What went wrong with Watamote?

We already have a term: "moe" or "moe anime." The Japanese literally use the word that way. We did too, until moefaggots started crying and tried to make up a new term.

There's no such thing as CGDCT. That's a made up Western bullshit.

>mangakakalot
>reddit spacing

>after the trip, suddenly everybody wants to be your friend for some reason
>there's literally nothing that could explain the sudden peak of interest of others in you
>the manga takes a 360 degree turn towards becoming a CGDCT harem manga

I am going to assume you are a guy who never got any interaction during school. Because friendship and tagging along during school is something born out of boredom, curiosity and looking for something to do.
If you analyze deeply in Tomoko's new relationships with the other girls, there is nothing deep or strong, they are just acquittances learning to treat people and spending some time together. The only reason you see this as impossible or fake is because you are putting too much value in the new bonds Tomoko is doing. Is just teenagers interacting, they are not creating the foundations of a new way of thinking or going to solve some meaningful problem, they are just hanging around. And girls specially would look for different ways of getting distraction and not being alone. Once you find someone who would listen to you, not even if you share the same tastes, you would create a routine with them (not even a bond) that would help you to go through your boring lonely days. Fun fact, all of these girls would be alone if it weren't because they are socializing with other girls, even if they don't like each other or have anything in common.

Moe anime is a very broad term. Cgdct or kuukikei brings down the ambiguity. Nips fucking use kuukikei too.
>That's a made up Western bullshit.
Why do you have such a big boner for "make up" japanese "bullshit"?

Well I mean the tone has changed completely. It has been comedic and cringy from the beginning but the tone was much sombrer in the first chapters before the field trip. Now it seems to be really lighthearted and doesn't really differ from the other slice-of-life mangas.

>CGDCT
>moe

I'm not sure of the terms but you seem to know what I'm talking about so what's the problem here?

I'm not saying that, just saying that you don't suddenly become the most popular person in the class. You need to have some special skill (sport, music, etc.) to pull that off in your second or third high-school year.

I would have liked to see Tomoko learn how to make friends, how to deal with them and make a few good friends but now it seems that everybody just gravitates to her harem without any special reason.

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The class trip was the best thing to ever happen to the manga.

Too long.
Don’t hold an international conference.

The problem is that CGDCT was created because moefags didn't like that the word moe being used as a pejorative. They were getting insulted, so they kept coming up with lie after lie about how the it's a generic term, can be applied to any positive feeling, yet can't be used to describe a genre. And that's wrong on all counts.

Oh, you don't know what moe is. Now I get it.

>I'm not sure of the terms but you seem to know what I'm talking about so what's the problem here?
History is the problem. Western moefags created CGDCT because they didn't like moe haters saying
>moeshit
>moefags
They started lying about how moe refers to any type of appeal (not just cute things) and that it can never be used to describe a type of show.

I believe Tomoko’s miserable life will be better and better. The truly best thing hasn’t come yet.

web.archive.org/web/20111217123706/http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/confusion-about-moe

Don't EVER use the term CGDCT again, you moefaggot piece of shit.

I think it wasn't necessarily the class trip that "ruined" Watamote— post OG class trip, Watamote managed to still be very entertaining despite now having a slightly larger character pool. Yoshida,Yuri, and Mako was probably my personal ideal group for a loner like Tomoko. All losers in some way, but losers for different reasons than her. I think it's more because a) Tomoko herself has been growing out of her otaku hobbies that she used to be into early on, or at least hasn't had it shown much anymore, and as such has almost been relegated to a side character in her own manga, and b) the Disneyland trip arc. Though there was signs of it before then, the Disneyland trip arc basically welcomed every single character into Tomoko's circle of friends. Most of the characters who've gained an interest in Tomoko were introduced to her through Nemo, arguably— and because of that, she's gained a massively normalfag group that she sometimes hangs out with now.

While I don't "hate" what Watamote has become, what I don't like is such a major focus on characters other than the protagonist, with basically nothing on her personal life now compared to how it was early on.

Even haruhi is moe anime for nips but that ain't cgdct. Just use cgdct lmao

Just calm down.

The focus didn't shift from Tomoko's personal life. It's just that her personal life used to consist of crippling social anxiety, agonizing depression, and pathetic attempts to find fulfillment all on her own.

that's why the anime is so good

nobody in the history of watamote has ever had this opinion before

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The Japanese don’t know the term CGDCT. They use moe, kuukikei, and nichijoukei. But nowadays categorizing is not so important for them. See 5ch or 2ch, nobody says “-kei.”

>on Mangakakalot
I can't believe you retards kept reading past this point. This is clearly a bait thread.

I agree that it's a bit silly how she gains new friends without any effort on her part, especially considering she isn't a queen-bee or socially fluent. However, it's still an entertaining manga, especially when you compare it to the generic crap that you see in a lot of other manga magazines.

My opinion as well. The original series' premise ends at the class dinner, where for the first time we really move away from Tomoko's PoV to Yuri's, and we realize that in comparison Tomoko has significantly grown to the point that not only is she capable of moving confidently through social situations, but that she has become an important friend to someone who's a bigger sperg than she was because she never tried. The "let's wait for the next train together" and the later graduation of the Class President is the perfect ending to the whole first part and Tomoko's character arc.

Disneyland and beyond are just a humorous epilogue. While I don't enjoy it as much as the previous part, it's still funny and enjoyable to follow. I wish Mokocchi was more active in it, but there's no point in complaining that "she isn't the same": that whole part is clearly over.

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Why do we exist, if just to suffer.

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>What went wrong with Watamote?

Field trip arc. She left on that trip unpopular. She came back popular. Defeats the premise of the series.

I do like how she's still got her repulsive character traits tho.

Yeah it's shit. Wish I hadn't bought 20 volumes back in the day...

I got enough interaction during my time in high-school, but you did see the different male and female cliques with their hierarchies forming and dissolving over the time. Usually the first year is instrumental in "getting into the circles", afterwards it gets a lot harder to break into those groups. There were super popular extrovert people and then there were less popular introverts, who both usually grouped with like minded people. Extroverts changed and gravitated easily from group to group but introverts mainly stuck to themselves.

Tomoko seems to be both an introvert and by all means not a really popular person, which makes it all the harder to believe that suddenly other people would just become interested in her out of the blue.

I'm from Northern Europe so there might be some cultural differences in high-school life and how people bond with each other between different cultures.

I'm not saying the class trip was bad, just pointing out that the tone of the manga changed pretty fast after that. Tomoko becoming friends with just Yuri and Yoshida would still be reasonable but it seems that everybody wants a piece of her now, which is a bit too much.

Disney trip is also a good watershed moment for Watamote. I read the chapters so quickly that everything that happened after the Kyoto field trip just kind of blends together for me.

I don't really like the current direction either or at least how rushed and forced the change seems to be, I just want to see how it all ends at this point. Would have been ok if Tomoko made a couple of true friends, mended relations with similarly socially inept Komiyama and maybe even got a boyfriend in the end.

>Mangakakalot
>bait

Please explain.

>The "let's wait for the next train together" and the later graduation of the Class President is the perfect ending to the whole first part and Tomoko's character arc.

Well put. What's the number of the train chapter?

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>buying manga

>There are people that didn't enjoy the Disneyland arc.

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>We already have a term: "moe" or "moe anime." The Japanese literally use the word that way. We did too, until moefaggots started crying and tried to make up a new term.

"moe" is an art-style. One can have a battle series that is still "moe". c.g.d.c.t. is about the thematics in theory, but it obviously works best with a moe art-style.

The point of c.g.d.c.t. as a genre is that there is no actual plot; there are no villains; they just live their lives being cute.

Kodomo no Zikan is moe as hell but surely would not qualify as a c.g.d.c.t. franchise.

It sold out to yuri pandering for popularity. They joked about it in the OVA and then actually did it.

It's called spending 3 years together. Specifically everyone realising that this year they're unlikely to see each other again after this year.

Also Tomoko mainly interacts with people she knew in middle school, her brother/mother/father/cousin, the 3 girls she was with during the school trip, their friends, and her classmates. She rarely talks with anyone outside these groups or has any desire to talk to others.

Dumb yuri shipperfags started to read the manga.

I know that in Japan if you don't fit with the group you'll be isolated, so it's possible that since Tomoko is considered more normal everyone is willing to talk to her.

Also she's mainly making friends with whoever she's paired with, rather than choosing to make friends.

The next arc panders to shonentards.

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You're still pathetic, autisticfaggot

>What went wrong with Watamote
Tomoko not getting pounded by Tomoki.

>REEEEEEEE TOMO HAS FRIENDS NOW!!!

Hey /u/nigger

She already did before, dumb s/u/bhuman

Sadly there is nothing left of value in this story, Tomoko is dead and all the fans who followed her from the beginning no longer follow her or we directly hate her, that's why the threads are full of degenerated yuri fags and filthy trannys. Disgusting mutants that delight in the remains of what used to be one of the most beloved stories on this damn site.

It was not stale back then when she was a loner, now it is just shipping yuri wars. I miss the old blogposting Watamote.

>shipperfags

Well that seems to explain the degeneration in the comment section and the uptick in commenting after Disneyland chapters. I mean some of those people say that they couldn't stand the beginning of the manga because it was too depressing, sad and cringy but now they're content.

So basically shipperfags want to see Watamote girls romantically involved with each other and the authors have decided that pandering to this audience is the way to go in order to keep the series alive? Seems like they sold out and cheap.

