuss anything new or even remotely recent here; I'm not just talking about the regular shitposters who are in every thread, if a game doesn't have some massive habitual shitposting the threads simply die.

Is it because there's now enough of a gap between release that new players/posters' only experience of the older games has been then being held up as "classics" by even older nostalgiafags?

>"Dragon Age is about hope, about how love and friendship are forces for good and about how, in the end, what we have is each other."
>DA: Origins lets you be a massive, irredeemable cunt to everyone

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If you're referring to Dark Alliance, that was 2001. Long before Bioware and the Western industry went to shit. They still cared about quality back then.

So he never played Origins. There only good DA game.

I can't wait for all the diverse cast and progressive thought processes the characters will be capable off!

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There's not discrete option? Then you might not be able to, I don't have the game installed so I can't check. Make sure you check all the tabs, though.
Why do you want to decrease your magic resistance?

I played around with it and now I can't reduce my resistance.

Alright, user, we have a gentleman's agreement.

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I think it's a mix of things, there was that upshoot of pol retards that just wanted to own the libs that somehow brainwashed enough of the 15 year olds that now anything modern is too progressive unless it's actively being somewhat reactionary. And the actual stormtards themselves who are mad that people call them out for saying nigger on twitter now who wish they could go back to the 90s when no one did that.

Then there's the as you said, nostalgiafags and neo-nostalgia fags who are just jumping on the train. (Easy to spot the latter in some threads, for example I don't know anyone that actually went totally gaga over planescape until the 25wis/22cha guide came out, older threads back in the day even directly linked the gamefaqs link to it because it's just the best way to play it.) And I think it's partially hit that point where people have forgotten the pain of trying to patch old games, I swear I'm the only person who ever talks about how fucking trash it was having to go to fucking fileplanet or some shit, download 1.01, then 1.02, then 1.1 for a game, install them in order, and MAYBE it'd fix the bug.

And then there's the people who just seem to genuinely think they're some kind of counterculture because they post on one of the most travelled websites on the planet instead of a slightly more popular one and consume mainstream products.

Yeah, a new team designing a sequal is like a band replacing its lead singer. Almost always a real bad sign.

>Pls be Larian

oh yeah, because when i think baldur's gate, shitty jokes and memes are definitely what come to mind

Actually wouldn't mind 5.

>"Ugh, I can't even."

This. History has a strong fascist bias.

>shitty jokes and memes are definitely what come to mind
Pretty much.

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>features they've added like quick loot
true, it is shit compared to other quick loot systems.
> and quick save.
was always in the game.
what else of use have they added?

That's exactly what comes to mind. I dropped the shit out of BG1 because of how shitty the dialogue was.

Literally the entirety of the "muh diversity and inclusion" shit. The "need" is built on the idea that inequality of outcome (what socialists are obsessed with since capitalism proved to be great at eliminating abject poverty) is caused by white males just being so evil and bigoted that they oppress the entire non-white world into being lazy, socialist, and unable to see something that isn't nailed down without stealing it. The solution? Neo-colonization via a farce of democracy that involves importing people by the millions and sticking them on welfare, stealing money from the productive and giving it to the unproductive (it'll eventually turn into their stealing their property directly once the scales tip enough, just like with South Africa), economic interference to make the workplace more hostile towards men, a tiered legal system that doesn't police non-whites who commit crimes, and discrimination against white male applicants in competitive positions.

It'd take a book to express all of my thoughts on this in detail and explain the reasoning to somebody who got their political views from early 2000s rock and their Marxist professors, but the point is that I refuse to support anybody who caters to the spiteful fantasies of the left and the final outcome of my turning into a second class citizen and possibly a corpse on the road with a bullet in his brain. So long as the western entertainment industry is stuck in this mode, I'm out, and it'll continue in its decline as hollow Marxist propaganda with nothing meaningful to say about humanity.

>Kingdom Come is so cartoonishly and unapologetically right wing from its basic premise
wtf are you smoking?

BG literally has memes. And shitty jokes.

I actually managed to do it via Effect tab.

You got it.

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>capitalism proved to be great at eliminating abject poverty
stopped reading there

>I dropped the shit out of BG1 because of how shitty the dialogue was.
sure you are not thinking of school?

Well done, user!
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, it's been a while since I missed with it myself and specific documentation was hard to come by. Enjoy the game.

We also know who's making it. A bunch of feminist trannies, that's who.

for instance?

Thanks.

Have you even played the damn game?

90's memes are still memes.

Or NPC's named after X-men quotes or Foreshadow. BG has always had on the nose jokes.

not that guy but
>true, it is shit compared to other quick loot systems.
no its not, its perfectly adequte and vasxtly superior to no quickloot system, especially how often your drops got stuck in doorways in BG
>what else of use have they added?
right click to inspect abilities, the ability to see contingencies in your spellbook, zoom, vastly superior inventory screen with additional information provided, superior character sheet and far more readable journal, among others

i don't know why everyone is buttblasted about this scene.
it's a cathartic moment for the character especially if you were roleplaying him as skeptic about being the messiah of andraste or whatever.
sure it's kinda cheesy, but it's well put in the game

It's gonna be shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=GFzWbbNO_Ic
wow this is so deep and profound and not at all cringe-worthy

>music/a song is one of the biggest thematic elements in the entire series
>people don't like it because muh cheesy singing
It's just idiots looking to find things to complain about.

I have some bad news for you son. Capitalists, not socialists, are the ones that want to "import" people as you put it. While busting organised labour, because organised labour means that you can't just not raise wages.

You have been unironically indoctrinated by either just the general media, or potentially by right wing demagogues. Because there exists no place in the united states or Europe where minorities aren't policed, no one is trying to turn men into second class citizens by saying "don't be a sex creep."

>Baldurs Gate with D:OS' battle system
Everyone would hate it, because they hate change, but fuck me, I'd love this shit.

It's not totally off... the spirit comment. Being able to do something out of the box, like put together some explosive, happens all the time in table top. Party size reflects edition - old modules are balanced for larger parties (The Night Below recommends 5 to 8! players) but more current editions are balanced around 4, 5 tops.

>character that is supposed to be a brain-damaged spouts inane shit
woow the cringe!! so cringe! somebody better cringe this to le r/cringe

youtu.be/OZlQCRwkeB8?t=47m17s
wow oh yes it's just that one character and not the whole game

Just get over the fact that you're blinded by nostalgia and the game has shitty dialogue all around. The vast majority of it is shitty jokes and memes.

