Neitzche defense thread

Why do people worship this chucklehead?

his philosophy sucks. his mind broke the moment he saw someone beating a horse cruelly.

Wow so tragic, now you know what's going to happen once man is enslaved.

Narcissistic, self-exalting, powerful people brutalizing the poor and defenseless for reasons they rationalize from their ego that are actually disassociated from what is really happening.

Congrats. Wow I'm so glad we can look forward to the malformed post-real-religion secular faith that rises up after the collapse of liberal nihilism. Surely it will be better 8)

Thanks Neitzche. They'll use you to justify their violence against others. "we killed god we are worthy to do this evil thing!" MORON!

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Not a single argument, not even the smallest one

"why do people worship this chucklehead?"
Why would you assume I need an argument to ask this question? That seems silly to me.

I saw Neitzche threads all over the catalogue a few hours ago, finally decided to ask Yea Forums, if this amalgamation of people is capable of explaining why they like Neitzche so much

Nietzsche is a pure product of the secular humanism, like the subhumans Hegel, Kant, Heidegger, Adorno, Habermas, Arendt, Husserl, Popper, Strauss, Weisse, Carnap, Engels, marx,Feuerbach, Frege, Fitche, [all germans, weird huh? germans can't think, they suck at wars so they fell back on ''''''''''philosophy'''''' who travestied the greek philosophy which was lived, and they turned it into mental masturbation in sterile universities, in order to get a cushy life like a generic girl gets one from her orbiters]. Germans thinkers are vaginas who think they think.
. He is your typical atheist that you find on every street corner nowadays. Those people are torn apart by nihilism and delusion of grandeur where they view themselves as a benevolent despot leading humanity towards a higher life.
Nietzsche is:
-an atheist [there is no god]
-an anti-christian [like any marxist] [Dude dont think long term like the life-denier christians, only the here and now matters OKAY!!]
-a nihilist [there is no truth, only interpretation, FACT!!!]
-an hedonist [Only this life matters!!1 live in the present moment to coom like my dancing vitalist idol, the great dyonisus!! teehee]
-a narcissist [look how I analysed the totally non-judeo-christian-made concept of ''''''human nature''''' , Humanity is will to power!!! LE HECKIN INSIGHT]
-a jew glorifier ["The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe."]
-a postmodernist [values don't exist but reality doesn't matter bro!!! Just become le heckin uberman, sink further into delusion, create your own values and fight for them until you die!!]

You believe you're a woman? You go giiiiiirl, nobody can tell you otherwise, period!! Trannies are the übermensch neech was talking about!

yeah no wonder that lefty/lit/ trannies shill his diarrhea all the fucking time.

yeah no wonder that self righteous NPCs want to identify with his diarrhea all the fucking time.

Very good stuff for 1880

You have presumably not read his works. I will quote a few passages which directly contradict you, in the hope that you will realise Nietzsche is actually based, and decide to read him.

>Nietzsche is:
>an anti-christian [like any marxist]
Christians: believe in equality before God, blessed are the poor
Marxists: believe in equal human rights, blessed are the proletariat
Nietzsche: "Equality to the equal; inequality to the unequal" -- that would be true justice speaking

>[Dude dont think long term like the life-denier christians, only the here and now matters OKAY!!]
Nietzsche: That which stood there aere perennis, the imperium Romanum, the most magnificent form of organization under difficult conditions that has ever been achieved, and compared to which everything before it and after it appears as patchwork, bungling, dilletantism.

>a nihilist [there is no truth, only interpretation, FACT!!!]
Nietzsche: Beyond Good and Evil -- at any rate that is not the same as "Beyond Good and Bad."
You will have to read the Genealogy of Morality to understand the distinction.

>an hedonist [Only this life matters!!1 live in the present moment to coom like my dancing vitalist idol, the great dyonisus!! teehee]
Nietzsche: Well-being as you understand it — that is no goal, that seems to us an end, a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible…

>a narcissist
Not relevant to the value of his work

>[look how I analysed the totally non-judeo-christian-made concept of ''''''human nature''''' , Humanity is will to power!!! LE HECKIN INSIGHT]
Incoherent

>a jew glorifier ["The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe."]
He noticed that Jews are powerful. Do you disagree?