Damn, I didn't know all this, this is very sad indeed.

I guess I'll still try to stick around until the manga is finished to get some sort of closure.

>I miss the old blogposting Watamote.

What's this?

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Peak Watamote was second year Watamote. Now the threads are infested with shipperfags that can't stop talking about their favourite pairings instead of the fucking chapter.

When Watamote was good and not stale the threads had a lot of stories about how lonely we were.

Second year had the best balance. Tomoko could still have her loner chapters but she was starting to get on better with Yuri and Yoshida. And even before the trip Tomoko had started to interact more with Imae-senpai which was always good for character development.

well, the fucking chapters are about the pairings right now. It was fine with ucchi lusting for Tomoko as comedy relief, but right now everyone gets a fucking yuri pairing and the authors seem to check every week which pairing is the most popular and pander to them in the following chapter.

This is why I also hate Katou as a character, she embodies everything that's wrong with current watamote.

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No such thing. She was aloner on monday and had a harem on tuesday.

I just read all the available 161 chapters of Kaguya-sama on Mangakakalot and it got me wondering: is it just me or does anybody else think that the manga became a bit stale and lost its direction when the mental war-games Miyuki and Kaguya were playing against each other in order to get the other side to confess became irrelevant when they hooked up?

That's because you binge read all the chapters one after the other. If you had actually read them here with Yea Forums you'd know that the change in Tomoko's character happened very gradually. Fuck, it took years. Now there are certain aspects of Watamote that aren't good like Yoshida being better friends with Mako over Yuri for some ridiculous reason or how Nico making an unnamed background character like Fuuka pals with Asuka then giving her so much focus so suddenly but on the whole the manga is pretty good.

No, it happened from one week to another.

Don't know what you're memeing about but the first Watamote thread () I stumbled upon here made made me sick to my stomach.

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Mako being close to Yoshida is because Yoshida's super girly and childish side means they surprisingly have a lot in common. They had fun together at Disney Land when everyone else had drama going on, they bonded over a book that Tomoko thought only normies would love etc.

>they bonded over a book that Tomoko thought only normies would love etc
Everyone bonded over the book user. Even Tomoko. Only Yuri and Minami didn't because one is a bitch and the other is autistic

It wasn't even Tomoko's book. She got the recommendation for it from Yuu. Tomoko only lended something from her actual collection to Yuri.

what's the "premise of the series"?

To many people it was apparently "watch an otaku loser girl be a loser and blame everyone else around her for it".

I can see why though, it's like self inserting.

>screenshotting the discussion section of an online manga reader
Maybe you should discuss your issues over there, with people like you, instead of dragging yourself and your sack of shit here. I bet you've got a collection of Youtube comments and Twitter posts, too.

I see these complaints all the time after a new chapter comes out and it's not particularly good, and they continue until eventually we have a great chapter.

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I just want Ucchi to kiss Tomoko and then have sex with her, is that too much to ask?

>getting worked up over somebody commenting on comments

Now that's meta, are you in the screenshot or why so mad bro? Just an excerpt about how the comments, and thus the readership, have degenerated over time because of artists pandering to yuri and shipper fans.

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We had a great chapter this week but we still had the same bunch of idiots spend the majority of their time in the threads talking about shipping. It's just so disheartening

Hence why I keep going to those threads. To remind them that I am not reading Wata anymore.

Kys yurifag! This never will be a thing because Tomoko don't gives a shit with her

The duality of man.
Perhaps we should just start two seperate generals at this point.

based and ucchipilled
cringe and asukapilled

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>watamote has never been better, sales are at their peak and 99% of fans are happy with the yuri subtext
>Yea Forums still complains
never change Yea Forums, never change

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I can accept Tomoko having a bit warped view of sexuality and social interactions because of all the otomo games she has played in the past and the social isolation she has lived in. But when the other girls are disregarding her behavior and outright encouraging her (like Katou offering her to touch her boobs all of the sudden) and Ucchi stalking her for some inexplicable reason, it is just unbelievable, plain unrealistic and simply pandering to a certain niche group.

The target audience changed. It is not the same manga as it was in the beginning, like many people in this thread have pointed out.

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>The target audience changed.
i liked it in the beginning, and i like it even more now

>and Ucchi stalking her for some inexplicable reason
she is in love user, one of the only confirmed gay characters is ucchi

I want to watch Tomoko masturbate.

What a fucking weeb faggot. Kys. People have been using cgdct for years, you want to use japanese terms go to Japan, what an embarassing retard.

>it's popular so it's good
Die s/u/bhuman

>The target audience changed. It is not the same manga as it was in the beginning, like many people in this thread have pointed out.
This

>i liked it in the beginning, and i like it even more now
No one buying your lies /u/nigger

Ignore the faggots who claim to be the "original fans" because they stopped reading the manga long before the kyoto arc. watamote is watamote as a whole you like it or not

and that only makes you a rotten traitor
People like you killed watamote

This is unironically true though. I don't know why you brought up Kaguya though.

Honestly I don't blame the author. She did the equivalent of selling out and I would totally do the same thing. Gotta make that money. Yuribait and CGDCT are the big moneymakers. I like yuri so I still enjoy it but it's definitely a completely different manga than what it used to be.

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>g-g-guys its bad because its not the "LOOK, I HAVE SOCIAL ANXIETY AND IM A LOSER" joke every single chapter, if you like character development and yuri you literally KILLED watamote

i want to watch ucchi masturbate to tomoko masturbating

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every single one of these people complaining that tomoko got a """"""harem"""""" because its not realistic obviously stopped reading it, im just making sure people that still read it dont fall for their lies

At least you admit you're shallow s/u/bhuman
>muh character development
Yeah, right and it was done badly
Fuck off to

>sales are at their peak
Well done user, you just revealed how much of a newfag you really are. Also Watamote isn't a yuri harem, you'd know that if you took those yuri goggles off. I mean is it that difficult for you to accept that outside of yuri manga most girls are just friends with one another?

>there is nothing left of the original premise anymore

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>the character development of a cute shy but horny girl getting friends was done badly
t. fat unlikeable male virgin
im sure you know alot about the character development

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>Also Watamote isn't a yuri harem
when did i ever say it was ? are you retarded ?

Actually femanon, /u/nigger.
Oh yes an award girl suddenly became one of most popular students in her class is definitely normal and make sense.

But there was the magic! Are you mindless? A sure you are a yurifag...

she only never was because she had social anxiety, the literal stacy of the school (asuka) is in love with her and nemo/mako are popular girls that are her friends, what else would you expect to happen ?

>posts his comment alongside yuri fanart
>filename is tomoko harem
You tell me?

>ESL
>self contradiction
S/u/bhuman indeed

>filename = reality

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Absolutely right it lost all direction. The Kyoto group and Nemo being friends with Tomoko is fine, but there's zero reason for the whole school to become obsessed with some frumpy mojyo.

There's nothing wrong with a manga turning into a yuri harem. In fact all manga/anime should turn into yuri harem.
If this makes you angry then you just have shit taste.

All you Yea Forumsermin constantly spamming 's/u/bhuman' and other crap like that are probably a few steps away from shooting up your school. Watch some cute girls being purely in love and calm down.

Sales are actually at the LOWEST. Canceled any time soon.

Kys fucking tranny you are not a girl you
are a fag in a shitty cosplay

Despite how she's drawn I don't think Tomoko's intended to be unattractive. Think about her brother, they have similar features like their gloomy eyes, but he's considered very attractive and popular.

Sales are serviceable, volume 11 was cancellation territory.

Who you calling a tranny, literal faggot? Yes, I'm femanon.

>Canceled any time soon
One can hope, then /u/fags would finally leave Yea Forums

There's an interview from way back where the artist says that Tomoko was designed to be unattractive.
pastebin.com/UwaeaG1y

>TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY
>S/u/bhuman! S/u/bhuman! S/u/bhuman!
is that all you have to say ?

i guess my taste in woman is really bad, because she is the hottest watagirl for me

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Learn to speak in English, ESL-chan
>tranny
Never said that, but your fren did

I wonder if that's been retconned since. None of the current cast treats Tomoko like she's ugly.

How fucking retarded is this argument? The problem is not the Tomoko got friends. Even OP didn't claim that. The problem is how it played out and how suddenly a large number of girls is attracted to Tomoko for no convincing reason.

The series is a comedy, so isn't it supposed to be absurd?

The early threads were all about how she was going to kill herself.

I'm happy for Tomoko, but especially for her artist and writers because it has become a successful series. Instead of dead like their other series Literature and Number girl.

Of course the way they could destroy all of this would be to introduce a boyfriend.

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>Of course the way they could destroy all of this would be to introduce a boyfriend.
that would probably be the final arc

Wow literally nothing meaningful that was added to the conversation, thanks user.

It was a bittersweet comedy originally and the comedic parts came almost entirely from Tomoko's ridiculous attempts at getting popular. Her environment, however, usually reacted quite normally. No one payed much attention to her. The entire point of the series was how Tomoko's gross misinterpretation of normal social life led to absurd situations. Nowadays, the other characters tend to be even weirder than her.

Not an argument you mouth breathing retard

Same goes for the guy he responded to, no?

Nothing wrong with character development but it just happened too abruptly and was too unbelievable. I would have liked to see Tomoko get a few trusted friends and learning more about friendship and making friends but now she's one of the most popular girl in the class for some odd reason and there are weird (homo)sexual undertones everywhere.