>Minsc
>Brain damaged
It's not like he's the only one to pull this shit either.

>by complaining about virtue signalling you are yourself doing more virtue signalling by putting yourself above that. (Signalling some kind of virtue as it were.)

If only we could print all this sophistry out on hemp and strangle you with it. Then we could smoke it with the rest of the sane vidya fans as a reward.

this confirms anyone with this image saved is actually a poser since they can't tell the difference between BG and Divinity

>Wow, your bigotry is showing
You know, I don't even care that they wanna give you the option to be "progressive", but at least write it in properly. This sounds so out of fucking place.

Just as long as its not Obsidian, the creators of the dullest rpg of all time. Each attempt Obsidian makes to create their own universe rather than simply deconstruct a setting made by others, has been more disastrous than the last. Aside from the outdated gameplay and lifeless cities, Pillars of Eternity's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of combat mechanics, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Sawyer vetoed the idea of making anything at all innovative or original; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable nostalgia pandering to ageing Baldur's Gate fans. Pillars of Eternity might be anti-casual(or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Divinity series in its refusal of spontaneity, fun and excitement.

>a-at least the writing was good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.

Later I read a lavish, loving review of Pillars of Eternity by the same David Gaider. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kiddies are playing Obsidian games at 17 or 18, then when they get older they will go on to enjoy Dragon Age II." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Pillars of Eternity" you are, in fact, trained to shill for Bioware.

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no, youre just a fucking cretin.
he's LITERALLY brain damaged, you're explicitly told he suffered head injuries that are the reason for his behavior.

Based Pierce Brosnan "No!" poster

>n-no you
Kill yourself, nostalgiafag scum

>The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.
>I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.

Please don't act like this isn't what CRPG fans for years kept pretending that they wanted. It's exactly what everyone kept saying they wanted to see and how it was such a shame no game does this any more. Proving once again, game fans have no idea what they want.

Yeah, I think you've done a good job of classifying it.
It's weird, people whose only interaction with a property/game has been hearing about it from others have always been a thing, and then you get the neo-nostalgiafaggots whose views have been shaped entirely by their interaction with the first group, and it's like we've hit the point where that's iterated so many times there isn't any discussion about the actual games at all, old or new. We're just talking about these nebulous concepts of the games that have accreted around them like a shell.

Hell, only the other day in one of these threads I was arguing with someone who was legitimately defending BG2 as being flawless who had no idea who Arkanis Gath even was, or the flag slowdown bug, but was convinced that the game was perfect because he played it five years ago and it was a classic. Jesus Christ, don't remind me of what patching games was like, I don't even want to think about that - and like you said, that's if you could get a patch in the first place and weren't fucked because you had 1.09, the official version was 1.11 and skipping between would break the game.

I'm honestly not sure that starting to browse regular forums would be that bad of an alternative, anymore.

To be fair, D:OS1 is pretty LOLs0rand0m with the memes and jokes but they improved a hell of a lot in D:OS2, the characters are genuinely well written and compelling and the memes and 4th wall break a lot lighter. The DLC squirrel is dumb but I never let him in my party and he's easy to ignore so whatever.

I'll take anything over the skin crawling soul destroying cringe of SJW dialogue anyway.

Not to mention IWD 2, the game that could most do with more polish, fixing and content, they won't touch with a barge pole.

Fuck Beamdog and the lazy cashgrab they rode in on.

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Infodumps are not bad if the info is consistently interesting. The problem is when games go on long unskippable tangents about things that don't matter at all and aren't interesting.

Which will come out first
Baldur's Gate 3 or Bannerlord?

Please do

yes, you. a mongolid who thinks for writing to be good it has to be profound and touch upon the very nature of existnce or some shit. BG is a very competently told dnd campaign that does fear being at times light-hearted and referential and succeeds at creating an atmosphere of a grand advventure; which is precisely why its held as one of the best rpgs of all time and the whining of contrarian neckbeards wont change that

Iwd2 source code is missing

Ancient grognards that started white knighting for leftists and assorted indie hipsters should have had their writing pass and dice bags revoked. Game fans didn't want any of the pointless pages of exposition or esp. those horrible backer stories every five feet.

Based. Trannies and faggots on suicide watch.

I started playing through IWD1 a while ago. I'm constantly running out of healing and have to carry a million of those small healing pots (the shops don't sell any better potions). It's a little bit boring.

Let me trigger you using forbidden knowledge.

>patch 1.08
>patch 1.09 (dead link)
>patch 1.12 - official
>Install all patches in order.

Godspeed.

Yes they did. If you went on RPG codex any time between the release of Knights of the old republic and the kickstarter CRPG revival they were all bitching about how there's no big infodumps any more. And people literally backed to get them in.

Those mentally ill sissies couldn't resist putting that shit in in the first place. That being said, I'd rather flagellate myself with a fucking spoon than play BGEE.
Just fucking install BG Trilogy.

I don't even understand why people here seem to hate RtwP. Everyone who criticizes it, when questioned, turns out to be a brainlet who never understood how it actually worked.

In hindsight, it might have been an okay line coming from a female character, but i comes off OBNOXIOUSLY faggoty, like goddamn i can practically smell it with my left nostril it's that much

>BG is a very competently told
The word you're looking for is "barely". "Barely" competently told.
You're right, because it gives you the atmosphere of a grand adventure is exactly the reason it's held up as one of the best rpgs of all time. That's because it's being held up by delusional nostalgiafags who, because it has "muh atmosphere", can overlook all the problems with the writing, the narrative, the implementation. It has the right atmosphere and I enjoyed it when I was a kid so it must be perfect and beyond reproach, right?

>>"Dragon Age is about hope, about how love and friendship are forces for good and about how, in the end, what we have is each other."

>Dragon Age: Origins & 2 was about mortals corrupting heaven and unleashing unspeakable darkness on the land in a gritty high fantasy game of thrones

WTF happened.

Explain how it works.

>If you went on RPG codex

That shit goes in an expanded manual. You know who did that perfectly? Warhammer Online, whose ingame manual looked just like the OG fantasy book. Fucking work of art that game and EA fucked it like they do everything else. You don't hammer the player over the head with that in the middle of the game though.

