>"I hate superheroes. I think they're abominations. They were originally in the hands of writers who would actively expand the imagination of their nine-to-13-year-old audience. That was completely what they were meant to do and they were doing it excellently. These days, superhero comics think the audience is certainly not nine to 13, it's nothing to do with them. It's an audience largely of 20-, 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men, treating this stuff as if it was some kind of religion? Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal. This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s."
>"“If you are older than 18 and still read this kind of stuff, old or new, you should be ashamed. I haven’t seen a superhero movie since the first Tim Burton Batman film. They have blighted cinema, and also blighted culture to a degree. Several years ago I said I thought it was a really worrying sign, that hundreds of thousands of adults were queuing up to see characters that were created 50 years ago to entertain 12-year-old boys."
I mean, he’s right. But this is just has society, media and everything has evolved into over the past 30 years.
If it wasn’t superheroes, it would be something else.
He needs to put this in better perspective though. How many grown adults were still watching westerns in the 1950s and 1960s?
Kevin Carter
Normalfags don't actually like or care about superheroes. They only watch those movies because they want to see special effects and fight scenes, and the genre is just a vehicle for those things to exist. As politely as possible, the average person is basically a retard with zero meaningful thoughts in their brain.
Isaac Cox
What happened to Alan Moore? He's grown into the very thing he despises, an out-of-touch, conservative-minded boomer.
Jace Perez
So we went from Jodorowsky to Moore?
Asher Young
>As politely as possible, the average person is basically a retard with zero meaningful thoughts in their brain.
no but americans tend to assume that nobody cares what they have to say. deeply cynical place. no wonder people turn to escapist fantasies
Jonathan Gutierrez
>“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
I hate fags who think they’re too good for the medium they actively created.
Carson Brooks
Can we get a genderbent Alan Moore getting fucked mercilessly by superman while say this stuff? That would be hot
Julian Hughes
>What happened to Alan Moore? e's grown into the very thing he despises, an out-of-touch, conservative-minded boomer. That's called "growing up".
Jaxson Brooks
this nigga created a bunch of capeshit for manchildren, so i don't want to here it. watchmen is the quintessential manchild superhero comic.
Mason Ortiz
Based jesus lion man
Anthony Phillips
Except neither created the concepts of anime or superheroes.
Gabriel Brooks
Unironically what does alan moore want from media if not for capeshit? >Normalfags don't actually like or care about superheroes. Thats bullshit
Christopher Baker
>Unironically what does alan moore want from media if not for capeshit? actual art
Kevin Bell
>actual art So more rape, then?
Angel Howard
>Hates supes and says they were for 9-13 year olds >Has written nothing but characters getting raped, abused, murdered, etc in a way not for 9-13 year olds. >Ignores Captain America and Supes were for all ages even during WW2. Similar to Garth Ennis cries about evil fascist white men when most were created by Jews, including Jack Kirby who was deployed on D-Day as a frontline scout. How is it that Moore acts like a bigger wimp/crybaby about Comics than Kirby, Lee, or even Ditko who faced more hardships than him both in and out of the biz?
>Hates supes and says they were for 9-13 year olds And he's right.
>Has written nothing but characters getting raped, abused, murdered, etc in a way not for 9-13 year olds. All of his work amount to "superheroes don't belong in real world and in "real" world they would some of the most mental fucked up shit possible. Leave them in childhood where they belong".
>Ignores Captain America and Supes were for all ages even during WW2. As a tool of propoganda. During wartime people feel small and powerless on their own. You need something to keep the morale high. It is basically a religion, like it or not. Is this your ideal of "superheroes for grown-ups?"
Andrew Martinez
Do the middle aged comic fans he's talking about even use the term 'graphic novel'? It always makes me think of scholastic adventures and autobiographical coming out stories instead of capeshit.
Connor Fisher
he's absolutely right about the "graphic novel". its a way for 40 year old fatass nerds to justify themselves reading children's books
Jackson Hernandez
what
Lincoln Clark
>>Ignores Captain America and Supes were for all ages even during WW2. brainless take. Cap was created before America entered the war as an anti-Hitler statement, like Ennis, Moore's a chickenhawk projecting shit onto people who lived during WW2
Joseph King
>the average person is basically a retard with zero meaningful thoughts in their brain. Not you though, huh? What's it like being so cynical?
Hunter Ward
post in the drawthread user
Kayden Lewis
Too bad, all he'll get is more exploitation shlock
Legit question, why does everybody care so much about Alan Moore's opinion?
How would it change anything if he where suddenly to change his mind and go "You know what lads, I was wrong, superhero's are great and Disney is magic and WB is awesome and Stan Lee was Shakespeare"?
Graphic Novel was a concept invented by Librarians user
Jaxon Jones
it doesn't matter who invented it, it's still what shitass nerds call them to justify them reading comics.