>a postmodernist [values don't exist but reality doesn't matter bro!!! Just become le heckin uberman, sink further into delusion, create your own values and fight for them until you die!!]
Nietzsche was not telling you, or any other idiot on this board, to become an overman. Overmen must be bred.

Complete and utter brain damage

I am a tourist from /fit/. I am just starting to get into Nietzsche. I’ve noticed lots of threads insulting him, but the people who make them always have garbage arguments. It reminds me of all the demoralization and shilling that goes on on /fit/. Are anti Nietzsche threads bait, or are they butt blasted cause they’re Schopenhauer or Greek fags?

So that’s why dosto is obsessed with cunts beating their horses

>You have presumably not read his works.
I did, but unlike you I also understand what I read.
>Marxists: believe in equal human rights, blessed are the proletariat
Wrong, the just pretend they do. At the end of the day they believe themselves superior to the lumpenproletariat.
>Nietzsche: Beyond Good and Evil -- at any rate that is not the same as "Beyond Good and Bad." You will have to read the Genealogy of Morality to understand the distinction.
No argument.
>Nietzsche: Well-being as you understand it — that is no goal, that seems to us an end, a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible…
One again no argument. I'm wasting my time it seems like.
>Not relevant to the value of his work
Your reply so far has been very dumb. Of course the shortcomings of an artist are relevant to their art because they limit it.
>Incoherent
Yup, you're retarded.
>Nietzsche was not telling you, or any other idiot on this board, to become an overman. Overmen must be bred.
Nothing to do with him not being a postmodernist. You're incredibly dumb and missed the point of every single criticism. This is why you like Nietzsche.

>nietzschefag telling others they have brain damage
Nice one lol

Reminder that Christcucks are still not over Based Nietzsche declaring their magic wizard dead.

A true Chad if there ever was one

Nietzsche got so thoroughly destroyed by David Bentley Hart the only thing his name elicits in Christian circles nowdays is a slight chuckle.

>David Bentley Hart
>Politically, he identifies as a Christian socialist[4] as well as a democratic socialist[5][6] and is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.[7]
KEK

>he fails to realize that master morality is actually about being a good friend, kind to people, and making sure to call your mom and tell her you love her
OP, you are the biggest søyboy beta cuck I've ever seen - did you even call your mother on mother's day? No? Omega-tier behavior.

They’re all Christians seething because he was a strong critic of their religion. Not real Christians but the /pol/ trad larpers.

Most Nietzschehaters are probably seething tradcath-larpers.

>Nothing to do with him not being a postmodernist.
“NOOOOO I hate postmodernism I wish we could return to the dark ages!”

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You have not read Nietzsche and we don't owe you shit

Lmao
Christian iq

>his philosophy
>Thanks Neitzche. They'll use you to justify their violence against others. "we killed god we are worthy to do this evil thing!" MORON!

Why do people reply to this trash

>in Christian circles

Also known as incel forums

>Smarter than Nietzsche
>Makes atheists seethe
>Is a committed socialist
The man has it all, God bless him

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AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

One might even ask if Nietzsche is not engaged throughout The Anti-Christ in a strategy of ressentiment, the interposition of a moral interval between Christ (the agent) and the church (his agency), in order – to use Deleuze’s happy turn of phrase – to separate Christ’s (aesthetic) force from what it can do. A deviousness bred of weakness and a poverty of aesthetic imagination will – so one is reliably informed – inevitably assert itself in this way. In truth, Christ’s cleansing of the temple precincts, his creation of a new and holy space within history, can be conceived quite compatibly together with his “symbolic” pronouncements; his injunction to “render unto Caesar” may be regarded not merely as a dreamer’s recoil from “reality,” but as the active rejection of one order in favor of another, intended to make room for the concrete community of the church and its peculiar practices. For Nietzsche this remains always inconceivable: to allow that the symbolist of the Gospels could be also creative, forceful, imperious, and capable of discrimination and judgment – to allow, that is, that the “idiot” whose rejection of power was final and still free of resentment could genuinely enter into history, or constitute an apprehensible aesthetic form among the many forms cast up by time, or pose against all philosophies of will and power the historical example of a community able to live, however imperfectly and infrequently, by charity rather than by force – would give the lie to Nietzsche’s own narrative of cosmos and history, his own metaphysics and (more importantly) aesthetics.