Tomoko is not a loner trying to escape her isolation anymore, the manga is all about cute girls doing cute girly things now. Tomoko has grown out of her bubble and that should have been the end of it, like pointed out.

My theory is that the artists ran out of ideas and tried to make the manga more mainstream by introducing more characters and trying to make it more mainstream slice-of-life high-school manga this way. Maybe it didn't work out so well because somehow it devolved into the yuri/shipping farce we see today.

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It isn't and neither your original post

you're an all-star, get your ship on, go play

>Nowadays, the other characters tend to be even weirder than her.
I think that's typical with where they are in school, getting ready for college and opening up to new things that they weren't before. Even Asuka's friends point out of strange she's been acting lately.

Lol schizo fag trying to pull "muh same fag" meme

user, the whole point of the series is Tomoko getting a boyfriend, it's literally there in the first page of the manga

We've had this discussion too many times in the past. Every main girl up to Asuka had their reasons to be interested in Tomoko in some way and was set up and fleshed out over multiple volumes. Even Asuka wasn't sudden, but hers was not as naturally integrated as the others. She's been in every chapter for the last 11 months so far, in fact it's two weeks to a solid year of unbroken Asuka chapters. I don't think any character has had that consistency besides Tomoko obviously.

Regardless, if you're not convinced with their reasons it's largely not on Nico but you.

>for some odd reason there are weird (homo)sexual undertones everywhere.
you clearly aren't a girl

Dumb speedreader doesn't follow the post chain

Genre shifts can happen for other reasons outside of just pandering. Maybe Tomoko becoming more normal leading up to her graduation was always intended to show how people change. Same with Fang. The Queen Bee is now the friendless one as people get older.

I see I hit a nerve, uh?

>there are weird (homo)sexual undertones everywhere
is that something new?

and all that glitters is gold
only shooting stars break the mold

>We've had this discussion too many times in the past. Every main girl up to Asuka had their reasons to be interested in Tomoko in some way and was set up and fleshed out over multiple volumes.
Tell me more about how Ucchi lusting over Tomoko because she supposedly caught her peeping on her was fleshed out over several volumes.

it isn't, but do you really think he reads the manga ?

tomoko was always horny for boys and girls, sexual undertones are nothing new

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That's the gayset shit I've read here, go to lolcow dot farm faggot

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>Tell me more about how Ucchi lusting over Tomoko because she supposedly caught her peeping on her was fleshed out over several volumes.
have you never fallen in love with someone ?

It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now, wait till you get older
But the meteor men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
The water's getting warm so you might as well swim
My world's on fire, how about yours?
That's the way I like it and I never get bored

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It still feels contrived how someone who had a single friend for the most part of her high school life suddenly attracts almost every single pussy in her vicinity. Tomoko acted nice towards her field trip group members and it made sense they came to like her. Every after that was unnecessary. There was so much room to flesh out Tomoko's relationships with Yuri and Co. instead of splitting the attention to dozens of characters.

The virgin male incel
>"S/U/BHUMAN S/U/BHUMAN TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY S/U/BHUMAN TRANNY WHY ISN'T THE MANGA GIVING ME A MALE TO SELF-INSERT INTO AND FOR ALL THE GIRLS TO LOVE S/U/BHUMAN S/U/BHUMAN TRANNY TRANNY"

The supreme yuristacy
>Just wants to watch cute girls falling in love with each other and engaging in the purest form of emotional bond known to humanity

Males scream and act like violent apes then wonder why girls are leaving them behind more and more as the world becomes more and more modern. Consider this a fair warning: keep going like this and shooting up schools and raping women and starting wars and it's only going to keep getting worse.
Try and refute anything I said. You /pol/ Yea Forumscels love your graphs and statistics right? Well give the statistics of violence men dole out compared to women, who only want to love. Yeah, didn't think you had that one saved.

I know you're trolling, but if you're denying Ucchi transformation since the Kyoto trip you need to reread the manga from scratch.

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Irrelevant to your original claim. Also most people don't fall in love with creepy voyeurs.

your post is incredibly autistic but i kinda agree with it

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>It still feels contrived how someone who had a single friend for the most part of her high school life suddenly attracts almost every single pussy in her vicinity
Asuka, Ucchi and?

>denying Ucchi transformation
Maybe you yould reread my post from the scratch if you think I did that.

Basically everyone? I'm not just talking about sexual attraction here.

>Irrelevant to your original claim
im not the same user
>Also most people don't fall in love with creepy voyeurs
ucchi is clearly not normal, she is a fucking stalker

there are people who fall in love with serial killers and criminals, not everyone is "most people"

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It is autistic I'll agree, but honestly I had to bring myself down just to talk with the virgin screaming his head off.

He's not making any coherent arguments, go back to your harem slave isekai.

>The supreme yuristacy

Dudes actually made coherent arguments including OP, but you dumb faggots just use an easy strawman to attack.

>He
>anonymous is person

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Is Watamote a good pleb filter? plebs just complain about Tomoko's character development and ignore the author's message.

who's "everyone"?

I'm femanon you shit taste dykes

I read it, it's as much a waste of a post as it was before. Where do you want to go from here?

everyone on Yea Forums is a femanon

>whole point of the series is Tomoko getting a boyfriend

Well yeah, but it hasn't been going to that direction for a long time, hasn't it? Tomoko has been busy buddying up with all the girls in her class, who seem to be captivated by her for some inexplicable reason.

I understand Tomoko being a bit out of touch with how normal people talk about and deal with sexuality. Ucchi stalking Tomoko and Katou offering Tomoko to touch her boobs in front of everybody just isn't normal.

>you clearly aren't a girl

What did (s?)he mean by this and what relevance has this to do with the discussion at hand?

>Is Watamote a good pleb filter? plebs just complain about Tomoko's character development and ignore the author's message

What do you mean and what does the author say then? And does it really matter if the message is poorly fleshed out?

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OP calling watamote a CGDCT harem manga invalidates any argument

Akane, Shizuku, Mako, Nemo, Yoshida, Anna, Reina, Kii-Chan, Yuri, Katou, Ucchi, and some I probably forgot.

I don't know, where do you want to go? I don't get what you want to say. Were you the guy I was replying to here ?

>Ucchi stalking Tomoko and Katou offering Tomoko to touch her boobs in front of everybody just isn't normal.
ucchi is not normal, and katou is gay

>everyone on Yea Forums is user

No, it isn't you lazy retard

such a shame you can’t downvote him here user :((

>who seem to be captivated by her for some inexplicable reason
We talked about this already, she's an incubus(female) and her mojyo pheromones are irresistible to the awakening lust of her female classmates.

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Know what I think would have been a cool ending? Tomoko shooting up her school after failing to become a normalfag.

Not him, but that is part of the problem of modern Watamote. The dynamic of the earlier chapters came from the interactions of a social outcast who had ridiculous ideas about socializing with a relatively normal environment. By now, it's just a bunch of autists doing retarded stuff as in most CGDCT shows.

But Tomoko isn't burger

What an unorthodox way to come out of the closet.

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So she can steal them from a military base, Yakuza, cops, or something.

She's not a degenerate burger, don't project

that is true, but i like it

i guess we just have different taste in manga, and i respect that

Really? So you wouldn't mind showing us your breasts to make sure we didn't?

please nico give us the roadtrip arc

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I'm not really into manga/anime that much and don't know the exact terms, but people in the comment section were at least joking about Tomoko's harem and tonal shift from crippling isolation to cutesy-girly-normie high-school life is clear. Basically the tonal shift has been too abrupt, which has resulted in a schism between the readers who think the change was either good or bad, as you can see by reading this and the other () Watamote thread.

>Tomoko shooting up her school after failing to become a normalfag.

Well that would have been the other extreme. At least the series would have ended more or less coherently by Tomoko just giving up and rejecting the society that she felt had rejected her. Now it just feels like the manga is dragging on and on without any other direction than graduation.

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>can't even to tits or gtfo
No, I want keep myself anonymous, dumb dyke

An heroing would be a better route, even better a failed one

oh true maybe she should try arson instead

post tits or we wont belive you, tranny

Was I more subtle?
and why am I dyke, user?

Most of /u/fags are women and the way you write didn't do any favors in that regard

Fuck off newfag

>Akane
>Shizuku
>Mako
>Anna and Reina
none of those characters are actual friends or care about Tomoko that much, and Kii-chan is her fucking cousin and it's been part of the manga from the beginning.

Kek

stop reddit spacing dumb tranny. make sure you use your dilator before going to bed tonight

>all those buzzwords
Try harder newfag

user I...

i guess we can't belive you if you dont post your boobs, oh well

I would be on facebook if I wanted to that shit, ESL retard

>one buzzword used
>”a-a-all those b-buzzwords.....”
yikes

>newfag keeps trying

>Most of /u/fags are women
No user, most of the people that read yuri are women. Most of the people on /u/ are blokes calling each other nee-san.

>if i keep saying newfag i win!
so simple minded... maybe you are a female?!?

>newfag!
>tranny!
>/u/nigger!
>go back!
>buzzwords!!
am i on Yea Forums

every single board on Yea Forums uses the same buzzwords.