Justin Baker
Literally who? Probably some low tier author compared to Moore that capeshit kiddies will jack off to
Julian Clark
|No one's actually calling random monthlies and trades graphic novels. You should try thinking for yourself instead of slavishly parroting someone else's strawman argument
Parker Hernandez
Tranny cope
Ethan Bell
Moore supports trannies and hates Casualgaters.
Josiah Martin
Tranny cope.
Oliver Nguyen
Has anyone tried to tackle his million word novel Jerusalem? I got the book as a Christmas gift and I don't know
Henry Reyes
>adding 'created 50 years ago' as though it's some inherently negative quality
Why do people really care about what a pedo boomer like Moore has to say?
Dominic Bell
>Dies Alan moore still lives
Logan Carter
Remember that this is -japanese- otaku, where the term is synonymous with "neet with a waifu pillow".
Dylan Powell
Same meaning in the west
David Cruz
>Legit question, why does everybody care so much about Alan Moore's opinion? Because he might be one of five writers of comics whose IQ is above 105. And also one of the few with anything interesting to say and is also a good writer.
Aiden Cook
Did he actually ever say that? Because I can't find the source.
Matthew Thompson
I think it's pasta. I just saw this same exact thread on/tv/
Nathan Morgan
The term for a neet in japanese was always hikkikomori though.
Brandon Harris
I could finally find the bottom half being real. But it ends with >This may be entirely coincidence but in 2016 when the American people elected a National Socialist satsuma and the UK voted to leave the European Union, six of the top 12 highest grossing films were superhero movies. Not to say that one causes the other but I think they’re both symptoms of the same thing – a denial of reality and an urge for simplistic and sensational solutions. Which was oddly left out. The top is probably fake though.
He seems to be entirely against escapism in general, too.
Cameron Cox
Based ChristChad BTFOing the unsaved snake-worshiping communist from beyond the grave.
>no but americans tend to assume that nobody cares what they have to say. and they would be right. americans are fucking retards
Cameron Ramirez
Except normalfags literally don't think. They are animals, their heads are filled with white fucking noise. They respond to stimuli like fucking cattle, they merely display emotions based on their lowest needs of a witless creature.
Connor Murphy
C.S. Fucking Lewis, dipshit
Anthony Ortiz
>including the fear of childishness coping man-child. i have no fear of childishness, im just not interested in it. if you want to read about the exploits of a hero, human history is full of them. put down the capeshit and read something meaningful.
Juan Rivera
This. There are much better things for people to read than capes.
Carson Moore
Again, literally who? Manchild author for manchild trannies, lol
Josiah Hill
You getting mad at it counts as well. Real adulthood is reached when you simply become indifferent to stuff you don't like.
Logan Turner
Narnia and LOTR is manchild shit, read real literature capetranny
Angel Sanders
You realize that that quote is direct refutation to a quote from the bible?
Hunter Reed
No. I can do whatever I want. If you can't handle that, you can go fuck your mother.
Grayson Cox
This. LOTR is practically Capeshit.
Henry Sullivan
>if you want to read about the exploits of a hero, human history is full of them lmfao
Ryan Diaz
The epic of Gilgamesh and Hercules were capeshit for fossils
Ethan Anderson
>literally who Your illiteracy isn't a boast.
Justin Fisher
>manchildren too immature for LOTR and Narnia
Caleb Young
Your shitty book about closet lions isn't literature either
Asher Campbell
Don't forget the odyssey
Bentley Hall
He's projecting too much. Yes, superhero coming books groomed a lot of manchildren and continue to be run for them and by them, and Moore himself is probably really insecure about his role in all of this. But that's genuinely not true for mainstream audiences of superhero movies, these are normal people who do not obsess ove rit 24/7, but just go to have some fun.
Anti Capeshit comic written by Moore and Jodorowsky when?
Michael Price
It's just the same old boomer take of "this media I don't like is ruining society" with a more polite coat of dressing. Alan Moore has more in common with those right-wingers he hates than he'd care to admit.
He disowned the killing joke after three months. Since he left mainstream comics, he hasn't actually made anything truly great, maybe thats why he is so bitter.
Cameron Mitchell
Thanks Alan, I'm sure to be shamed by the guy who can't write a comic without at least one gratuitous rape scene
Austin Kelly
>With his first wife Phyllis, whom he married in the early 1970s, he has two daughters, Leah and Amber. The couple also had a mutual lover, Deborah, although the relationship between the three ended in the early 1990s as Phyllis and Deborah left Moore, taking his daughters with them.
Rape is art, sorry capeshitprudes can't handle mature content
Robert Diaz
Is he the Brendan Fraser of comic writers?
Angel Evans
>He disowned the killing joke after three months. And righfully so. Because the kind of stuff that he made is exactly the problem. Children media can be enjoyed by adults, but they should stay what they are. It's when you try to make it into this "mature" abomination for manchildren that the issues start to show. But he's projecting his own mistakes onto everyone else.
Nolan Walker
It can be portrayed artistically, but I swear to God Moore writes more about rape then Miller does about whores.