Again, there is little but force of rhetoric behind Nietzsche’s constant reversion to a pagan vision of the world as perpetual agon, a terrible collusion of chaos and order, which is shaped and controlled through the judicious deployment of various powers, such as “reason” or “the state,” or (as is the case with Nietzsche) merely affirmed as wasteful but indestructible creativity. Nietzsche is a pure metaphysician insofar as he cannot endure the “irrational” idea of a freely creative and utterly transcendent love; he thirsts for the soothing fatalism of “necessity.”

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How much seethe can fit in just a few paragraphs

Finally, of course, as I have repeatedly insisted, it is taste, rather than historical evidence, that must dictate whether one elects to see Christ as a creator of values or as an impotent decadent. Again, it is Nietzsche’s aesthetic evaluation – I this case his preference for the form and allure of noble values over Christ’s gospel of love – that remains unassailable. The metaphysical aspects of his critique, which continually float to the surface wherever they are denied, are embarrassing if regarded as anything other than facets of an imaginative narrative, an attempt at a more compelling story, whose appeal is rhetorical, whose logic is figurative, and whose foundation is none. Nietzsche’s disdain does not follow from the force of his reasoning; it is that force. Despite which, certain of his postmodern followers all too often allow the metaphysical within Nietzsche to predominate (quite contrary to their intentions) by taking his narrative of being and his distaste together in such a way that the narrative comes to constitute an assumption that functions all the more pervasively for going unacknowledged: the Heracleitean cosmos is taken as, in some sense, as unproblematic and unarguable truth, and the only alternative to totalizing metaphysics (of which, however, it is a very venerable variety).

In fact, Nietzsche may well be right; there is little in the New Testament, given his tastes, that might favorably compare with Homer – or even with Apuleius. One Gospel story that one can assume, from this quotation, earned Nietzsche’s disdain is that of Peter, hearing the cock crow and, remembering his denial of Christ, going apart to weep. Nowhere previously in the literature of antiquity had the tears of a rustic been treated as anything but an object of mirth; certainly to regard them as worthy of attention, as grave or meaningful or tragic or expressive of a profound human grief, could appear only grotesque from the vantage of a classical, noble aesthetic. There was indeed a revolution, a slave revolt, both in those frightfully subversive tears and in the shocking tastelessness of a narrator so indiscreet as to record them, so vulgar as to view them with anything but elevated contempt. And FNinsanethis is where the battle lines, ruefully to say, between Nietzsche’s narrative and the Christian narrative have been irrevocably drawn. The most potent reply a Christian can make to Nietzsche’s critique is to accuse him of a defect of sensibility – of bad taste. And this, in fact, is the last observation that should be made at this point: Nietzsche had atrocious taste.

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>Why do people worship this chucklehead?
Great writer and poet.
>his philosophy sucks.
He predicted the modern state of things and his philosophy is basically the philosophy of the modern elite.
>his mind broke the moment he saw someone beating a horse cruelly.
Not an argument against his philosophy.
>Narcissistic, self-exalting, powerful people brutalizing the poor and defenseless for reasons they rationalize from their ego that are actually disassociated from what is really happening.
Not an argument against his philosophy.
>Congrats. Wow I'm so glad we can look forward to the malformed post-real-religion secular faith that rises up after the collapse of liberal nihilism. Surely it will be better 8)
Not an argument against his philosophy.
>Thanks Neitzche. They'll use you to justify their violence against others. "we killed god we are worthy to do this evil thing!" MORON!
Not an argument against his philosophy.

The irony of small men bellitering great men.

