ALL REMAINING SYSTEMS WILL BOW TO THE FIRST ORDER

>They never explain who the first order is or where they came from
>They never explain who the resistance is or what they're resisting

Three movies to explain any of this and they never did. Just staggering incompetence

>get your hands on one of the biggest franchises of all time
>immediately fuck it up by trying to remake the OT, and by not listening to the guy who turned it into a billion dollar franchise in the first place

Nah, the people who cry about the sequels always do so through the lens of infantile complaints like "a bloo bloo luke was sad that makes me feel sad, why did Leia and Han get divorced, why was the prequel retcon of RotJ being a permanent victory of good over evil forever undone bloo bloo"

if George wanted to make a sequel trilogy he could have done so, but he instead decided to sell, and gave up any right to decide the creative direction the series would take

if I buy your house you don't get to stand over my shoulder and dictate what renovations I can and can't make to it

They didn't care. They just wanted a soft reboot of the setting.

They didn't have to make him in charge of the franchise, just that maybe they should have taken the advice of the guy who made the franchise what it is in the first place?

what was Snoke's tax policy?

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The idea of George as a solo rogue auteur who had all the answers is historical revisionism and the original Star Wars would have been a disaster without Gary Kurtz, the editing team of Paul Hirsch, Richard Chew, and Marcia Lucas, the rewrites by Gloria Katz and Willard Hyuck, Brian de Palma rewriting the title crawl so audiences weren't immediately lost in the first reel, etc. and George has pretty hands-off in the creative process of Empire, which was where the series proved it wasn't just a one-off fluke. Honestly, there is a direct correlation with George's increased involvement in the series and when it started to go downhill, starting with George bullying Gary Kurtz out of Return of the Jedi and shadow directing the movie. I know you were 5 when Attack of the Clones came out so you don't remember this, but people fucking hated the prequels when they first came out and a lot of people over the age of 20 still do. I don't blame Disney for not being keen to have him super involved in the process for the new films, and again, if George wanted to steer the ship he easily could have done so, but he instead chose to sell because at heart he's a bitter nerd who never actually enjoyed the process of creating motion pictures

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Read the books, honey

>Epic battle of galactic proportions as the republic's Armada engages the first order
>it's just 5 x wings vs 10 tie fighters

You're right. What we really needed was yet another Death Star but this time even biggerer and betterer shooting lasers through hyperspace that can split midflight and accurately destroy five different planets while people across the galaxy watch the explosion in their own sky in real time. Then we needed all three movies to be shot for shot remakes of the original three with snarky insults pre-emptively lobbed towards anyone who might complain so defenders can immediately shit on them in twitter threads. All those people who have loved star wars for decades are 100% completely wrong and you are right that star wars shouldn't belong to them anymore and they should accept that it's high quality regardless what their brains tell them.

>autistic nitpicking about unrealistic physics in Star Wars
>turns into infantile complaining about how "fake" fans are stealing the franchise from the "real" fans

lol i can smell the virginity from here

kill

If there one single thing that made the sequels so god-awful, it was that they made the original trilogy completely redundant. Everything Luke, Leia and Han did was completely meaningless and erased in a relatively short period of time. The Sith are back in charge. The Emperor didn't die so Anakin's redemption was fruitless. Han and Leia's son turned into a psycho. Luke is a hobo who hates the force and tried to murder his nephew. Han is even back doing smuggling shit. Sure we can complaing about SJW shit, Abrams' mystery box and Rian Johnson subverting expectations, but what really sticks out is how the character arcs in one of the most iconic hero's journey tales were completely nullified.

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>ugh we JUST defeated the German Empire, but this Hitler guy is back and his THIRD Empire is even stronger than the last! god this is such bad writing
>What do you MEAN Putin is invading Eastern Europe again!!! The Cold War was over 30 years ago, god it was all so pointless!

>most iconic hero's journey tales were completely nullfiied
You know nothing about the actual hero's journey beyond memes on right-wing incel forums and plenty of classic hero's journeys (Beowulf, Arthur) end with the hero getting old and fat having grown despondent in victory, only for them to prove their heroism again and dying redeemed

>hurr di durr putler
Stories aren't real life.
> prove their heroism again and dying redeemed
No one did that in the Star Wars sequels.

Thankfully there were 20 years of buildup between the world wars to provide context and we didn't timeskip from one to the other with no explanation.

>Stories aren't real life
Stories reflect our reality and Star Wars is heavily influenced by history, you fucking retard. If all you are looking for in stories is infantile escapism where nothing is ever learned and you receive nothing but positive reinforcement that you're the biggest, most specialist boy ever then that's why you've never been able to grow up

>No one did that in the Star Wars sequels
>Han stops running from his problems, helps mentor Rey and Finn, reconciles with Leia and gives his life to try to save his son's soul

>Luke becomes the ultimate culmination of everything Yoda ever taught him, re-enacting his miracle at the end of RotJ on a larger scale, keeping the spark of hope alive by saving the Resistance and inspiring the next generation of Jedi to awaken

I'm sorry your only idea of heroism is killing lots of people with your lightsaber and flipping around

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If you were honestly expecting TFA to provide 35 years' worth of exposition and wiki dumps then you're fucking delusional, wookieepedia has rotted your brain and you can't make inferences anymore.

>Rian is STILL browsing this board trying to defend his piece of shit
Rian I think you're based for crashing Yidnsey Wars wish no survivors but this is just sad, give it a rest

It didn't need to have 35 years' worth of anything if what it jumped to wasn't retarded.
>killing the Emperor really did topple the empire - it's gone now
>but there's a bigger and badder group called the First Order that came from ??? and runs shit now
Literally just say someone stepped up to take over after daddy lightning hands died and you don't need the rest of the bullshit.

