Which anime has interesting magic world setting?

>the only exception being the "break all rules" class or something.
This. Not that I'm saying that HxH is bad overall but it would've been a lot better without that shit

I like Devil Fruits, the concept of physic-breaking powers being essentially given at random is not very common in manga, where powers are usually decided by lineage or training.

>No such thing as just spamming fireballs and ice.
There was lol. All they needed is the magical circle and they could basically do it anywhere.
Roy was spaming envy with fire when they were in an enclosed space with limited oxygen, Scar had the ability to destroy whatever he wanted by simply havig tattoos, First ep ova had a guy create gigantic icewalls by placing magic circles around the city etc etc

I think devil fruits deserve to be higher up

Nah, the best solution is a Power Ceiling.
The characters cannot get any more powerful and every conflict must require creativity

Jojo keeps the pace absolutely on-edge by the fact that most stand users are fighting with gimmicks and the cast must outplay the villains using the cards they have

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magic comes from the gods or special descent (demonic/divine)

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I like world trigger's load out system, works really well with it's team battles

Mahouka setting is a sufficiently analyzed magic indistinguishable from science

>muh first episde
retard detected, not canon
>spaming envy with fire when they were in an enclosed space with limited oxygen
they were in tunnels with plenty of oxygen ciruclation

I mean jojo isn't a great example, the protagonist's powers always scale in a world where most powers stay the same. They tend to discover an extra feature that really has at best a tangential link to their original power. This, in a world where powers don't change much at all, means that though it doesn't get to stupid stakes of world go boom boom all the time, scaling is still happening.
Don't get me wrong, it needs to happen, it's a great tool to show progress as a character and in plot. But you analogy with cards is a little off, it's like holding a jack that eventually you find out is a queen.

First off, to use the circle, you must have knowledge about alchemy

I'll give you Roy's combustion spam as it was "rule of cool" moment
Scar's arm was magic.

>thread about anime
>episode 1 of the anime isn't canon to itself
Are you sure about who the retard is?

I enjoyed the magic "system" in Rokudenashi akashic records. breddy cool that the author recognized that there would be shady military applications for all the nuances they created within their system

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Is there any point in including the tree one?
It can coexist with any of the other settings.
It's simply a backdrop to where the magic comes from like mana in the air, magic organ, blessing from spirits or whatever the author wants to explain their magic.

Jotaro Kujo is a Mary Sue, mate

Just look at the other cast to actually good points.
Polnareff is everyone's Chad who faced Dio even if completely alone, injured, and not a chosen one

>you always have to sacrifice equal amounts for the result you wanted
IIRC that's what Edward believes "before" someone pointed out he fixed the radio without any cost

Bro my whole post was about protagonists, yeah jojo side characters are unchanging and have to be used in turn by the author, but that's true for most stories. Side characters change very little and the protagonist does. It serves to highlight his progress. When side characters also scale you start to make it really dumb, because it only forces the protag to scale even harder. But yea polnareff like other side characters don't scale. And that's good.

the conservation of energy/entropy issues are resolved by the giant gate thing everyone has right?

I mean, it is clear that Araki saw that Jotaro got too powerful and nerfed him badly by part 4 to the point that Time Stop barely works anymore.

The tree one implies some sort of natural balance between preserving/caring/nurturing nature and using magic.

FMA alchemy needed 0 activation energy for any reaction and could also add kinetic/heat energy for free.
2003 anime explained it by human souls from our world powering the alchemy.
I have no idea what the main series said it was, something about tectonic plates.

>You had to train for years to unlock magical powers?
>Must've been rough

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>implying Devil Fruit does not take years to fully unlock
In fact, half of the crew trained for years to perform magic without a devil fruit

It takes years to master a Devil Fruit but minutes to get the hang of it once you've taken a bite.

At the cost of losing the ability to swim.

As a fucking pirate

Slayers

The "expense" of alchemy depends on what you're doing. Obviously there's some natural conversion rate when you're transmuting one material into another, but the limitations on physical manipulation (i.e. the shape of the end product) are very vague. What do you have to pay to change the shape of a rock via alchemy? What's the limit on how much you can alchemize at once? There's a few core ambiguities like that which the story just dances around. Like the mechanics of alchemy circles are never explored beyond "circle make alchemy happen" because basically every major alchemist character either has clap hax or just carries their specialized, signature circles around with them.
It's possibly a testament to good story telling that you don't really think about the ambiguous elements as you read the story.

>First off, to use the circle, you must have knowledge about alchemy
Well yeah it depends on understanding alchemy but once you do you can spam as much of it as you want, doesn't mean its a bad system btw
>I'll give you Roy's combustion spam as it was "rule of cool" moment
If only that retarded niglet piece of shit Edward wasn't there to ruin the moment by spewing his femenine shit about how "revenge bad!" After he already killed lust lmao
I don't recall the tunnels they were in actually having ventilation. So it's only natural to assume there was limited oxygen by the time the construction of it was over.

Just wear a life-saving jacket

>one piece
>pirates

Fairy Tail.