Samefag

Unfortunately the nice threads are over. Shitposters have invaded and watamote fans are too innocent to not fall for their bait.

wrong. my post was

>two watamote threads
but why

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All current Watamote fans are yurifags and shipperfags, the nice threads died ages ago and let's ignore all the BS you faggots screech every time someone pointed out how Watamote turned into shit

i have a poem
FUCK STRAIGHTNIGGERS

FUCK YURIFAGS

FUCK METAPOSTING

YURICHICKEN

do you guys like it ?

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>first chapters
>actual loner loser otaku
>not your usual anime loser with tons of friends and bitches but an actual loser
>nobody but a few weirdos on Yea Forums care
>throw the mc a bone and give her some friends
>friends actually see relatable and interesting
>good dynamic with the mc
>still keeps the otaku loser vibes
>people start to care mostly because of waifu pandering
>mc now starts to make friends with everyone because ¨she is true to herself, I want to fuck her¨ logic
>male characters vanished from existence, old females are replaced with more pretty girls orbiting mc ass because some stupid reason
>every girl is basically lesbo pandering and only important thing about them is if they will fuck mc or not
>first friend is suddenly now obsessed with the main girl too
>girl who was disgusted by her is in love with her
>girl who sit next to her has been thinking about her since the beggining
>alpha girl in classroom also wants a piece of her
>cousin who pity her wants doki doki too
>introducing notice me senpai character for extra dykeness
>suddenly everyone love it
>i-is not Yuri you retard! g-girl are always like that!
>mc say some autistic thing or give some ridiculously obvious thruth before being soaked in the love juices of her bitches
>use this as an excuse of character development
>s-see! she is still our girl, normalfags!
>t-this is the only way the story could go on, cringe jokes where boring and repetitive, we want cute girls doing cute things or being autisticly cute, that´s much better

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to think that it has run so long thanks to some penises, literally

>i
Yeah, I'm not buying your lies

Because fucking sisma, choose a side or die commoner !!!!!

okay? schizo lol

This

Because Watamote is split to original fans and yuri larpers

It's not me!
>use buzzword in response

What if they introduce a boyfriend but not for Tomoko

It's called character development, OP. We grow. We change. We're dynamic. Why would you want the series to stay as it is? THAT's what makes something stale.

And yuri larpers are going to die !!!!!
Glory to old Tomoko BEST Tomoko!!!

what are you trying to say? these are my posts if anything is your post because you’re the one complaining about buzzwords you weirdo

Why does it need character development in the first place? Not everything needs that, especially not comedy. Also it was done terribly as explained here

This is a fucking schism, choose a side or die fucker!!!!!

>TOMO HAS FRIENDS

She's the most popular girl in her class. Forget that though I had a question of my own. What's this manga called again?

It's not moron, I never write i

>EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO USES A LOWERCASE I IS THE SAME PERSON!!!
i guess is my post too huh, paranoid retard?

>you either HATE YURI SUBTEXT or LOVE SHIPPING there is no inbetween
i hate these threads

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>Tomoko went through character development and changed as a person, as all good protagonists do.
If you need to make a character a mental case who changes their entire persona every two seconds to justify continuation of a story then it isn't a very quality story,

Roadtrip comes after graduation.

>Glory to old Tomoko BEST Tomoko!!!
Indeed user, indeed

That's a pretty accurate description you got there, user.

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>we want cute girls doing cute things or being autisticly cute, that´s much better
yes, now you get it

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>original fans
Yea Forumsermin invaders aren't original fans

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>She's the most popular girl in her class.
She definitely isn't, she only interacts with a handful of her classmates.

meant for

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>/u/fag invaders aren't original fans
FIFY

Your thread is not here moron, this thread and all the threads of a/ are for the true Watamote fans and those are not you u/ fags

so basically every story should become yuri and it would be fine as long as the sales are good right? in fact every manga should give zero fucks and just draw cute girls yuri baiting each other for one hundred chapters and then leave everything unclear in the last chapter so nobody would be able to say it was really yuri

v / gave life to Watamote and v / will take it off whenever you want your stupid mortal

>What's this manga called again?
Watashi ga motenai nowa dou kangaete-mo omae-ra ga warui!

it would be fine as long as i like it, why would i care about what you like? faggot

leave

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>rushed, sudden, contrived and unbelievable
retard
They're some of the most organic friendships ive ever seen, friendship with a foundation on humor. Tomoko is a genuinely funny gal. She actually learned from all of her humiliating mishaps in the first half of the series and found the sweet spot where she refined her humor to be accessible rather than tryhard or edgy. She has several things in common with her current friends. The manga is peak comfy now, I just enjoy seeing Tomoko happy now. It took her a whole year and a half to make some friends, thats not fast or rushed at all.

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>/u/fags aren't real watamote fans
>"why?"
>because they still like watamote

Yea Forums was a mistake

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>v / gave life
Not even good as a shitpost. Never say anything this disgusting again.

>/u/fags aren't real watamote fans
>"why?"
>because they still like shipping
And sort out your filenames YoshiMako fag #2, that's how I can tell the difference between the pair of you.

OP here, could somebody please explain me this cock fighting between Yea Forums, Yea Forums and /u/? We all like anime/manga here, right?

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>Pixiv filenames indicate anything
How much of a newfag are you?

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5% of Yea Forums hates /u/, 100% of Yea Forums hates /u/, 100% of Yea Forums and /u/ hates Yea Forums

>shipping is bad
>"how ?"
>because yuri bad
fuck off, and what the fuck is wrong with my filename ? its literally a pixiv filename you retard

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v / gave life to watamote when even in 2ch they were effeminates that did not support the tone of the original Watamote, His gifts to the authors gave everyone joy in a / until the current v / in 2ch began to rot the story

Yea Forums is not and never was welcome here, leave

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ups I meant b / in 2ch

I didn't say yuri was bad, I said shipping was. Why would a gay girl like Ucchi be bad, a priori?

shipping is yuri, there is nothing bad about predicting possible couples, also what the fuck is a priori ?

>World Three is kill
>One month wait for the next chapter
>Paywall coming with it
>The state of these threads
The manga itself is still good but everything around it is falling apart.

only poster who is not retarded in this thread

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No, the manga went to hell, only the lunatics of u / think it's good.
All of us must die along with the thread and the manga itself

>girl who sit next to her has been thinking about her since the beggining
this was established way back, even before the school trip arc. Nemo was the first girl to show genuine interest in Tomoko out of her classmates.

If you just killed yourself, it would basically have the same effect.

Shipping is not yuri. Shipping is a universal and idiotic hobby pursued by the worst kind of fans across a wide range of genres. Stop trying to conflate the two so you can talk about shipping in a Watamote thread. And there's a distinct difference between predicting a couple and making discussion centred entirely around rationalising any interaction between two female characters as being gay despite any real evidence to support your headcanon.
>also what the fuck is a priori?
I guess that makes you the other one. Unless you're bullshitting.

it's still selling like hotcakes in Japan. Their shittaste and Nico pandering to them killed the manga, as far as I'm concerned

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I don't have that Yuri pic. Saved.
Thanks user

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imagine having such shit taste

shipping is predicting a possible couple, rationalising interactions with said possible couple is discussion of the manga
>I guess that makes you the other one. Unless you're bullshitting.
what do you mean by the other one ?, also i am not a native english speaker

Where can I see sales figures?

Other YoshiMako fag used 'a priori' to sound more intellectual but he had in fact used it incorrectly and people made fun of him for it.
Oricon, unless it sells so bad it doesn't get ranked.

strawpoll.me/18675878
vote you fucking Yea Forumsshitters and /u/fags

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bad premise. There's no such thing as a sexually undesirable female "loser," as long as she's under like 170 lb.

also female sexuality is malleable because it's mainly a function of social climbing for them; female bisexuality isn't about actually getting off to both genders, bisexual women just like the attention and 'alternative, cosmopolitan' social status is brings. so nobody really buys into degenerate bisexual 'just like one of the guys' pervert female character archetype.

Original schtick was boring and could barely sustain 30ch, so the author (wisely) did a pivot to yuri.

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I do but I prefer second year. More Yoshida, less Fuuka. Also Imae-senpai is gone till college unless Tomoko fucks up the entrance exams

have sex

>At this point, Watamote is just another CGDCT manga so the authors should just wrap it up because there is nothing left of the original premise anymore.
You forgot the authors can't let down the editors who love grabbing cash.

you will never pass

>She actually learned from all of her humiliating mishaps

Tomoko didn't really learn anything, under the surface she's still the same quirky socially handicapped otaku perv as before, which is evident from the awkward stuff she keeps blurting out. The authors just made her new friends to disregard her odd behavior and even tried play it off as a reason why so many girls in her school are interested in her (e.g. Ucchi, Yoshida's friends, Nemoto).

In real life, a girl like Tomoko would be a laughing stock in any class, regardless of country and culture, with the antics she has pulled off. She would be ridiculed and gossiped over for cutting her pubes and stealing other people's panties on a school trip and socially ostracized by the cooler kids in order to not be tainted by the same label as her. People who think Tomoko would get friends by virtue of being this odd are deluding themselves.

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I fucking love tamura yuri so much

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this, how do people not understand this

>In real life, a girl like Tomoko would be a laughing stock in any class, regardless of country and culture, with the antics she has pulled off. She would be ridiculed and gossiped over for cutting her pubes and stealing other people's panties on a school trip and socially ostracized by the cooler kids in order to not be tainted by the same label as her. People who think Tomoko would get friends by virtue of being this odd are deluding themselves.
i dont know what shithole of a country you live in, but it sure ain't japan

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Tomoko was going to not even have Yuu before editor involvement.

why, why do you love Yuri tamura ? tell me

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Why don't you ask all Japanese students who commit suicide every year in Japan during the summer break?