Stop... stop!

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Nice try, resetera

You literally went around trying to get all the races to be friends so you could fight the bad guy in DA;O.

Literally what people wanted, people were mad that games didn't infodump them because of impatient console kiddies that didn't want to read. I agree about WAR tho, good game, one of the designs single handedly created the entire hype train behind it too, mad lad, shame he never really continued.

Pls be turn based

>Origins is about getting a bunch of different races and factions who shouldn't give a shit about you to cooperate to save the day
>the entire mythology of the world is that everyone is on their own because the creator has turned away from the world

I would be on board with ruskies who made Kingmaker making BG3, their game is solid. Hopefully they learned on their mistakes and avoid disastrous launch next time.

using brain damage to explain reddit tier humor is fucking gay. Face it, Baldur's Gate humor was the reddit """geek""" humor of the late 90s. Where do you think the neckbeard stereotypes come from?

Why do people pretend to like these games so much?
I'm trying to get into them, and I've seen plenty of people say shit like
>parties should have a mix of classes, but just try some and mix and match
When you literally can't do that. Characters get fucking pissed if you try to swap them out and leave forever, so all the faggots saying this must be brain-damaged or something.

Anyway, who should I pick for my party on my 5th attempt to play through BG1?

WoTC refused russkies the license hence why they went to Paizo in the first place

no, competently is precisely the word im looking for faggot. PST aims to be more fo narrative driven game, iwd is more combat focused, bg is somewhere in between them; it has a very consistent tone throughout the saga, it oiffers a rich and memorable experience in both the story and interactions as well as combat. its a complete package and despite few minor problems its leagues ahead of 99% of wrpgs that came out since then. in fact the only one i can think of that comes close is MotB. i replay BG2 yearly and am in the middle of a playthrough right now so you can stuff your buzzwords up your ass

>twitter.com/eplerjc/status/1071164223219228673

>Dragon Age is about celebrating our diversity and differences.

EA can't collapse fast enough. These people inherited all the best of the PC gaming world and fantasy lineages and what have they done with it? Turned it into an echo of the worst of corporate drudgery and identity politics.

A pox on all their cubicles.

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Have they ever remade bg on nwn engine? Slap better graphics over that and I would play it.

I can go deeper into your repressed memories.

>www.fileplanet.com
>Patch 1.02 (link)
>Patch 1.05 (Premium link only) (external link to gameplanet only available for free users)

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Beamdog couldnt even properly do the remakes, they just stole content and slapped it together. I seriously doubt theyd actually be competent enough to make a game, even a bad one.

Ok, I'll try to explain the issues with criticisms I've seen. Firstly, you have COMPLETE CONTROL over your party AI. You can have it completely turned off, or go as far as to create full, custom scripts to automate the actions of any character how you want.

Secondly, you also have control over when combat events trigger pauses, giving you the opportunity to respond to any given event, but otherwise you can leave things running and have characters perform actions on their own without having to micromanage when you have no reason to.

On top of this, rounds occur discreetly, and effectively function as individual turns.

These are the common reasons I've heard as to why it was supposedly bad as opposed to more fundamental problems with the D&D dice roll systems that I feel are worth attention.

please tell me more about a game you never played as represented by the fact you didnt know about misc being an actual retard

Why not wait for a sequel to a beloved turn based RPG instead? Oh wait there aren't any because it doesnt work in practice.

The whole uniting races thing wasn't because they wanted to be gay with each other, it was a matter of obligation to the grey warden treaties and survival

In general it makes the player feel disconnected from the combat, there's issue with how long a round lasts (which movement and pathfinding exacerbate), and lasts longer overall while not providing as much depth as traditional turn based.
With BG specific there's some retarded shit about conflicting timers. This thing might last 10 seconds, this thing over here lasts 4 rounds. Not to mention how stupid it is to take a turn based system and try to make it real time in the first place anyway.

have been debunked
no BG3

thank god

>no, competently is precisely the word im looking for faggot.
If it is, you should probably double-check what that means. Both games are obnoxiously railroaded at times, even for an rpg; the backstory for the second game (both games when you think about it for more than a couple of seconds) make no sense, the implementation of many things including spells was completely broken, BG2 shipped with a gamebreaking bug that was never fixed. But because it was "good enough" you're happy to let all that slide, and keep mumbling "muh buzzwords".

I played Baldur's Gate 2 and it has cringey 90s writing that would literally embarrass you today. Muh brain-damage trope is a lame excuse.

What do you think friendship means, faggot? Are you suggesting I want to be buttbuddies with all of my friends?

Weed. It's usually what lefty turds smoke.

They only even reference the idea he took one too many bumps to the head in BG2. And it's literally 1 line at the end of his biography (different to his BG1 bio)

Deeper.

>Patch 1.01 (2 megabytes) (download servers for every region, downloads at 100 kbps)
(patch 1.1 (120 megabytes) (download servers for any region except one that you aren't in is locked behind premium, downloads at 20 kbps)

Name a game with a writing you consider good. I'm really interested to hear that.

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hopefully we get the superior beamdog version now.

Personally as someone that agrees with him 100%, the best scripts in any video games are from Shadow Hearts 2, and a small indie game called CONSORTIUM.

Will /ourguy/ make a return?

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People still do that because those websites pay them ad revenue or something and it's fucking infuriating.

CRPGs are trash

Of course, its what all healthy trannies want

...

>mutual survival pact with hostile races that each consider themselves the chosen people of god
>except elves as they are effeminate bottoms
>"celebrate diversity"

How do you celebrate diversity by making everything homogenous?

How about we bury nonsensical lefty platitudes where their stink can never again encroach upon any form of fantasy writing instead?

Any game without lame maymays has a leg up. I rather a game have simplistic or even no writing than nerd humor. If you want an example of nerds embarrassing themselves with corny humor and still making a well written game, Torment is the obvious choice.

