Do most people even pay attention to fight scenes?

If you mean in naruto then yes, they are well choreographed in manga and well animated in anime.

>whoever the fuck directed the 2011 fight didn't give a shit about choreography
Blatantly lying

I kind of agree with you. My friend hyped this up to me, and I honestly thought Gon vs HIsoka was still better. I guess you can say this shows the difference between a DBZ fan and a Naruto fan. Big blasts vs grounded hand to hand combat.

Bro, even the weirdest filler episodes will have decent taijutsu

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it's easier to do in manga than in anime.
>fast paced action usually becomes a slideshow of random hits, not enough frames are given to each attack to show it properly
>you can't stop and rewind without exerting big effort and stopping your immersion

I enjoy good choreography, even seek those manga/anime, but I don't particularly analyze it. I feel like that's reserved for someone who needs to study from it for their own work.

isn't strategy reserved for at least a unit/party of people?

all I can hear

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It's like music. You gotta change it up if you don't want people to get bored.
I guess you could have ambient fight scenes...

As a kid I stared in awe, as I got a bit older I'd be more snobby and look more into details and nitpick, now I can appreciate a well constructed action sequence but realize any fucking forgettable shit can have good action sequences so action alone isn't enough to get me invested

case in point Naruto can have "good" martial arts sequences here and there but it's all wrapped in shit so I don't care

I can't. I have dementia and fast action and flashing lights shuts off my mind.

Most people just look at the pretty colors, otherwise they would've seen how bad the choreography is in KnY.

Underrated advice actually, most writers seem to know only one way to do fight scenes but there are actually different types of fights depending on what aim to show with it. For example, a fight to show the amazing skills of two martial artists would be fast paced exchange hits and counters full of difficult stunts. Meanwhile, a fight where an inexperienced underdog kid taking down an intimidating monster would be slower, as the kid would probably try to keep distance, evading until they could come up with a strategy to win despite their difference in strength.

>isn't strategy reserved for at least a unit/party of people?
Why would that be? Also, this thread referred to tactics.

I don't see the difference between the two words.
I also don't see how tactics have anything to do with action. (again, unless it's a squad/army, able to plan multiple stages ahead, backup plans)

95% of fights don't involve planning ahead. just optimal responses to outpower/outmaneuver the enemy.

Most authors either don't put in much effort or aren't good at fight scenes.
I think that after dealing with these facts for a while, people begin to give up on them ever being good and lower their standards into the ground.

Fights involve both physics and psychology, of course there are factors to think about which can affect the battle.

Not as much as they should.

Demon Slayer is literally huge because of fights that are generic otherwise to a generic show but look REALLY fucking good. Of course people just want flashy garbage

Genuine question, how does one come up with good fight choreography that fits each character? Studying movies? How do you make it as original as possible while also being believable?

>as original as possible
Why is this necessary at all?

I'll pay attention to a fight as long as I can see what the fuck is happening without it being buried under flashing lights and motion blur. That stays true whether it's a boxing match or a Stand battle.

Whether it's memorable or not is different, and mostly unrelated to the actual quality of the fight.

>does anyone else enjoy little boy shows INTELLECTUALLY or am I alone in being a great thinker in the world of plebs?

Because I don't want to make generic shit that people tune out of. I know nothing is 100%,but I at least want to make something genuinely fun and exciting.

Well, do you? Am I? Who are you quoting?

*100% original

>I don't want to make generic shit that people tune out of.
All that matters is execution, none of the popular shonen are original for example.
>but I at least want to make something genuinely fun and exciting.
That doesn't need originality.

Not like you'll ever make anything with that attitude, anyway.

Memorable is another word I meant to include. And you have no idea who you're talking to.

why would you post this total fag for a topic like this?

>OP
>why would you post this total fag
Gee I dunno

Yes of course. Problem is outside of Togashi and Daisuke Ashihara, nobody does interesting fights.

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>useless ching chong ding dong flailing
Meh

>Recommended Reading: The Art of War
Whoever made this clearly hasn't read the book and only included it for its reputation. Strategy in TAoW is even weaker than in the manga on the right.

Depends, most fight in anime are
HAH-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH shit

In general I find fight scenes dull and they have to be very good for me to care at all. I'll pay attention to jojo fight scenes or HxH fight scenes becausae they're actually interesting, sort of like brain teasers.

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I'll also give credit to Demon Slayer for having mindless yet beautiful fights and not taking long to get to the point, I guess that's alright to watch while baked.

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The Odyssey is also basically ancient greek shonen manga

>highest IQ battles
What? Most of Jojons fights are boring and full of asspulls. Funnily enough I hated the fights in Jojo but liked everything else

Kengan Asura does this well
Usogui too

purely for fight scenes, Naruto has to be the king of shounen, even now. For some fucking reason, pierrot managed to get the best choreographers in their team, because most major fights are insanely well designed. Kakashi vs Obito showing off the two's history, Rock lee vs Gaara showing the power of taijutsu done properly, the last Naruto vs Sasuke with Sasuke consistently making sure Naruto never got off his kage bunshin, everything about the Jiraiya vs Pain conflict

It's frustrating how good the fights are, because the story is just so, so shit

Going by recent shounen trends, set up a seemingly limited power system and then show what cool shit you can do with it. Would say it's 40% dependent on the author's creativity and the other 60% are the readers who just want to have some dumb fun and turn their brain off.

(You)

most anime fight scenes in shounen are shit though because they're written by middle age mangaka who don't know the first thing about fight. Baki and Ippo can be appreciated because the mangakas have first hand experience and knowledge on the subject whereas alot of anime fight choregraphers/animators are focused completely the aesthetic of it.

However with shit like jojos bizarre adventure if you use your own made up martial art you can compensate for actual fighting knowledge with your own imaginary rules and physics.

This sucks.

Here's an actual good fight:
youtu.be/nagt3Ir0dtM

What i'd like to see a show that combines actual fighting techniques with superhuman powers instead of just dbz mashers 2.0

youtu.be/MC3KPm3YpHs

If you want an actual good ninjutsu fight, watch the madara slaughter friday night special

*I mean taijutsu fight

There's some fight scenes I won't forget
Like this for example:
youtu.be/B3wse_64LI0
It's kinda stupid, but very memorable.

I can't actually recall anything impressive. I guess the Ippo-Woli beatdown is cool. Morikawa is an underrated artist.

This beat down. Good Choreography.
It's not exactly fighting, but the action panels in Gantz are spot on too.

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ENTER THE KING OF FIGHTS

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>muh realism
most retarded take itt. just because you're in a fictional setting doesn't mean everything is as equally asspullish as the other.
0/10 made me reply

What do you think George is going to do with the return of Woli?

I disagree. I believe you can believe the protagonist can achieve a certain goal when it was already established that he had the means to do so. The same comes to fighting - the protagonist suddenly overcoming their opponent doesn’t feel very rewarding.

Don't wanna disappoint you mate, but I haven't been keeping up with Ippo that much.
From what I've seen in the recent threads the sparring between Volg and Woli seem like it'd be exciting.
But I have a good 200 chapters to catch up

Posts like this show that people like the spectacle of the fight happening, without actually understanding how punching and kicking works in a fight.
Block punch
Block punch
Block punch
Block kick
Neither person shifted body weight, stance, etc. Just effortless action and blocks.