>his philosophy is basically the philosophy of the modern elite.
idk about that, can you tell me how you think about it?

>freely creative and utterly transcendent love
You couldn't possibly be pretending that this is "Christianity," that there is anything free or loving about following the orders of liars because they have threatened you that some volcano demon will punish you otherwise; that would be a quite silly thing to defend against Nietzsche

>Transhumanism (Man as God)
>Eugenics (more openly in the last century) through trans, abortion etc
>The ruling aristocracy is the western world generally and the western elites particularly. These two layers of "aristocrats" are also the worlds warriors caste (NATO)

>Christians: believe in equality before God, blessed are the poor
Didn't he called Christ an ubermensch? A great standard to strive for so you can compare yourself akin to Christ lol, totally not narcissistic and self-defeating by trying to achieve an impossible goal.

This. Stay far away from German philosophy and German "people."

>replying to a bait thread

The only good German philosopher (ie wasn't a destructive nihilist) was Hamann. It's weird how surrounding Scandinavian and Slavic countries don't produce nihilist filth like Germany does. Compare Kierkegaard to Heidegger, the latter just being an atheistic rip-off of Kierkegaard and ends up inventing deconstruction, believing it essential to de-strukt all major beliefs of western civilization because he thought the Germans could replace it with something better. Fuck Germans.

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>not being able to beat the shit out of gays and women having access to basic healthcare is eugenics

Righttards sure are a crazy bunch

What is nietzschean about transhumanism? Where is eugenics being applied today? We are meant to respect weaklings and deformed/mentally ill people, you will go to jail soon for mocking fatsoes. Bodybuilding is badly seem by some researchers today. Trans people will have artificial wombs, faggots can adopt children and pass their buggery forward. Abortion is indeed the only one perhaps having some resemblance to eugenics, but it is still indiscriminate and there will still be healthy people killing their offspring.
> The ruling aristocracy is the western world generally and the western elites particularly. These two layers of "aristocrats" are also the worlds warriors caste (NATO)
There is nothing nietzschean amd warrior like about NATO holy shit. First, NATO is just the product of arms contractors’ lobby for profit. The ruling elite is no aristocracy and does not hold noble values, they are constantly engaging with the masses, manipulating them and lowering themselves to just this enterprise, they are not creating anything, they do not express any artistic spirit at all, they rather express the contrary. But maybe we could discuss about this elite if you cited names, names that are behind the ones I’m aware, hidden.

lotta damage control for the fact that Nietzsche's opinions were stupid and had even stupider consequences

Nietzsche's work acts as a serious counterbalance to Hegel; the latter takes up historicism as a position that might be rational, and his philosophy sorts out what it might mean if the changes in man's values and ways of thinking over the course of history are rational. Nietzsche plots out the alternative by taking seriously the challenge of relativism.

What's crucial for Nietzsche is that 1) he sees the Enlightenment as a product of Christianity (and Platonism); Christianity's love of truth (understood as love of Jesus /God) exercises that same love of truth upon Enlightenment philosophers, who initially acknowledge their dependency on biblical values. But the move towards science as the proper exercise of the love of truth eventually finds no place for God, and brackets morality formally (since morality won't be found via science), which leads to greater and greater degrees of moral license and room temperature religiosity. This itself leads to only valuing the comforts of technology supplied by science, and so a weakening of spirits and ambitions to do anything great (the great vision of the Enlightenment reduces to some Japanese NEET playing games, collecting comics and cartoons, living to masturbate and eat instant ramen, and Western analogues). Nietzsche's critiques are all about this causal situation. 2) Philosophy, no longer being either skeptical or speculative, has instead become dogmatic again, and the two great questions of philosophy (What is Being? What is the best way of life?) are in danger of being forgotten and replaced with the answers "whatever science says" and "hedonism backed by democracy". So the other part of his project is to inject renewed skepticism and excitement over speculation.

Now, whether he's successful is its own question; his critiques seem to stand on firmer ground then say, his desire to retore an appreciation for the noble and base, which can't really be grounded too strongly in his perspectivism.