>hundreds of millions of dollars get poured into music and movies that tell you to blame capitalism for all of the world's problems and turn to the government for salvation
>every fucking pop culture band of the past three decades is trying to get you to vote Democrat
>the politicians that get coronated by the 1% of the 1% are people like Bush and Obama who hardly small government guys
>when you get someone like Trump who actually shrinks the government, they freak the fuck out and throw everything at him in an effort to stop him
>lefties still live in a complete fantasy world where the 1% is pro-capitalism

Capitalism is the non-interference by the government in the economy. The problems that you're talking about are caused by the corrosion of capitalism by idiots who think that more taxes, regulations, and centrally controlled industries are helping them instead of creating an environment where the rich and powerful can more easily crush growing competitors who could get a war going and fire up those jobs, wages, and innovations. You think they want you to be able to move into a flat, live off of ramen, and start selling a competing product on the street? No, they want you to have to pay for a legal department, a license, and to have enough resources to be able to negotiate a tax exemption, and then they want you to go through their "specialist" on the regulatory board.

As a gamer, you know as well as anybody how much spite businesses can have for the fact that money doesn't just fall in their laps by default. It's a constant mission of those who've made it to change that.

>people actually want turn based with D&D rules
why

theres no reason for turn based combat with vancian spellcasting

>Capitalism is the non-interference by the government in the economy
No it isn't. Capitalism is the use of Capital to create income. That's it. That's why you can have "state Capitalism". I hate conceited people like you.

>BG1
Treat it as more of a party-based exploration game, BG2 is the more usual strongly-narratively-driven rpg.
Anyway, Imoen, Jaheira, Khalid, Minsc, Dynaheir.
Coran, Kivan and Kagain are all pretty powerful party members.

>hostile races that each consider themselves the chosen people
Oh, so you didn't bother actually playing the game you care so much about. Good to know you're just a delusional shitposter.

>wanting a Baldur's Gate developed at this current video game industry mindset
yeah better get some bleach

lmao can you make these compaits any more vague. setting aside the compalins about bugs and broken spells without mentioning the specifics, how does the backstory for either game make no sense? and how are either, exspecially 1, too railroaded when youre basically give a full map to explore with vague hints on where to proceed next?
no, but it would turn away a jaded joyless husk of a man who cant bear with a bit of levity in a fantasy setting.
he's got 8 int too

Why, it's fucking boring

>CONSORTIUM
Is that the first one or the more recent one?

Not him but thanks .I was also trying to get into 1.

I don't trust any current company right now to work on Baldur's Gate 3. Larian would be the closest but I haven't seen their non goofy writing.

i'd kill for Larian to do it
hell i'd kill for D&D to have those elemental combo's

i weep when i look at sword coast legends, where the fuck is my 5e game, not this fucking amalgamation of shit

high charisma helps to keep your partry members in check but certain characters will always come to blows like edwin and dynaheir

It's real but that writer got fired by Beamdog. Beamdog legit thought having a diversity writer would have brought them more sales. Instead Siege of Dragonspear tanked. They stopped OC content and focused exclusively on just "remastering" the games now.

>Capitalism is the non-interference by the government in the economy.

Literally the opposite, capitalism requires governments to create markets and to protect those markets. Where do you think Capitalism as a concept started? Post-civil war England, when Parliament ousted the king and started dividing the lands between themselves and creating property markets, using their power to enforce rents and protect the markets they had created and thus use their capital to produce wealth. This is why liberalism and capitalism are perpetually married, liberalism provided the philosophical justifications for this. You should read more actual theory before you try and talk about it.

8 int is "slightly dumber than normal" it's described as "losing trains of thought" and his 6 wisdom is described as "seems to be unable to exercise forethought"

not "drooling idiot"

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>I don't even understand why people here seem to hate RtwP
Because:
>The idea of creating a (mostly) real time system where you have still the freedom (and necessity) of pausing it at any given time to refresh orders means you've created something that actively conflicts with itself and can't decide whether to be turn or real time based
>Actually gives you too much control because of that too since you can almost always backpedal or game the enemy AI in cheap ways, giving the turn based elements less commitment
>The idea of turning a turn based system into a real time one, and do it in the most half assed possible way to the point of having neither is not just stupid but incredibly boorish, though this is mainly a problem with BG stubbornly sticking to D&D instead of creating a new ruleset that would actually work on the basic design ground of being built around real time
>Combat AI is garbage on a fundamental level and no game should ever play itself, no RPG especially, which is why the game is so obnoxiously painful to play
>Somehow gets more drawn out than pure turn based due to the necessity of properly implementing necessary handicaps like cooldowns or active range in a real time environment, which in a turn based environment are purely happening behind the scenes without influencing the actual representation, making things concise and faster
RTwP is just awful all around, it's a mediocre, clunky middle ground that does neither turn based nor real time elements well, an awful attempt at introducing more "realism" in a genre where approximation and abstraction are the main rules.

I reached the point where a BG sequell actually makes me angry, because it's gonna be shit.

Wtf man

>where the fuck is my 5e game
in the trash where 5e belongs

The first one, The Tower isn't close to being complete yet desu, I love it and I have sank hours into helping them debug it and provide testing feedback, but I would only recommend people go for it once they've decided they want to be on board this wild ride personally.

(Also back them on fig instead of steam, that way they get more of the money and you get the special backing features)

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agreed.
they just need good writers and a somewhat more apropriate design for a dark setting and it would turn out pretty good.

>I don't bother reading threads or reply chains, but here's an excuse to post my shitty reaction images

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Pierce always knew what makes a good game

>you have too much control
>but also the game plays itself
pick one fagboy.

RTwP speeds up what would otherwise be painfully slow combats by allowing rounds to pass significantly faster

>hating on 5e

Yeah Wizards&Dragons was sick give me that shit, i hate having other good classes

>pick one fagboy.
Those are not inherently conflicting elements.

The Bhaalspawn saga is over, this is just sick. I understand they want the name value but is nothing sacred?

>3.5 martials weren't very good
>so lets make every class boring and shit instead
wooo thanks wotc. Eat a dick

5e is the best D&D has been since AD&D 2.0.

>boring and shit

I've played both 3.5 and 5e

Martials suck in 3.5 and part of the reason is because they have no good or interesting abilities/tools so you have that backwards, seetheboy

BG IS about the Bhaalspawn, Baldur's Gate the city is only a backdrop in the first game.

BASED beamniggers poster

>Baldur's Gate 3 follows the journey of the child of Gorion's ward and Imoen, a result of incestous relationship of the two Bhaalspawn and subsequent rape of the latter.

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except that 5e is written for literal toddlers and women to play successfully. Its a far cry from ad&d

read it again shitbrain

>setting aside the complaints about bugs and spells because I have no valid response
Fixed that for you. Finding the signposting of BG1 "vague hints" is exactly what I'd expect from someone who's defending the writing as flawless.