Honestly the newfags and the people that don't read the series that think the manga has gone full blown yuri are fucking retarded. All this talk of yuri really de-emphasises all the character development and how this manga has transitioned into a more mature and reflective coming of age story. And where exactly is the genuine yuri? Sure we have Ucchi who is without question a lesbian but not many people believe she'll get Tomoko to like her that way. All that's left is Asuka, who's interest in Tomoko remains very much ambiguous. She could well be gay but she could also very much be looking at Tomoko in the same sense Yuri and Nemo do. This upcoming arc will sort out a lot of Asuka's feelings for Tomoko but her being romantically interested in Tomoko is not certain nor is it the only possible route Nico could take. And that's it, there are no other characters who are hinted to have attractive towards Tomoko or other female characters. Unless you count the fanart and only the shippers do

What went wrong with Watamote? The joke that is her character wore itself out. The "hilariously inept socially anxious girl gets into another hijink of the day" bag of tricks had been completely exhausted.

i can't ask questions to dead people user, are you dumb ?

God I wish that were me

The dead have a lot to say actually if you know how to ask and to listen. When you learn that know how, you'll curse yourself for doing so, because they never shut up, clamoring to be heard, like petulant children.

If that is so, then it must have ended, but it did not do so so we true old fans have every right to complain about how the story is leading now

I just want her to get over her crush and move past all the suffering. Find a nice girl that actually likes the taste of carpet and be happy.

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ask my grandpa if he is proud of me bro

She's so beautiful user, her rare smiles are so ever radiant. She's incredibly cute and also has that lovely jk charm, her short skirt, her cardigan, and her adorable pigtales. She's so perfect.

>Tomoko didn't really learn anything
Tomoko's mindset has definitely changed at least a little.

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You ask him yourself, there should be plenty of words left unsaid that you would hear him speak to you when given the chance.

you are worthy of loving Yuri then, she really is perfect

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At this point i'm just waiting for the inevitable "it was just a phase" that will blow the yurishit community surrounding this manga the fuck out.
If there's a bit of integrity left in those authors the manga can't end in any way other than Tomoko getting a boyfriend, after all.

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nah bro im not emporio i can't speak to the dead, do it yourself you lazy fuck

You don't need to possess supernatural abilities to read what the dead have to say. Alas, you clearly lack the intelligence to understand any of it.

one word
autismoe

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Like it or not, people are conscious of with whom they are friends with, especially in a high-school type of environment where most people try to fit in. I'd imagine this is even more so in a highly uniform and conforming society like Japan.

This is why cool kids have their own groups and "losers" stick with other losers, which is why Tomoko's sudden rise in the social hierarchy from being an outcast loner to a popular girl is such an unrealistic feat.

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You say it as if Uchi would have relevance in the story after Tomoko rejects her, she would only commit suicide in the background while the story continues

if i had the intelligence i wouldn't be asking you to do it

>implying nico wont make a ucchigang spin-off that is 100% yuri for free money
dumbass

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Hear hear

Well Tomoko did make reference to wanting to be popular ie dating boys (the 'mote' part of the title) in a recent chapter so Nico might have the balls to actually btfo all the yurifags expecting her to fuck Asuka.

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Nah, it's just you because your IQ is lower than the average

that moment hit me way too too hard

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Would actually be interesting to see how Tomoko reacts to one of her friends getting a boyfriend

tomoko is not fucking any boys because there are no important male characters in the manga, they had the chance of adding wada as a important male character but they just threw him in the trash can

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I'd like to see one in which all of Ucchi Gang is straight but they still get involved in various harebrained schemes to try to get Ucchi a girlfriend.

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She already did. She was annoyed Mako got one in first year but she couldn't.

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A nonsense of a delusional who believes that Uchi will be relevant sometime, Ikko hates her, so her destiny is to suffer for her platonic love and have fun with her pain

>outcast loner to a popular girl
Stop saying that as if she became the fucking prom queen or something, by her final year of high school she ended up with a handful of friends, some of which are fellow outcasts.

>A nonsense of a delusional who believes that Uchi will be relevant sometime
she is a fan favorite, she is getting a spin-off

that's also a good theme for it

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Of course she has grown and matured, but she still blurts out a lot of awkward and lewd stuff and ends up getting hit by other people for cheap comedic relief. I understand it is supposed to be an exaggeration for comical effect but it doesn't really work when you do it again over and over. Hitting other people is also a really harsh thing to do and people who sock you so casually and so often aren't really your friends. It just makes it all so unbelievable and slap-stick-like and thus breaks the illusion.

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It's not just a major change for Tomoko's isolation, but for the reader's perspective. Spending nearly the whole chapter inside her head with her, reading her thoughts and imagination, was completely different from mostly reading what gets said aloud in a four-way conversation.

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edgy

I doubt it, in Japan they hate her viscerally, that's why she almost never goes out in the manga while Kato shows up all the time, curious isn't it?

Seriously what is Asuka's deal? If she's not gay for Tomoko what the fuck was this about?

Why do the Japanese dislike her so much?

she's gay

honestly, as much as i have enjoyed all the new cute girls since they were introduced. I agree with you, the novelty has worn off and it's slowly but surely getting stale

Because Uchi's eyes are slanted vertically, not horizontally.

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Simple face does not excite the Japanese, simple face has an ugly face, it is also very dense and they prefer someone rather like Kato, Nemo or Yuri

Surely there's another possible explanation. I hope Fuuka meant it when she thought about discovering the truth at cram school, maybe she'll get Asuka to finally explain herself.

Don't believe Asukafag's lies. Ucchi is and has always been best girl and the perfect wife for our MC.

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nah man, shes horny for the mojyo pussy just like everyone in this thread

I know you are joking but I actually want this.
I dont know how would it fit with current anymore but I think a major aspect of tomoko tool has always been her sexuality therefore exploring that side of her should be a must.

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If football senpai she gave her thing two at graduation shows up again, then probably.

>kii actually developed feelings for her oneechan
They are ahead of their time.

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is /u/ going to translate it?

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No woman will ever want to fuck you.

Mako isn't really her friend. She's more a friend of a friend.

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ucchi is going to win, you just gotta be patient

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imagine senpai's reappears and hugs Tomoko in front of her girlfriends.

What a shit post.

it's because the manga focuses too much on subtle character quirks (so and so girl does her own kind of awkward/retarded thing)getting exposed, and when you have like, 10 new characters to develop slowly the whole thing grinds down to a crawl. there's no story or anything big happening, its all just little bullshit with more and more characters added to show how tomoko is slowly becoming the most popular girl in her grade. it was genuinely funny, but yeah, the whole thing is slow as fuck now.

Asuka and Ucchis would get mad. Asuka would give senpai the evil eye treatment, that's for sure.

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>79 uniqe ips
>314 posts
The fact that new-watamote is attracting these kinds of dedicated autists should answer your question OP

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If you ask me, this manga is still delivers.

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Watamote solia ser un manga para verdaderos autistas, estos de ahora solo son autistas de fin de semana...

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Half of the replies are from OP

fix
Watamote used to be a manga for true autistic, these are now only weekend autistic ...

Pourquoi as-tu répondu en espagnol?

senpai is such wasted character potential, i hope either she or Yuu gets to become tomoko's girlfriend

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Kii-chan is so pure and innocent.

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so pure

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Because suddenly I remembered Cervantes while posting user

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Is this a counterpoint or a reaction

The main thread died, hahaha! Glory to the old Tomoko best Tomoko forever !!!

hot

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You're objectively wrong. Tomoko should grow as a person and become less of an anti-social loser. Why tf do you watch it if you want her to be a friendless pariah ???

asuka rapes tomoko while looking at her with those eyes

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why is the car left hand drive

Because is funny and relatable?
Also Fuck you u/shits

It is if your a friendless incel maybe. Kys loser

OP here, it was fun while it lasted you guys and I learned a lot of new stuff about Watamote and Watamote community in general but judging from the recent posts, it seems that it is time for people who loved the old Tomoko to vacate this thread.

Peace out.

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Because they're having a road trip in the GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH

We will all die with this thread and then nobody will ever bother the original Watamote again with its stupidities and nonsense

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It was mostly Tomoko that changed.
She just matured.
She could always had interactions with other people in her class, but she always keep doing strange things that made people stay away from her or she would simply hid herself in some obscure corner of the school. Hard for people to interact with you when they can't see you.
You pointed the field trip but remember, Tomoko had made the explicit decision to now try hiding anymore and actually make an effort before the trip. She stopped with her delusions a bit and tried like a normal people, that's what changed.

Why did the better of the two manga have to die?

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And then it stopped being fun, and that's why the author started filling in yuri bait and cuttenes replacing what the old fans originally liked
And that's a fucking stab in the back for us

>wanting watamote to be boring yurishit

kys

>not wanting watamote to be funny yuri SoL
kys

she is o/u/r tomoko now

should have gone /u/ too

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should have gone /y/
FTFY

Why do /u/fags get so venomous when people suggest the series is past its prime?

u/ inevitable future

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the most influential women in Tomoko's life:

senpai
sensei
mom
unironically kouhai

everyone else is a raging lesbian.

you know her mom is fucking yoshida's mom while her dad isn't home

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just like it should be

>Tomoko's character arc development feels too rushed, sudden, contrived and unbelievable
lolwut?