Nonetheless, he's a stirring reminder that our tendency to idolize democracy and science isn't coming from a place of having thought through the relevant matters necessarily, and that getting rid of God has consequences for how we're to live if we expect anything better than NEET life or the raging hedonism of serial killers.

Tell us one opinion of his that was retarded

samefag

Neechfags will seethe, but this is spot-on

I love these kind of threads, most people attacking Nietzsche are smart enough to kinda get an outline, but they dont read so they dont enjoy and understand his written work.

DBH is a pseud who writes purple prose and is purposely verbose. He’s full of himself. He’s also a heretic who believes everyone goes to heaven. Into the trash he goes

The people who attack Nietzsche are the same one who attack the Bible or Darwin, braindeath religious zealots.

Literally everything he wrote. He’s a brain-damaged rhetorician. He never even engaged in actual philosophizing, and his work is a contradictory and self-refuting mess that has had disasterous consequences for humanity.

shit OP like everything on this board now

>tell me one thing
>doesn’t cite a single thing
Yeah I can already call you a retard and dismiss everything you post from now on

Another user already refuted Nietzsche in this thread:

What's "actual philosophizing"?

Kek, budget Stirner trannies on suicide watch.

>lotta damage control for the fact that Nietzsche's opinions were stupid and had even stupider consequences
>stupider

Christian hands typed this.

Just a bunch of lies and badly misunderstood claims.

>they turned it into mental masturbation in sterile universities, in order to get a cushy life
Lol Nietzsche left his university position to focus on his philosophy

>-an atheist [there is no god]
Like Hume and Voltaire? Those non-German philosophers? Or Aristotle, whose "gods" are mere causes without personhood or a personal interest in us?

>-an anti-christian [like any marxist] [Dude dont think long term like the life-denier christians, only the here and now matters OKAY!!]
Really gonna ignore his hatred of socialism, eh?

>-a nihilist [there is no truth, only interpretation, FACT!!!]
A guy who thinks aristocratic virtues are awesome doesn't sound like a nihilist but you do you

>-an hedonist [Only this life matters!!1 live in the present moment to coom like my dancing vitalist idol, the great dyonisus!! teehee]
The guy who makes fun of hedonists is a hedonist?

>-a narcissist [look how I analysed the totally non-judeo-christian-made concept of ''''''human nature''''' , Humanity is will to power!!! LE HECKIN INSIGHT]
I mean, sounds like Plato with his Eros in Symposium, guess Plato's not a philosopher too

>-a jew glorifier ["The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe."]
Lol imagine buying into Jew propaganda about based Nazi Neetsch

>-a postmodernist [values don't exist but reality doesn't matter bro!!! Just become le heckin uberman, sink further into delusion, create your own values and fight for them until you die!!]
Literally his whole shtick is about believing in values

Many hands could have typed this. Germans hate Plato because he mogged on them thousands of years before.

Interestingly, Nietzsche criticizes Germans harshly. Atheist: was he? It depends. Were the pre-socratics atheists? Was someone like Heraclitus an atheist? Was Spinoza, Schopenhauer? Against Christianity: yeah he was, but not against Christ, the retard spammer poster (that’s a pasta in case you dont know) equaled him to marxists, this is so dumb when Marxism is a christian gnostic heresy, they base themselves on the same principle and consciousness. Nietzsche as a nihilist: this is commonly asserted by superficial readers (or non-readers), this assertion is based on idealistic dogmatism and utter lack of tragic consciousness.
Anyway, you need to depend on others or you are able to hold a discussion on Nietzsche?

I think we can all agree that writing primarily in aphoristic style is a terrible way to get well thought out points across and actually have them understood by your readership. The proof is in these threads. nietzsche's true crime was one of style.

>Christian hands typed this.

Literally any non-German hands could have typed that, since Germans have been always been against human beings.

It's not really. Nietzsche was just trying to be edgy.

>Interestingly, Nietzsche criticizes Germans harshly.

Even the German LARPing as a Pole is still incredibly German (ie destructive to humanity).