>And how are either, especially 1, too railroaded when you're basically given a full map to explore
The first game executes the exploration aspect best, but once you advance the plot in Baldur's Gate it's basically a straight run to the end with no meaningful impact on the plot whatsoever. The second game again frontloads the exploration aspect (except it's even more constrained this time), and it also brackets a nonsensical backstory for the main villain with absolutely retarded railroading of the main character (paladins being forced to side with vampires or murderous thieves? Good writing!). The timeline of Bhaal's plan makes no sense and the game itself vacillates to try and justify it. The vast majority of your interactions with other characters is the typical Bioware 'lawful good or pointlessly kicking puppies', and even beside that the dialogue is of an average quality at best.

Half the classes (martials) in 3.5 were already boring to play and were shit on top of that, im not confusing anything here

I loved the Dark Alliance games, are standard Baldur’s Gate games like them?

yea and now all of 5e is boring to play because we dont want spellcasters to have fun

Like I said, maybe if you weren't some ESL ape it would have made sense

He's still right about every other point. Our capitalism is fettered hard by socialism. If you're a middle class independent contractor you're paying FORTY THREE PERCENT in taxes. Meanwhile darling of the left Amazon paid zero.

More like pls be fake, it doesn't matter who works on this it's going to be a shit and ruin the older games.

The fettering has almost all been destroyed. The tempered capitalism of the post-war era is over, it's back to what it's supposed to be.

Thanks for the writeup and recommendation, user, both look really interesting so I'll definitely check them out!
And thanks for the tip about Fig, I try to avoid using Steam these days so it's nice to know there's somewhere else I can get it and the devs get a bigger percentage too.

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no, Dark Alliance games are more akin to Diablo and the like

the original BG series were CRPG's, isometic strategy roleplaying games that focused more on story and tactics than just facerolling through a huge number of enemies from screen to screen

Larian would be a fitting studio for making BG3. Both BG games and Larian garbage are hack&slash trash that has nothing to do with RPGs, so they would be right in their element.

You didnt substantiate that though

>buuh i cant wreck absolutely any campaign with my blatantly OP bullshit

Stay seething you massive bitch, the OP (or "fun" as you like to define it) shit is just in the double digit levels now, you are crying about nothing

I will happily shill for CONSORTIUM any time. It's one of the best choices and consequences games ever made, even if it's hardcore indie jank at times.

you havent mantioned any you absolute moron. and from the beginning the conversation was about the writing, not the technical aspects.

getting to baldurs gate is 80% of the fucking game, of course the columination to the story is going to be more straight-forward and the pace will be faster as sarevok finally puts his final plan in motion. thats not a valid complain whatsoever.
in BG2 you can pace your exploration however you want, you can proceed with the main quest basically right out of the dungeon if you wish, nobody is forcing your hand.
how is irenicus's backstory nonsensical? how is making a choice between the lesser of two evils having no other options bad writing?
character interacitons are hit and miss, some are obviously more fleshed out than others, ill concede that, but thats not the main strength of the game. most of your complains range from too vague to even adress and complete bullshit, though

I bet he's just eaten old /tg/ 3.5 shilling.

i love bg to death, been playing it at least once a year since bg1 released, but i really couldn't give a fuck about this. it's fan fiction. it's not going to be ADnD, the writing will be leftist tripe, it will have no soul, no understanding of what made the originals good. there's literally NO fucking chance that this turns out to be anything other than a shameful cash grab and an added pain in the ass when you're trying to google baldur's gate links.

Can I have Neverwinter Nights 3 instead

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so why are there so many bhaalspawn? Did Bhaal like fucking around or something?

Meant more of the setting, the feel, and how classes all feel unique in their progression.

Change the image filename to beamniggers and you got yourself a 10/10.

>you havent mantioned any
Jesus Christ, if you don't know what I'm talking about without my having to specify you're clueless about the game, as well as being illiterate.

Do these people have no self awarness? What are they gonna do next? Start using meme arrows?

>in BG2 you can pace your exploration however you want

You lock yourself into going through like 2 acts before you can decide to explore again after you decide to push through the first Athkatla section, and you can miss a ton of shit because of that.

>(paladins being forced to side with vampires or murderous thieves? Good writing!)

You make this point each time. The game doesn't have to cater to your sense of virtuous roleplaying with every possible option.

>You
It's not the same poster every time, user. We've been over this
>every possible option
It's not about "every possible option", you're turning it into a false dichotomy. It's a railroad because there isn't even a reasonable range of options.

>lol find out yourself
wow great retort, faggot. tell me about how some unspecified gamebreaking bug from vanilla BG supports your point of it having bad writing again
in other words your choices have consequences
i thought i was having a deja vu, i remember this faggot getting completly obliberated about this very point in a thread like a week ago. how can you be so passionate about such miniscule aspect of a game yet be so wrong at the same time?

Yeah, probably

I would be pissed as a 3.5 DM , i sure do love my campaign being dismantled by a level 1 wizard who rolled with sleep and color spray

>It's not the same poster every time, user. We've been over this
haha yes you are you autistic cunt, nobody agrees with you and nobody will.
>you're turning it into a false dichotomy.
lmao oh my fuck

BG2 shipped with a bug that would eventually cause so much slowdown it would become unplayable, and it was never fixed in any official updates. The fact that you don't know this proves you're a delusional nostalgiafag who didn't even play it at the time, or indeed anywhere close to the time of release

I am positive Larian came out and said they weren't doing it. OS3 seems like a super safe game to make, but I hope they can transition into a 3D world even if its at the cost of being 20 hours instead of 40-50.

>nobody agrees with you
>literally in the last thread there were multiple posters all pointing out the same thing
What did he mean by this?

>lmao
Not an argument, nostalgiafaggot

Bethesda

It is getting the Fallout treatment

>not knowing about the basic bugs in spell implementation

>being too young to know people have been complaining about this since the release of the game
Newfaggot

This reeks of false paranoia, missinformation and being deluded by right wing demogagues, while at the same time thinking you are more clever than you actually are for drawing incorrect conclusions, that make sense on the first look, but fall apart at deeper analysis.