Off the top of my head for Moore rapefics we've got Watchmen, LoEG, Tom Strong, Lost Girls, Neonomicom, Providence and From Hell
Now at least in From Hell and Watchmen I get it, but holy shit does that bearded old coomer love to write about rape
Adrian Cook
>Superman >Not The Prankster
Aiden Murphy
Based and check
Jacob Myers
What are adults supposed to do then?
Adrian Harris
Be like Alan Moore and act like a manchild over Victorian characters, obviously
Robert Stewart
What characters? What do these characters do?
Landon Roberts
Well in an Alan Moore story they mostly rape and murder each other. Still has my favorite Tripod designs but goddamn does League have a lot of weird characterization. Does Johnathan Harker mad dirty.
Lincoln Myers
The verse referred to, in it's context is specifically referring to the process of maturing in your relationship with Christ It has nothing to do with concerning yourself with whether or not the media you consume appears childish to other people
Adam Foster
>t. armchair sociologist
Kayden Morris
based
Brody Martin
No it wasn't, Eisner created the term and he did so specifically to cater to artsy types who wouldn't be caught dead reading a comic.
Jordan Sanchez
Alan Moore is out of touch like all the old fucks, it why black people hate him so much
Hudson Hernandez
Retard. Hikikomori are people who refuse to leave their house.
>They only watch those movies because they want to see special effects and fight scenes, and the genre is just a vehicle for those things to exist. You have a point there. Star Wars used to provide these things, as did the Harry Potter films and most blockbusters. The Star Wars prequels might have sucked, but they did deliver in the gigantic, CGI fantasy-action during the 00s. When the MCU eventually came in, the Star Wars sequels simply couldn't hold up to it, or even to the prequels. And ever since the Harry Potter film series ended, Warner Brothers has tried, and failed, to mimic the success of the MCU.
Jacob Hall
Hobo rapist looking-ass, his penis must be so small it breaks records.
Evan Ramirez
If he hates superhero comics so much, why hasn't he and other hacks tried to bring more non cape comics into the spotlight to show people that they can be good and aren't just a medium made for children?
You’re illiterate if you think that’s the only thing thing he wrote.
Owen Sanchez
/thread
insecure fags on suicide watch.
Lincoln Thomas
You know Lewis wrote actual theology and shit right?
Gavin Jones
I've never seen somebody so willing to admit that they suffer from main character syndrome.
Ethan Adams
>Because the kind of stuff that he made is exactly the problem. Children media can be enjoyed by adults, but they should stay what they are. The type of stories he was writing were never for children. Many Golden Age stories were never intended solely for child consumption. >"comics is 4 kids!" is just an idiotic holdover from the 60s and earlier 70s. Kids had their own comics, but then by the mid-80s, so would adults. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Moore is the most hated comics writer on this board. He always has threads. Things are very different now. If he had foreseen how bad it got, he would never had said this. Unfortunately, what he said is in stone for the mindless Funko-displaying consumer. >who faced more hardships than him both in and out of the biz How do you know? He used to love them, but Marvel, DC, and Image took all that love away. He was moving away from it in the 90s with comics like From Hell, A Small Killing, and Big Numbers, but due to many publishing issues, and what he saw was a very negative impact partly thanks to Watchmen, he started doing positive capeshit and alternate capeshit. While most of these comics were good, they had little to no effect.
Isaiah Stewart
>Things are very different now. >If he had foreseen how bad it got, he would never had said this. Not true at all. The point still stands entirely. Just because some people let their lives turn to rot over their hobbies doesn't mean you can't have "childish" interests and hobbies yourself.
Just use moderation, like every other functioning human.
Moore hasn't been doing anything comic related for years now, he's moved on to monetizing his hippie wizard ramblings. >youtu.be/1eN0auaPVA8
Get over it and mode on.
Jeremiah Taylor
Buds Root > Alan Moore
Joseph Campbell
>Yes, WW2 comics telling you to buy warbonds was totally directed at 9 years old Fuck off, retard.
David Butler
Cool, not children media tho so you're a faggot.
Adrian Scott
This. The quote is for the average person, not some autists obsessing over plastic dolls, those people would be obsessing over something else if funkos didn't exist anyway.
Carson Ortiz
>old man complains about shit he doesn't watch News at 11.
Angel Barnes
Those are unironically some of the best drawn boobs I've ever seen.
Robert Davis
Nice.
Mason Torres
Is that the comics that turned into an unhinged Harry Potter fanfic?
Luke Jenkins
> As politely as possible, the average person is basically a retard with zero meaningful thoughts in their brain. It really is just this, and it’s honestly not an issue. Most people aren’t concerned with profound storytelling, they just want to have a good time
Zachary Jenkins
if you like it and already have access to sadpanda, I suggest you look up Bud Root's works. a large portion of his collection is posted.
Talking to Mignola? This thread is about Moore. He disowned it because it wasn't his baby. There is no rape in From Hell. It's the lack of desire to be grown up that's the problem. Therein also lies moderation, a grown-up concept. I remember Cavewoman. What's he been up to?