>minutes
It still took luffy years to do anything usefull with the fruit. He was training like a madman to be able to even use the fruit in combat, and its shown during one of the flashbacks with sabo and ace.

Sometimes in fiction magic only comes from one source, and the ramifications that result from it is how that source is used for the benefit or detriment of the setting.

In Witch Hat Atelier, all magic comes from magic ink, which decides its type from the type of notches present in the enchantment circles. The main form of drama in the series in part is that everyone thinks only magicians can use magic, but only ink is required, meaning anyone can use magic. In the past this caused horrible wars and suffering causing knowledge regarding magic to be highly regulated and any layman who knows the secret gets their memory wiped.

In a canceled manga I liked, The wolf won't sleep. A fantasy protagonist gets isekaid into another fantasy world. Although both are fantasy worlds,in the world the MC comes from magic and magic tools are far more common, in the world he's transported to magic is far more sparse, which is an interesting issue he had to overcome.

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There's soft world building and there's hard world building

Soft means that barely anything gets answered and mystique is preserved. Ghibli being the prime example
Hard means that the author did plenty of research on how it actually works and it affects the world. Tolkien is the example

FMA falls mostly on the Hard.
It prances around on the small things but when it comes to actual huge issues that can affect the plot, rules are set in stone.
It's a way to have a sense of intrigue while also preventing plotholes from appearing

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You don't need to be a pirate just because you ate a devil fruit

No, the gate is just what allows you to utilize alchemy. The energy comes from tectonic activity for western alchemy and some natural chi flow bullshit for eastern alchemy. Or the souls of dead people from our world in 2003 FMA.

Most real life pirates didn't bother to learn how to swim because falling into the sea was pretty much a death sentence either way.

Does Mahouka count? I really like the way they do it.

True, people falsely make distinctions between magic and science. It is all the study of the Devil's creation.

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NAY!

God made this world and "he saw that it was good"
It is our duty as his disciples to fully understand the artist using his strokes

PS
This was actually discussed by theologians and led to the movements against witchcraft and magic

God set his rules for this world.
Any attempts at cheating the rules can only have two sources

If it's from God, it's called Miracles
If it's from the Devil, it's magic

Witchcraft and contacting the dead are forbidden because the devil may answer instead.
But it can be done by church clergies to call for saints.

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I don't know, it doesn't seem like the author put a great amount of thought into the profound effects that the ability to transform bulk materials into precious resources would have on an industrial society.

>something about tectonic plates.
That what the mass was told. The truth is Father using his Philosopher's Stone to power ALL Alchemy done inside Amestris. A bit silly if you really think about it. But it explain his total control of all Amestris Alchemy style.

That was like among the first few episodes

Ed turned coal into bunch of gold by sacrifing a bag of gold.
It lasted only for 12 hours

>Chosen ones
example?

>gravity is basically just an illusion due to the fact that we're accelerating in place due to the curvature of space-time
real life really is strange

Wasn't he specifically trying to trick some dudes and skirt around some law against transmuting gold?

>State Alchemist are forbidden from transmute gold.
>Arakawa even explains why, twice.
I'm pretty sure she has some thoughts about it.

That's because his fruit is special, not because of the Mythical Zoan stuff, but because throwing an elastic punch means having precise control of your body, since you need to be able to essentially throw a punch back and then add the snapback power to your following attack.

We've seen four characters who fought almost immediatly after eating a DF
>Kaku from CP9 who had trouble controlling his transformation at first but got the hang of it quickly
>Kalifa who made stuff up as she went along just fine
>Sabo who got the hang of Ace's fruit quickly enough to fight Burgess with itw even though he pointed out he lacked control
>Momonosuke who has troubles creating flame clouds or flame breath but will probably do the first very soon.

So most of the time it seems that you can at least get passable at ir immediatly.

Oooooh it gets even more fucky

Gravity is literally not real.
Everything is just time dilation
Things with higher mass would curve time slower.
Because Earth's mass is concentrated below, things at a lower altitude would experience less time
Things would then shift to always be concentrated to where time is slowest because they cannot leave it.
The more mass conglomerate, the slower the time, the harder it is to leave

Congratulations, you have predicted Gravity

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They understand the absolute basics, the people you listed were all veterans of actual combat. So they knew how to apply their new power, but were increadibly clumsy and basic at it.
Sure the fruit gives you the knowledge of how to activate it, but thats about it. Its like giving any strawhat a sword, they will know how to swing it and stab someone with it, but none of them would be on zoros level.

You misunderstand, the world we live in is a work of evil. To make distinctions between the Judeo-Christian God and the antagonistic force of Satan is meaningless, for they are both the same malevolent suzerain that oversees our blighted world. Both science and magic seek to understand and harness the power of our unholy master, yet in the end they only enslave themselves to him, for the contract to enter into the practition of magic requires the internalization of his greatest lie.

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Forget gold (although having access to gold in industrial quantities could open up a lot of interesting applications), just being able to convert iron into tungsten or titanium or whatever metal you wish would have a lot of fascinating industrial implications.