>not having every possible option is the same as only having Bioware's shitty railroad excuse of a plot
lmao
Is this the mental gymnastics it takes to defend Bioware's writing?

Youre a shit DM picking piss easy monsters that any barb is going to dismantle anyway. Spell Resist, high will saves, pre-combat buffing, traps, etc. Nobody needs to fight cr 1/2 goblins and rats.

>a result of incestous relationship of the two Bhaalspawn and subsequent rape of the latter.

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>The idea of turning a turn based system into a real time one,
Brainlet identified. D&D has always stimulated real time through turns, RTwP just shows animations for everything. Hell, you can even set it to pause every round.

RTwP is a terrible combat system and D&D style games would be improved 100x with turn based. Prove me wrong

Low level D&D combat can take ages, turn based would make the entirety of BG1 an unplayable slog.

>This entire post
>Calling anyone else brainlet
Not only you miss two of the main points of that complaint, you're also a legitimate idiot.
No wonder though, we are on Yea Forums after all.

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>making the fighter wait 5 minutes to watch animations just to declare attack

Your points were nonsensical and entirely subjective. You can cheese the AI, great, that's a limitation of the engine and techniques of the time, which is why it's true for nearly every genre.

BG is one of the most overrated game series ever. Its literally a reading simulator.

That comic was so painful to read.

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it gives me pleasure to know you're incapable of enjoying anything anymore
i bet you're also a nazi incel, makes it even better lol

Owlcat with actual betatesting > Larian

Thanks for properly representing the Bioware-Audience.

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WoTC cockblocked them

They didn't make them unkillable.

Low level combat is actually the fastest since its before the HP bloat sets in. Higher level would need balancing, or a higher level of skill from the player

You play the entire party in a ttrpg video game

This makes me sick

These are the people who bitch about RTwP

Yes they did. It was stealthily patched in later and is the reason why I never finished SoD and tried refunding it.

Source? You can still kill them in 2.5.

>you play the entire party
correct, and the majority of them aren't going to be doing anything crazy turn to turn. Those who I need to issue serious commands to I can pause for, otherwise I really dont want to be stopped every 6 seconds to declare an action that was the same as the past 4 rounds

Bioware is the single worst thing that happened to RPGs.

They managed to dumb down an entire genre and cultivate a whole audience of people too dumb to read books.

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>Low level combat is actually the fastest since its before the HP bloat sets in.
You also can't reliably hit at early levels. Try playing baldur's gate and grabbing ankheg plate at level 1, it's not unusual to sit for 20+ rounds making 1 attack per round before one of you dies.

>knows who's making it

I guess Bioware since... well, they made the first two and hold the ip.

I love old CRPGs but BG just goes too far with millions of scrolls and shit.

Btw I haven't played any games developed by Bioware.

You can literally start up the game right now and check for yourself.

>pillars 2 had some fucking god tier writing.

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>I love old CRPGs
no you dont, you are just some soi-filled nu-male bitch and probably too young to be browsing Yea Forums.

Also I really really hate RTwP combat.

They didnt cultivate it, they attracted those people that were never interested in your nerd DnD to begin with and just came for fantasy adventure

You also haven't played Baldur's Gate apparently, as scrolls are few and generally short. Most commonly, you find scrolls for a bounty on you, with the reward steadily increasing.

He didn't wrote DS3 tho.

I was 13 when BG1 came out. You do the math.

>Hurr shit DM just account for every infinite possibility bro

You're fucking retarded, especially if you think this issue is limited to just a handful of problem spells or something, here's a list of absolutely fucking retarded gamebreaking spells, most of which are available at levels 1-6

Alter Self
Astral Projection
Black Tentacles
Comprehend Languages
Divine Power
Enlarge Person
Entangle
Freedom of Movement
Gate
Glitterdust
Knock
Mage's/Mordenkainen's Disjunction
Magic Circle vs. Evil/etc.
Mind Blank
Mirror Image
Planar Binding line
Protection from Evil/etc.
Polymorph
Polymorph any Object
Resist Energy
Shapechange
Wall of Stone/Iron

Look at all this shit and tell me changes weren't necessary, oh wait fuck you, you can't, you secondary casual faggot

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Post bald head

I already said she's still killable. If you're asking me to go on adventures to prove you right for you I'll just assume you're making shit up.

Bullshit I tried getting into BG2 again few years back and the whole starting area was full of books.

>Avellon's character in D:OS2
Who was it? Lohse?

Hope it's the slavs who made pathfinder

>entangle
>black tentacles
>resist energy
>mirror image
>glitterdust
>anywhere near broken

jesus this is your brain on 5e.

So you can easily check for yourself RIGHT NOW but you refuse to do so because it would prove you wrong.

Ok.

>your brain on 5e.
Not the same user but I can tell that you never played 5E because it nerfed all Battlefield-Control spells considerably.

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Alright, remove all of those spells and you haven't even diminished that list by half, you're just being a sore bitch at that point by going "w-well you're right but...!"

>wow, your bigotry is showin

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what game are those brainlets talking about?

Is there a term for this? RPGs that are heavily towards females? Girl RPGs or something like that?
Dragon Age 3 and POE2 were the same thing.

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I dont care about being "proven wrong" I asked you for a source and you have none. Considering that this is the third opportunity you've had to provide any evidence to your claim you obviously made it up. GG.

that is just random game lore, you don't have to read any of it. just check your journal.
first dungeon area is like a tutorial the game opens up like a mother fucker after.

>Lohse?
Dude, it was obviously Fane
>Le quirky snob skeleton that is actually thousands of years old
>Literally responsible for everything that happens in D:OS2
>Most important character in the game and also the one who knows the most out of the entire cast
>Muh past

Fane. I'm fairly sure he just wrote his origin story too. I don't know how much of an impact he had on the actual dialogue.

>I dont care about being "proven wrong" I asked you for a source and you have none
The source is the game. Thats it. The game we both have and for some reason you are moving the goalposts.

> Considering that this is the third opportunity you've had to provide any evidence to your claim you obviously made it up. GG.
I find it amazing through how many mental hoops you are jumping to just start up the game and check yourself.

Do you have autism?
If not the why argue for the sake of arguing?

>I know someone that works at Beamdog.
>Beamdog is literally down the street from me.

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>why argue for the sake of arguing?

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It's Beambog.

Exactly.

>Least pillars 2 had some fucking god tier writing.