The prequels:
>Introduced political minutia into a series that, until that point, had just been pew pew in space
>Told a sophmoric but still intriguing tale about the dangers of complacency, the siren song of simple, blunt, and efficient solutions that can cause good men to stray from the path of righteousness, and how democratic institutions rot from within
Meanwhile the sequel trilogy couldn't even decide on what genre it wanted to be, what source material it wanted to ape, and what message it was trying to send. You could tell that those in charge were basing the next stage of the plan from their own knee-jerk reactions to fan criticisms. It never had an identity, it was an astroturfed film series.

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There is nothing in the original cut of RotJ to suggest the Empire actually fell after Endor, and even if killing Sheev did cause a temporary power vacuum the idea that the entire might of a galactic-spanning Empire collapsed after one battle is absurd. I don't know why the idea that some sort of rump state continued to exist 35 years later after RotJ and was able to threaten a galaxy lulled into a false sense of security after decades of peace is so unbelievable to some fans.

>There is nothing in the original cut of RotJ to suggest the Empire actually fell after Endor
No, but there is in The Force Awakens, which is where the problem is.

The opening crawl says "risen from the ashes of the Empire" but never does it say "the Empire completely collapsed after Endor causing their entire infrastructure and manpower to collapse to the point they should be a non-factor decades later" as some fans seem to think happened

I want him to blow me, if you know what I mean.

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The "New Republic" completely disbanding its army 30 years after the battle of Endor while the First Order builds a Death Star+++ in complete secret just so we could have the Resistance 2.0 vs the Empire 2.0 is so colossally contrived I don't know how you can not feel retarded just entertaining the thought

The Republic dismantled its military after the war against the Sith and had a millennium of peace. The Republic has always been retarded, and the inaction of the New Republic is meant to mirror the complacency of European nations in the buildup to World War II, trying to ignore and then appease Hitler because they were desperate to avoid another war.

Nah, it's just a pretext so they could copy paste the OT

You should've lost all hope the moment that the opening crawl mentioned that it was just going to be another empire vs. rebels story even though we canonically just got that exact same story right before TFA. The difference is that the world and universe was fleshed out by Lucas meanwhile Disney erased all of that just to reuse the same plot. Kylo kills like 6 trillion people and no one felt a thing.

Yeah they wanted to go back to Rebels vs. Empire, sure, because that's why people like Star Wars

le epic blue art of war man and the Yuuzuukazuuzuu VingVong would have been totally alienating to general audiences

Imagine if they actually made something new with a new republic and a different antagonist faction. Maybe the remnants of the empire could even work with the republic.

>Anakin knew about exegol and where it was located but decided to not tell Luke this vital information not even in ghost form

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You can write a story about Jedi vs. Sith without using the exact same political context. They didn't even attempt. When they panicked after TLJ and realized the foundations for this trilogy were not good enough to create a satisfying conclusion they just re-used the emperor and ended the series with as little thought and effort as possible.

I wish this franchise just die. It's so bad, basically capeshit in space.

>white people and nazis bad!
Anyone else really tired of this?
All the camps inspected by the US, were proven not to be execution camps, only Soviet controlled camps are claimed to be execution camps, despite zero physical evidence that they were.

>Empire destroyed
>*sigh* Somehow the Empire has returned and...
>*sigh* Somehow the Nu-Empire has built an even bigger more powerful death star completely in secret...

pointing out plot holes the dumpster fire that had the MacGuffin map knife is absolutely pointless

Almost a century later National Socialism is still so preferable to jewish rule our misfortune must constantly propagandize to convince golems to think of their disorder as better.

It's not.

If National Socialism is such a strong and powerful ideology why did they lose lmao

At least the 'your mum' joke was good...

So long as whites live we can still beat jews.

pic related always reminds me of this
youtu.be/EH7dDzDWyHk?t=49

which is probably not what jar jar abrams intended

I'M THE SPY!

Star Wars is a space fantasy, having Han and Leia get divorced is like focusing on Aragorn setting tax policy. What makes it even worse is they literally only did it to retcon their character development and revert them back to bastardised versions of themselves from Episode IV.

Jews are really hamfisted and lazy in their distortion of history. Its like ohh every evil organization has to echo our weird character of Nazis so our golem idiots believe its le Nazis in space.

God I hate the jews so much.

To be fair, even Mark Hamil thought Rian's idea of Luke was way, way off. I've never known an actor to go to so many red carpet events and interviews and basically say "Yeah I think the director fucked my character up hard".

Mark has also shat on Return of the Jedi, said that it was out of character for Luke to attack the wampa, and people always deliberately excise Mark saying that it's not the Luke he personally wanted, that he understands why rian made the choices he did and that it was the right decision for the story he wanted to tell.

Actors also are not writers and are often incapable of removing their own ego out of the equation

They normally couldn't use "Sith" anymore since the Chosen One prophecy was all about restoring balance to the force where the Sith were the ones causing the imbalance and who were finally destroyed in RotJ.
But I guess not even Lucas gave a shit about that in the end since he "planned" to have Darth Maul to be the antagonist in the sequels.

the chosen one prophecy was always fucking retarded and was a massive retcon based on toy sales - since Darth Vader was the guy on the cereal boxes and the center of the marketing, George decided that meant Vader had to be the most important person in the entire universe, the chosen messiah born of a virgin who destroyed evil forever

I think Maul coming back to life always was and will be retarded, but at the very least Clone Wars has Maul officially kicked out of the Sith and stripped of his "Darth" title, he only keeps the name Maul because it's the only one he's ever known, as he doesn't remember his life before the Witches of Dathomir gave him up to Darth Sidious