Whatever

only specifically on Yea Forums so, whatever

Remember that girl in your high school who was a creepy loser with no friends? Remember how one day she decided to be a little more social and within a few months she was the most popular girl in school? Remember how all of the other girls in school fell in love and became obsessed with her?

>Remember how one day she decided to be a little more social and within a few months she was the most popular girl in school?
How exactly do you type this without drooling on the keyboard and making your fingers slip

This is still going? Hasn't it been like ten years since it started and five years since it was popular?

My mom helps me. My dad call me by no-no words.

Hey idiot, what exactly do you want to do? Say the same things over and over again, or post new fanworks the majority of which are shipping related? You're complaining that people are literally talking about the series and posting series relevant pictures, because they haven't talked about the few details to discuss of the chapter ad nauseam. You know, you could bring up discussion yourself and get it even. Your post won't disappear, it will get replies, but you'd rather post meta shit complaining about people talking about things you don't want to talk about. If you want to talk about it talk about it you goddamn autist

The newfags will either become dedicated to the story or get bored and leave. The people who don't read it anymore aren't going to start now. They will fade back to the background, just like we haven't had treads like this for a while. The /u/fags who can only be satisfied with a canon romantic relationship will eventually become frustrated and leave. The rest of the /u/fags will continue shipping, but not all of them are spamming it to an unreasonable degree and most of them are pretty invested in the actual story, so it should be fine. We had shipping in the past and it wasn't a problem. As long as there are still anons left who are interested in the actual story, even at the expense of their favorite ship, the threads will be mostly fine. We just have to survive the exceptions.

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It's been more popular than ever for a few years now, why do you think there are threads like this, with people complaining about it? It's like when a series gets an anime, you get a bunch of morons infesting shit and shitposting because it's popular

See: Kimetsu no Yaiba threads. At least those haven't turned to total shit, but this innocuous, decent shounen manga gets a bunch of shit nowadays because it's popular

user no! Everything was sudden and rushed and the writing is terrible and it's all yuri now! I don't care how many times you point out how nothing's really changed at the core and everything's been established forever, it's all terrible now and I'll get mad in these threads until you stop talking about the manga!

>mom
which one ?

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You like to keep talking about the manga, huh? why don't you talk about the manga here
Don't thank me, just never come back

And the final arc will pander to incestfags

has this artist done a wata doujin with these two yet

HELL YEAH

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God I hate it when people mistake their non-understanding of why and how this manga has changed over the course of several years as them just being smart.

Not, unfortunately.

It just dawn to me: Watamote became a pleb filter.

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it took you that long ?

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I still had faith in humanity.

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tiny ucchi is perfect

first post BASED as fuck

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Please tell me there is more

CGDCT was invented by moefaggots who were buttblasted that people were using moe as an insult. It is not a real term, and it should NEVER be used, particularly not on Yea Forums.

anyone using moe asa pejorative needs to fuck off back to Yea Forums

>muh moefags

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>Tomoko went through character development and changed as a person, as all good protagonists do.
>changed as a person
There's the fucking problem. We fell in love with not just Tomoko, but the entire premise of the story. The story was 'social outcast lives life' and that was fun to us because we could empathize with that.
However, Tomoko has changed. It has become 'social outcast makes friends and improves her life'. Why do you think we can no longer empathize with her? I'll leave that answer to you.

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Worst watamote thread of the year btw

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The problem wasn't giving Tomoko friends. It was turning all of the side characters into one big group of friends, when most of them don't have any sort of interesting chemistry with each other. Scenes with everyone together just aren't very interesting because they're usually either everyone talking about Tomoko or uninteresting smalltalk.

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so that is what happened!

>Tomoko acted and blurt some weird phrase
>OMG SHE IS SO INTERESTING.
>WHO IS SHE ACTUALLY
Cope harder. The series when to shit after the school trip.

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>Disney trip is also a good watershed moment for Watamote. I read the chapters so quickly that everything that happened after the Kyoto field trip just kind of blends together for me.
>I don't really like the current direction either or at least how rushed and forced the change seems to be, I just want to see how it all ends at this point. Would have been ok if Tomoko made a couple of true friends, mended relations with similarly socially inept Komiyama and maybe even got a boyfriend in the end.
I think this is a problem because you read all the chapters in bulk, it took over 70 chapters and over a year in-universe for Tomoko to make her current number of friends.

I could point out other things, like how Nemo noticed Tomoko since the entrance exams and how she tried to be her friend because Tomoko covered for her with her friends.

To be fair, Tomoki called her average.

>Tell me more about how Ucchi lusting over Tomoko because she supposedly caught her peeping on her was fleshed out over several volumes.
I can't tell if you're serious or not but that was literally fleshed out over several volumes.

Make a list of Tomoko's friends and why you don't feel they are justified then.

>>Tomoko shooting up her school after failing to become a normalfag.
>Well that would have been the other extreme. At least the series would have ended more or less coherently by Tomoko just giving up and rejecting the society that she felt had rejected her. Now it just feels like the manga is dragging on and on without any other direction than graduation.
Hold the fuck up, do you really think Tomoko shooting up her school and murdering her classmates would have been a coherent ending?

Shizuku most definitely cares about Tomoko, I think for a good reason, but she cares none the less.

The others mostly hang out with her due to shared friends, but Akane and especially the Delinquents are cool.

Way to prove his point, shallow /u/fags don't care about original Watamote

>50% of Yea Forums hates /u/
FIFY delusional landwhale

He actually criticize /u/fags dumb speedreader

>Tomoko should grow as a person and become less of an anti-social loser
Why?What are doing here normalfaggot?

>friendless
She already had small number of friends before the trip farce

Yea Forums never hated /u/, and most of Yea Forums likes /y/

but of course a newfag trying his best to fit in wouldn't know that

I agree with you.
Redundant speech vs foolish child.

Watamote is a small cult now.

>burger wakes up
>immediately shits up the thread
a tale as old as time

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I think there's not enough stakes anymore. The show has become somewhat generic with the inclusion of such a large cast of characters; it distracts from the Tomoko's character arc. Also I think the manga will suffer from popularity polls, and the mangaka will heavily pander to fans rather than properly tell a story.

fpbp

Who you calling burger, dumb /u/fag

>shits the thread
No, you started it

>Yea Forums never hated /u/
that's a fucking lie
there's hate for /u/ everywhere on Yea Forums, whenever the hate is applicable
rightfully so I might add, since /u/fags are a cancer and should stay on their fucking board
boards.Yea Forums.org/search#/%2Fu%2F/a

There's only hate from crossboarding newfags like you that have flooded Yea Forums with your cancer. Historically Yea Forums never hated /u/ and that you can never rewrite, Yea Forumsermin.

stop posting this guy's art in every thread
it's revolting and has nothing to do with watamote besides vaguely resembling the characters

>crossboarding newfags like you
irony

>there's no hate for /u/ on Yea Forums

>b-but those are only from crossboarding newfags like you!

>do you really think Tomoko shooting up her school and murdering her classmates would have been a coherent ending?

Of course this will not, and should not, happen but they could take some really dark turns with the manga towards Tomoko's last year.

>last year in high-school
>still a friendless loner
>get more and more sneered at and isolated because of your strange antics
>finally confess to a boy you like and get rejected and ridiculed
>see the same boy later hanging/making out with some popular girl who ridicules and bullies you
>school's going to shit, no prospects, no future
>regret of things you did and didn't do set in
>other people are happily planning their life, and befriending each other easily while you seem to just orbit far away from them
>fail college entrance exams
>get stuck in a cake factory or some other shitty menial job where you get isolated and rejected by others too
>"is this what the rest of my life is going to be like?"
>come graduation/coming of age ceremony
>people are happy to see each other, some have girl/boyfriends, some are even married
>then there's the sorry excuse of a human called you, who just came for revenge

Of course this would have been the other extreme and there would have been even greater tonal shift compared to the beginning of the series but it would have been more c o h e r e n t than what is transpiring now (girls getting suddenly attracted to Tomoko and her oddness, all the yuri-stuff and the romantic undertones between the characters). The manga has lost its direction after Tomoko became popular and got the friends she wanted and even that was conveyed poorly by the authors and felt forced. I guess now we're just waiting this thing to be wrapped up as Tomoko graduates and goes to college and/or gets a boyfriend but that hasn't been on the agenda for a long time.

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They could've gone for the more unique route and have her continue struggling with being an outcast instead of turning it into normalfag preaching like literally every other manga with a loster protagonist. Fuck the mangaka I hope they get cancelled soon.

Imagine believing THIS would have been a better direction for the story to go. That sounds awful lmao

>the most popular girl in school?
You think Tomoko is the most popular girl in school now

Sounds interesting and aimed at the original audience.

>>last year in high-school
>>still a friendless loner
Stopped reading right there. It would have been cancelled by chapter 80 and never made it to 3rd year if it continued down that path.

The original wasn't nearly this dark and bitter in tone, they made a conscious decision from the beginning to not depict bullying which should be enough to tell you they were never going for some ultra depressing shit, if you thought they were that's your misunderstanding.

Don't expect self-inserters to understand what watamote was about, they're the original scum of the fanbase.

>girls getting suddenly
It wasn't sudden, you just speedread through years worth of developments.
>all the yuri-stuff and the romantic undertones between the characters
There isn't nearly as much of that as some people make out.