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Fane was great though, I loved him. He becomes such a bro later in the game.

a female character called aspen willow oak or something. if you make fun of her name being about trees she spontaneously combusts, it's very silly

>article about a twitter post
>post nowhere to be seen
I learned to not turst headlines, what did brian fargo say exactly?

>Fane was great though, I loved him.
Fane is even more insufferable than the Red Prince or Sebille.

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i haven't played with npcs for like 15 years dude, custom multiplayer parties where you create all 6 characters from scratch, that's the shit

>what did brian fargo say exactly?

>suck my dick choke on it

Vs. 3.5 that's been done to death and a balance mess.
2 also archaic at this point
Lol 4 we want the WoW crowd and so bad it spawned wotc's greatest competitor

Also
>thinking wotc will approve anything but 5e for a game

Best case is wotc gets on board with the Russians now that they've proven themselves with kingmaker

and if you do insust on using npcs, strong choices are kivan, kagain, edwin, viconia.

also either aTweaks or Tweaks Anthology mod has a component which lets you disable nocs from complaining, leaving the party, or fighting amongst themselves.

imo you should roll with 4-5 characters, you'll level up faster and it's less micromanagey. all you need is some form of 1 thief 1 cleric 1 mage, the rest is up to you. halflings dwarves and gnomes have great defensive saves too btw, very strong for tanky characters

Best case scenario is BG3 takes place on the other side of the planet and no one ever mention any of the events or characters from the earlier BG games. At least then the sjw and tranny "writers" can't assassinate my favorite series more than they did with ee and sod.

Can't wait for Aerie to have divorced the Bhaalspawn and go full 'i don't need no man' strong woman

/tg doesn't even plug 3.5 cause it's garbage

And I am comfortable saying this after DMing it 10 years

>Red Prince
>Sebille
>insufferable
I don't get it, did you hate everyone in that game? I had no problems with the characters.

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>turns out to be a decent game
>except it has one slightly SJW line in it
>Yea Forums will hate it
Every
fucking
time

shar-teel new pc confirmed

I've said twice now that I can still kill her in the game. You don't have a source. You tried to make up a rumor and you failed. Feel free to reply and call me names or whatever if it makes you feel better.

You're asking him to prove a negative. He can't. You can prove the positive. But for some reason you won't. Could it be the axe wound between your legs?

>bundled with the originals.
Wait, what the fuck, how come I don't have that?

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i see this meme all the time, you're completely ignoring the fact that sjw's don't know how to make video games. there's literally never been a good game made by a team that was crafted with muh diversity protocols rather than a meritocratic application process. it's not just a matter of principal, they are just dog shit at their jobs

He has the same source as you, retard. Your word is as good as his. Use the fucking consosole, teleport to the area and try to kill the tranny. Literarally 5 minutes you absolute moron.

right > left

Quit defending autism. That's not even the situation I was describing.

I'm guessing it WAS originally but they stopped selling it altogether after a point

You're leaving out the part where the left gets 1 shot every battle and you have to save scum through the game to make it even remotely enjoyable.

It's not a negative. If something is changed in the game there would be patch notes, testimonies, backup, etc for that change. You are suggesting that it is impossible to prove a change to a game occurred, which is retarded.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. If you want to convince me that you can't then you're going to need some kind of evidence. If all you have to say is some bullshit about me or my personality or how dumb I am or something then you're just evading the topic which means you probably made it up.

>quit using arguments I don't like
He is right tho, people SJW enough to let their spagetti spill in their games are talentless hacks that can't make a fucking fun game to save their lives.

what

What said Beamdog replaces the originals after a while and the only to get besides already having them is downloading them elsewhere

PT is the only exception. And I'm damn sure that's only because Avallone went to bat for it.

that's not even a valid argument though. Saying an entire game is shit just because a couple in the game is gay is autistic. The only way that shit is acceptable is if you're trolling. Which I really hope is what you're doing.

It's terrible, cringey and most importantly, unearned scene.
It comes out of nowhere and it doesn't bolster shit, as it's too damn funny. It feels like Bollywood dance number in the middle of The Terminator.

I mean, The Witcher 3 came out roughly at the same time and look at how they integrated the singing scene into the game.

>They didn't make them unkillable
>I already said she's still killable
Burden of proof is on you dumbass. Maybe instead of playing video games you should read a book.

No it isn't. You made the original claim that the character was made unkillable.

Name a game made by SJW's that is good

only the original 1.3 release of the ee games are good. in the bug 2.0 update they butchered much of the backend, fucked up the sprites/rendering, broke basically every mod, splitting the modding communit between pre and post update versions. they should have fucking left it alone but they had to shit it up with their dirty fucking fingers

>t. I'm not going to acknowledge I am an abject moron and my posture is indefendible, as various people called out, because I'm a lazy fuck that can't even start the game to see if I'm wrong
Then shut your trap and stop posting you fucking retard.

>le meme arrow faec
what am I missing here? "bigotry" as a term has existed long before your phantom war against SJWs and feminists, are you sure you aren't just seeing things for the sake of raising symbolic pitchforks?

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Oh no, you called me a name. Now I'm convinced that your rumor you made up is true. Well played.

>the character was made unkillable
>the character was not able to be killed
>not

>the character can be killed
>the character is killable

Which of those sets provides a negative claim? Which set provides a positive claim? How are you unable to tell the difference? Unable as in not able, a negative.

kys tranny, nobody likes you. Not even you like you, that is why you lie to yourself about who you are.

Baldur's Gate isn't just 2.

as I suspected

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>putting 9th level spells on a list to try to justify bitching about sleep/color spray
All the low level spells you listed are fine and can easily be countered.

Youre a strawmanning shitter who cant build a decent encounter to save his life so a wizard walks all over your garbage campaign.

And youre just an illiterate retard because that list is clearly referencing the 3.5 versions of those spells

>too stupid to even understand you are talking to 2 different people

Positive claim: "This happened"
Negative claim: "No it didnt"

The burden of proof is on YOU to prove your claim. I've challenged you to do so and you've told me you have no evidence, no source and it is impossible for you prove anything. I hope you see how your argument has failed to convince.

I'm not even him, just a guy who hates shitty logic.
Things get left out of dev logs and updates all the time.
Explain in detail how one could prove that a character is unkillable.

>did you hate everyone in that game?
No, Beast and Ifan were alright, Lohse was bearable by virtue of being a non character, RP, Sebille and Fane are just irksome.
RP never stops with his "muh empire" shtick until you meet Sadha, which is where he gets bearable but also the point where he basically stops existing until you get to the Consulate in Arx.
Sebille has the same problem, she starts out as a bitch, her forced femme fatale act she uses inbetween her sperging is written really badly and makes her more of a nuisance than an interesting character, especially when she just drops it entirely once you get into Act 2 and find out about the scions, at which point she becomes a non character until again, you get to the Consulate in act 4.

Fane though, Fane is actively annoying for ALL the fucking game, never stopping to remind you about oh, how cool the ancients were and is actually too autistic to even understand your quip options (that also do nothing to develop him really), his few roleplaying options like bitching at Amadia only underlying how awful and autistic he is despite putting on the erudite scholar farce, his whole pseudophilosophical arguments about history are pathetic, and not because they're meant to show how pathetic he is, it's because they simply are so low effort you can't believe they wrote shit like that in an effort of making him see a misguided, but intelligent guy like he's supposed to be, they're just incredibly dumb, especially for somebody who's supposed to be as intelligent as him in the lore.
>>>

>not Dark Alliance 3
I literally don't give a fuck

>tranny is actually too autistic to recognize when a turn of phase is clearly out of setting

And what's worse, unlike RP or Sebille, Fane is LITERALLY responsible for EVERYTHING that happens in D:OS2, at least with RP or Sebille had the decency of making them some organic characters with their own place in the world and a good, contained story, making them fairly believable, if a bit annoying characters, Fane instead is behind every event that happen, literally every single thing outside of maybe Lucian deathfogging the elves, which was Hannag and RP's fault more or less.
The ancients' downfall?
Fane's fault
The Godking becoming a crazed power hungry abomination?
Fane's fault
The rise of the Seven and their successive betrayal of Rivellon?
Fane's fault
Voidwokens?
Fane's fault
Sourcery?
Fane's fault
Magisters going third reich?
Fane's fault
Braccus coming back to life?
Fane's fault
Shriekers?
Fane's fault
Dallis excavating the Aeteran and being Braccus' unknowing puppet?
Fane's fault
Fane's daughter actually killing and wearing Dallis' skin while turning the Magisters into the Gestapo, resurrecting Braccus and giving him more power?
Yep, still Fane's fault

Him getting a tiny bit more mellow near the end of the game like all the other assholes doesn't really save an awful character, and the fact that he's also an unrepentant asshole despite full knowing his responsibility on everything he unleashed makes people hate him even more, though that's arguably the only good written part of his character too.

>low level cc too potent in 3.pf
>just give everything spell resistance
user, games don't need to start at rocket tag levels.

Patch notes. Logs. Videos of someone trying to kill them and not being able to. Developer commentary, etc. There are many ways for you to provide evidence to your claim. Since I know that the character can be killed and have done it you're going to have to provide something to convince. You can't.

DELETE IMMEDIATELY

To be fair, having EVERYTHING be one persons fault is practically what Divinity has always been.

>Path notes. Logs.
Changes to games get left out all the time
>Videos of someone trying to kill them and not being able to
This is not proof. If I show you a video of someone trying to beat Mario and failing does that prove it cannot be done?
You cannot prove a negative. This is basic logic, Philosophy 101 tier. Note your own words
>I know that the character can be killed
>can be
That is a positive claim. You are asking for anons to prove a negative.
This will not convince you. For your own sake I hope you spend some time reading and thinking in the future, but probably not.

worst timeline

Youre right, it would be better to pick creature families with protection or immunity to certain types of effects. Any swarm is going to molest a level 1 wizard unless they have a teammate that can bypass swarm traits. Alternatively, multiple casters that don't stand in completely retarded positioning, archers, etc. can all be a menace to a low level wizard. Give something player levels and teach it to counterspell.

Its a high magic system and ultimately does devolve into magic v magic, but at that point you can throw the martials some artifacts and shit so they can keep up a bit better. A wizard certainly wont completely warp a campaign unless you do nothing to stop him. Hes not the only wizard in the world

BG original saga

I've had enough of the Forgotten Realms, give us a better D&D setting already ffs

Take the homebrew pill user.

Red Sun when?

>SAD! I'll show you sad, you arrogant little girl. You've had it coming since we started talking. Draw steel, bitch!

In theory, you could see a 5e Eberron, or possibly Spell Jammer or Dark Sun campaign, based on where WotC has been going with their other material.

I can't see them doing anything else as it would break with their marketing strategy for several years now.

>Can't wait for Aerie to have divorced the Bhaalspawn and go full 'i don't need no man' strong woman

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NOOOOOOO leave the series alone!

I'm hearing excuses. Still no evidence.
>That is a positive claim. You are asking for anons to prove a negative.
It is. And I'm not seeking to prove that claim. You seem to have an interest in people believing your claim, however, and it is not currently believable.

And yes, "She is unkillable" is a positive claim. Not a negative, as you seem to think.

If only it was only the writing. Imagine a Baldur's gate with microTX for classes/items/exp potions/ "quests", and gameplay simplified to the point where it's not worth thinking of builds anymore. That's what I fear.

It is a negative. You could easily prove all of us wrong by going into the game but you wont. Thats the amazing part.

Its like the man who saw a zebra, closed his and screeched that this animal doesnt actually exist.

Stop it!

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>She is unkillable
>She is not killable
>She can not be killed
>positive claim
Parents, family, schools, society, all have failed this man

>I'm hearing excuses. Still no evidence.
Start up the game. Record it, we´ll wait.

> And I'm not seeking to prove that claim
You claimed I was wrong and are too lazy to check for yourself.

Back up your words, autismo.

Now this post is just retarded

He might be an incel but you're 100% confirmed retarded.

Thac0 or bust.

Also if find familiar doesn't give me like 7 extra HP at first level I am not interested

Alright this constant back and forth between everyone piqued my curiosity. I thought you guys were bullshitting about invincible tranny but it checks out. After several attacks she disappears with an instant teleport. I didn't try for a backstab but even if that works, it's super fucking gay that the devs decided to police the players experience of the game.
Running sod on steam with latest updates btw.

You mean the same way they didn't provide anything other than positive dialogue options with the tranny?

> t. ranny