Alright, I guess I'll end this thread. We are already close to bump limit, but I feel like it's time. Enjoy

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It’s fairly realistic to my experience. She has all these fair weather friends but even when summer rolled around, she spends more time alone than not. She’s just so deeply entrenched in her current vocation that people have included her. The shift from high school to college will be another change and even going with a few of the friends will not guarantee they will stay friends. If the dynamic holds true, she will probably drop/be dropped by a good deal of them just because no one has time for each other. You wind up coincidentally running into people you haven’t seen in years. You reminisce and walk away and never see them or always at a particular store. Life is weird and Tomoko is too. It’s a fun ride.

It was interesting and refreshing to see Tomoko get along with Yuri and Yoshida and slowly befriending them, but the rest of the characters being attracted to her (Uchi, Katou, Nemoto, etc.) feels more or less forced.

I'm not against Tomoko getting friends but everybody being drawn to her for some inexplicable reason that the artists try to make out to be her quirky and interesting persona, although in real life people would most likely just disregard and reject her as the "odd one". And this seems to have been the case in the beginning of the manga.

The problem with Tomoko befriending everybody around her is pretty much what is implying. It was too sudden, too forced and unrealistic for a loner girl to pull it all off. I'd say in most high-schools you could see about 3-4 types of girls who mostly hung out in groups or cliques with other girls of similar status:

>1. top-tier extrovert popular girls (few popular females who got along with everybody and could change groups easily)
>2. mid-tier average girls (most girls in a given glass whose social circles were a bit more rigid)
>3. lower-tier introvert unpopular girls (usually just a few girls who mainly just hung out with themselves)
>4. shit-tier loners (were usually more or less completely rejected by their peers)

Tomoko belonged to group 4 for the better part of her time in high-school so it really begs an explanation why she is suddenly obsessed by the other girls.

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>4. shit-tier loners
>it really begs an explanation
The God of Yuri shines on Tomoko.

I meant The Goddess of Yuri

>Nemoto
I'm definitely gonna disagree with you on her being forced, she was interacting with Tomoko as an acquaintance since before the Kyoto trip and it took quite some time for them to develop into proper friends.

"Better" isn't the same as c o h e r e n t. Look up the word.

Pandering to a certain audience seems to be an issue too. Are mangakas, who are willfully doing this, to be blamed for it or the publishers, who are pressuring them, who are at fault here?

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Well it wouldn't be c o h e r e n t either. It's a much more drastic turn than what the manga did.

>is it just me or
Just you.

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>Well it wouldn't be c o h e r e n t either.

This would be coherent AND realistic. Many school shooters are last year bullied loner students who don't see life for them after graduating high-school. Of course the artists would have needed to plan for it in advance and make the manga darker step by step, but it would have continue Tomoko's downward spiral logically to the very bitter end. I'm not in favor for this kind of development, just pointing out it as an example of coherence.

Currently Tomoko is just accumulating more friends and doing run-of-the-mill cutesy-girly stuff with her girlfriends. Where's the end in this? Are we waiting for her to graduate from high-school? Or getting a boyfriend? Or does the manga continue her antics in college? She is popular now, has friends and seems much happier than in the beginning, perfect character development from a loner to popular or somewhat popular girl, so why didn't they pull out the plug with this manga 50-60 chapters ago like pointed out?

Oh yeah, money.

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Nemoto's friendship with Tomoko was not bad at all, she seemed liked (and then was confirmed to be) a closeted geek herself and she was still prickly enough to Tomoko for there to be an edge to their friendship.

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A lot of school shooters aren't really bullied loner students actually, most of them are nothing like Tomoko.
>but it would have continue Tomoko's downward spiral logically to the very bitter end
Even before the big turning point that was the Kyoto trip Tomoko was already developing, slowly but surely. Compare her from the start of the anime to how she is towards the end, she already showed some signs of improvement. It would absolutely not have been coherent or realistic for them to just do a complete 180 on all of that so we can have an edgy ending. And can you actually imagine someone like Tomoko actually going through with a shooting, seriously? She'd probably get really anxious and freeze up if she ever somehow got her hands on a gun, never mind actually be capable of killing anyone.
>so why didn't they pull out the plug with this manga 50-60 chapters ago
Because there's still plenty they can do with these characters? Tomoko has improved and is in a happier place but that doesn't mean everything needs to end, this is the kind of logic that gets us so many romance stories of two people fucking around for ages and not asking the other person out until the very end. It isn't bad writing to move on from the initial premise and let the story keep growing.

was going to post but then i saw this /thread

Again, Nico wouldn't even depict bullying. You think it would be coherent for them to have a fucking school shooting?

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Depends really where you would make the turn towards the darkness and what is the trigger for it. If the manga would have taken a darker turn, it should have happened before the Kyoto trip and some sort of altercation, shooting, stabbing or other dramatic event during her graduation or coming of age ceremony could have easily been a suitable and logical sad ending for Tomoko's tale.

Tomoko getting a small circle of friends would have been a nice ending for this manga 50-60 chapters ago some time after the Kyoto trip but before the Disney one. It didn't happen so the direction and coherence of the manga has been lost and Tomoko and her gal pals just seem to spend their days aimlessly doing some regular girly stuff while small interpersonal dramas bubble in the background like in any other high-school manga.

Now the manga seems to just limp on as long as it can until its gonna get axed and the artists apparently try to elongate its life cycle by kissing up to a certain niche group.

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>until its gonna get axed
Well that won't happen anytime soon, the manga's been getting more popular these last few years, enough to recently have an art exhibition and new merchandise.

>Tomoko and her gal pals just seem to spend their days aimlessly
They're not aimless, they all have goals they're aiming for, right now everyone is starting to seriously consider college and Tomoko has even signed up for cram school. Even the delinquent is having to think about her career.

Okay seriously, what is taking World Three? Did they hear about the paywall and just instantly dropped the series?

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They've been around since the beginning so they must have some attachment to the series. Unless they're a bunch of poorfags that don't want to have to pay to translate manga now.

Nah, peak was the first chapters, or around her biggest cringe with "her boyfriend".

Wrong, peak was second year because Tomoko broke Dicky then and made her confess to liking her brother's dick. Single funniest chapter in the manga.

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most of /u/fags are men pretending to be women or straight up cucks

I think, but it's not translated.

post raws

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Watamote's jump the shark moment was definitely the Kyoto field trip. So many new things happened after that, new characters were introduced and the focus moved slowly but surely from Tomoko's inner thought processes to dialogue between her and her friends. They should have ended the manga sometime after the Kyoto trip with Tomoko getting the friends she yearned for, escaping her isolation and being socialized back to the society. That would have been a neat and clean arc instead of what we have now.

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looks like only 2 pages
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>"Better" isn't the same as c o h e r e n t.
You don't read the manga, I could tell. Nothing you typed was consistent with the manga at any point in its lifespan. Stick to just writing fanfiction.

>when you are a loner and you are sad...is sad you know?
>FUUUCKK, TOMOKO IS STILL THE GIRL WE LOVED!! SO RELATABLE!! FUCK PEOPLE WHO THINK CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE OTHER THAN EVERY CHARACTER SUDDENLY BEING OBSESSED WITH THE MC!!!

Think about the following scenarios in terms of coherence:

1. A loner girl afflicted by crippling anxiety struggles with her isolation during her time in high-school, overcomes it and manages to make a couple of true friends. The end.
2. A loner girl afflicted by crippling anxiety struggles with her isolation during her time in high-school, ends up rejecting the others and hating the world and finally takes revenge on others by going postal at a graduation/coming of age ceremony. The end.
3. A loner girl afflicted by crippling anxiety struggles with her isolation during her time in high-school, overcomes it and manages to become a somewhat popular girl in her class. For some reason this is not enough, no, we still need to see her doing girly stuff with her new friends with some minor high-school drama in the background and romantic gay subplot(s) that pander to a certain niche that wasn't there from the beginning of the manga.

Scenarios 1 and 2 have clear arcs with a clear beginning and ending. Scenario 3 on the other hand had an arc but lost it and it is not clear what kind of story it wants to tell anymore. The story surely isn't about social isolation and anxiety anymore so what is it about then? Girls doing cutesy stuff?

What is the theme, what is the goal, when will it all end and why?

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Watamote never was really dark so shooting ending was impossible, the most logical ending would be either she makes a few friends or she learns to be fine by herself which eventually improves her life since she is more relaxed and less obsessed with being popular. I don´t care if the problem is that Watamote is yuri or cringe, what I think is that if you are going to keep writing the story you should give something interesting to improve it or make it feel like not all the chpaters are the same Tomoko does something, girls approach Tomoko, lesbian or dirty jokes there and there, Tomoko tells us what she learned today and donde. Cringe was funny but became boring, yuri/yuri bait/slice of life or whatever is lasting longer but eventually you need to add something else to the plot and not just new characters, waifus are helpful but not forever and definitely nobody wants a story like this to have a shitty, rushed or boring ending

>donde
I mean done, sorry

Tomoko should just fuck her brother already. Deep down inside they both want it, and it would finally mend their relationship.

The ONLY thing that is as of yet wrong is that the girls aren't (explicitly) dating (yet).

Finally someone gets it.

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*
You are aware that people eventually grow and become more collected as time progresses, right? While it might not show, but Tomoko at the begining and Tomoko as a senior is quite different than each other both in character and in maturity.

maybe they are waiting for this garbage thread to die before releasing the chapter

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>the most logical ending would be either she makes a few friends or she learns to be fine by herself which eventually improves her life since she is more relaxed and less obsessed with being popular

I agree with you there, I just threw the dark shooter ending there as an example of coherence and as a comparison to what we have now. There doesn't seem to be other long-term goals for Tomoko than to graduate from high-school and go to college, which really isn't much of an ending.

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Almost there.

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Well, Watamote is a coming of age story, so it's mostly normal to be less obssesed with trivial things in life and eventually growing up like a normal person would do.

>Watamote part 2: Tomoko in college
>Watamote part 3: Tomoko tries to find a job
>Watamote part 4: Tomoko marries
>Watamote part 6: Tomoko and her children
>Watamote part 6: Tomoko becomes an elder
>Watamote part 7: Tomoko is a grandmother
>Watamote part 8: Tomoko and the benefits of pension investment
>Watamote part 9: Tomoko's last years
There's at least decades of stuff in there.

Tomoko's arc wasn't actually about becoming popular, that's what she thought she wanted but it's pretty clear how immature her idea of popularity was. So no it wouldn't have been a good ending for her to get some friends and then that's it, mission accomplished, no need to explore this character or any of the others any more. I don't think Watamote really has a single theme but I guess self-acceptance/denial seems to be something most of the characters have some issue with.

Yuri-chan.

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Manga got ruined hard with the yuri pandering trash.

Cancer

Japs couldn't cope with Tomoko being a loser with no marketable friends so they had to shift it to a /u/ comedy. Not that I mind but it's a long way away from the years where Yea Forums bitched about the spaghetti-chan reference

>hurr durr I'm a pretty girl who's totally a social outcast
>everyone hates me because I don't talk to anyone xd
>This is so me haha
Trash

Thanks for your very unique addition to the thread user.

Dropped this series harder than a bag of bricks after Disney arc when Tomoko was browsing colleges and it became obvious what my once beloved manga became CGDCT trash with yuri pandering. Threads for this alone made me realize it was time to drop it by seeing the sheer number of yuri and shipping posts, which was absolute tumblr tier.

Let me know when this series finally gets axed or ends so I can pay my last respects.

F

I just want to see this girls fucking each other, that would be hot.

Who are you quoting?

Dude, it's been 160+ Chapters over 8ish years. If it went any slower, she'd be adjusting to high school life in her early 20s or in College. If she were perpetually in High School to accommodate a slow change, the joke would have become stale.
It's not the authors fault that you're so emotionally stunted that your waifu outgrew you.

Finally, an honest yuritard.

My acrylic diorama came in the mail today. Where the heck is my season 2?

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Your joking, right? I could see Tomoko going to college as an epilogue chapter but that's about it.

I mean, I picked up this manga not because of its quirky main character but because of its themes: loneliness, rejection, growing up in high-school, etc. Reading this thread, it seems that many people are not interested in these themes at all but in the characters themselves and their relationships with each other. The growth story of a once socially awkward loner is over and it has morphed into a regular cute-girl high-school drama.

Tomoko's original story has already been told and there's no need to continue it any further in college if it has already devolved into a run-of-the-mill high-school drama.

Read the thread.

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It's fine development, it's just not the development you wanted. You wanted her in depression, forever alone and pining for friends. You wanted to sympathize/empathize with her because 'she was you'. She's still got her perversion and otaku likes, just has friends now, some awkward.

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Did I miss the translated chapter 165 thread?

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Read the thread.

I'm not against her making new friends and escaping isolation, quite the opposite, but there's a world of difference between Tomoko making a few trusted friends and everyone obsessing over her all of the sudden.

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No, World Three are taking their time.

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Woops forgot the page after that one.

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>everyone obsessing over her all of the sudden.
Read the manga.

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Fuuka is legit gay. Switch the genders and ask yourself if worrying about your friends hairy dick and rocked hard pecs not gay? I wish they stop putting too much focus on her that the other characters got faded back to the background.

>Picks a panel where the focus is on Katou
Well done. Even when she mentions Tomoko it's about her sudden appearance (from her perspective) alongside Asuka, to her Tomoko is just "that weird girl", her obsession is with Asuka's behavior.

Nemo, Yuri, and the delinquent were cute. The kohai was fine since she rarely appears. Asuka was the tipping point where she was getting too many friends. When joke characters like Emoji, Komi, and Emoji2 started turning into people who could hang out with the ever-expanding friend group, that was kind of the point of no return.

Maybe World Three are deliberately taking longer so as to make the wait for the next chapter feel shorter.

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The snowball effect. It was inevitable she would interact with her friend's friends. Real life is the same but I'm not sure how you can salvage a series with too many characters. It was better focusing on 3-4 people than 10+.

Watamote doesn't need salvaging. It's perfect the way it is.

>I'm not sure how you can salvage a series with too many characters.
Well if this really does continue into college she won't be interacting with all these minor characters anymore.

I've called out yuriniggers on this and they insisted that Tomoko's sudden jump from school shooter to most popular in her class is completely natural and justified.
I wonder if they realize how hard they are outing themselves by saying that Tomoko got proper character development.

>sudden jump from school shooter to most popular in her class
The fuck manga are you reading?

Why didnt she go the arms seller route?

>I'm not sure how you can salvage a series with too many characters.
Quietly remove the shitty ones (Asuka, Fuuka) and tighten the focus on the good ones (Yuri, Nemo Mako, Yoshida).

BASED and WATAPILLED

It was doing a pretty good job for a while, when characters like Pineapple were mostly confined to Nemo chapters. Now she's just kinda around all the time.

>most popular in her class
How many people are in her class, 20-30? And of those she only really knows a handful, which includes girls like Yuri and Yoshida who aren't gonna be socializing much with the other classmates. The vast majority of her class will still think of her as just that weird girl who was apparently caught looking at dicks in class once, if they think about her at all.

>that's what she thought she wanted but it's pretty clear how immature her idea of popularity was
no, you fucking idiot
don't change her goals
since the first chapter, she's wanted to stop being a Mojo, a girl who is unpopular with men
having a friend group has nothing to do with that

>Yuri, Nemo Mako, Yoshida
>Of these, only one is currently going to the same uni as Tomoko
Here's hoping that Yoshida for some reason decides to go to Aoyama.

Why should Tomoko stick to the singular goal of being popular with men? Because she wanted it since she was a freshman? I am glad that Tomoko is actually pursuing something like college and enjoying her time with friends instead of her always fruitless efforts to endear herself to people who were at best ambivalent to her presence.

She changed her goals herself you fucking idiot, of course her views have matured since her expectations of school life were based mostly on otome games. Her mindset and priorities have changed since the beginning of high school, which tends to be pretty common. Do you still have the same mindset as when you were 15?

In real world "that weird unpopular girl" just doesn't become popular girl's true friend in such a short time span.

For example, Katou's and Tomoko's relationship isn't really explained or fleshed out at all because, as pointed out, there are too many characters out there to focus on any of them properly, so they just end up being eye candy for the new yuri/shipper readership of Watamote, who don't seem to care about much else than the characters and even that on a surface level.

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user isn't a woman so the comparison is pointless

And that is what makes it boring and stupid to die!
Death to all the fags that defend the nuWatamote, death to u / and all the fuckers responsible for changing the course of a story that was fine as it was!

It wasn't the exact same scenario but I remember a popular girl in high school who one day had apparently made friends with the quiet girl, it does happen. And it makes sense that someone like Katou wouldn't bullshit around, she likes Tomoko and wants to be her friend.

>And that is what makes it boring and stupid to die!
Very compelling argument, I'm truly BTFO.

>user isn't a woman so the comparison is pointless

Come to think of it, to what kind of people you think Watamote tries to appeal to (in the beginning and currently)? What is the gender, age, social status, etc. of a regular reader and what they get from reading Watamote?

The public comment sections () at least seem to be a sausage fest.

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it's in the name of the manga, and at the start of every chapter
and she still addresses herself being unpopular with guys almost everytime she's with Shizuku
dumb falseflag

This thread will die and there is nothing you can do to prevent it, a/ will be the Tomb of watamote and remain unchanged of all of you stupid animals of u/

>and she still addresses herself being unpopular with guys
Of course it's not like she never wants a love life anymore, it's just not a priority right now with her just wanting to enjoy her final year of high scool with the friends she's made and making sure she gets into college.

I can understand OP, although I do like new chapters, but, yes, now it's little bit boring.

I think, we need to see some of this list:
1. Tomoko's first love
2. Tomoko does something stupid and ruins friendship with her best friend (don't remember her name, the first girl from the past)
3. Tomoko starts questioning the nature of her current bonds after something or someone shows her that, well, all these girls are not her friends, they are just hanging out together sometimes. Tomoko sees who is who.
I just afraid that manga can become predictable and boring.

OP sure has a lot of familiar looking pictures for someone who's only just read Watamote.

>don't remember her name

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>I just afraid that manga can become predictable and boring

The manga is currently a high-school drama without the drama. Most of them just get along with each other all nice and dandy, days are spent studying and exchanging a few words here and there without becoming any wiser. Even when Tomoko gets hit, it's ok and nothing serious really happens.

What's that supposed to mean? I've screenshotted most pics I've used here myself as I plowed through the chapters.

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He means it's obvious you've been reading for a long time and that this entire thread is bait.