Lore-wise, bile-hunters are outcasts of the South Junction who've made a desperate living in scavenging/hunting for and selling black bile. A bile-hunter is noticed by his/her having one missing eye.
wait, so all the outcasts with this particular job are all missing an eye? meant to sarcastically quote
Justin Davis
Gonna be free around Wednesday to work on a comic, finallly. I might ask a writer here for collaboration since I want to practice doing some short story with a couple of pages. I'm the guy who likes to draw horny Kamala btw, so if anyone has any ideas just tell me
I love how that's just an identity you're confident in being known as. Why not make that your comic? And if you don't want it to be a fancomic, invent a new character who has similar things you like about her?
Carson Gonzalez
I too can admire a perky posterior. Thank you, user.
>wait, so all the outcasts with this particular job are all missing an eye?
Pretty much.
I even have a description for them in my story bible.
"Those who brave such conditions often make a living through hunting for and trading in bile. Such outlier huntsmen are marked by a single missing eye; the successful ones at least. This traditional act of self-enucleation is believed to bestow the hunter an unseen eye to distinguish the quality of spirits/energies attracted to certain bile – an ‘eye’ into unseen layers."
Isaac Young
Ah okay, it sounded like that was just something that happened to happen to them all. That'd be one hell of a coincidence. So basically they're half as crazy as the Dead-Eye Druids, but twice as observant since Dawn and Courtney never actually went through with it.
Brody Sanchez
In-universe, the South Junction is a murky bog of black arts and macabre rituals, so it's a reflection of their culture, even if they are outcasts. It's hard to detach oneself from a culture that essentially behaves as a cult, this particular one being a death cult.
>Why not make that your comic? Mostly because I'm in the mood for a collaboration. Fresh ideas and such. I do want to make a porny Kamala comic eventually though.
Cooper Perry
Nothing like a cliche that redeems itself by going sideways, so to speak. First prize.
Hudson Roberts
whoops, forgot to put back my trip because I was shitposting
Brayden Perry
What the hell man, this is so damn cute, love it! Thank you so so much! My favorite baby eater oni is getting popular.
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Not really. I still dont think I have many views but thats only natural.
>Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? I like the people im meeting and by starting my comic I got curious about webcomics which gives me some more fun.
Unrelated to that today I woke up with a cold and skipped work. I really wanna get fired.
Also, my comic tapas.io/episode/1272284 Is a romcom about a dark elf girl trying to convince a pirate priest to be into bondage. Not really.
Thanks. I'm just getting started so i really need to work on the basics. I used those anime robot fap figurines as a reference for joints. Honestly i need to think long and hard how to mix 80s design without looking too bulky and still be flexible. I agree with you about knees but i'm pretty sure hip joints are fine. Anyway i'll probably fuck off for a long time improving my art.
Jace Davis
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? People very close to me telling me that I'm wasting my time and that nothing good would come from it. >Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? Some people came across my work and offered me some great freelance jobs. >Don't just post an image, let us know what your comic's called, and link us to it! Reposting from the previous thread:
> IBRAHIM COYLE >Ibrahim Coyle is just your regular con-man and a self-proclaimed PI, secret agent or whatever the client needs, as long as there's some cash on him . These are some of his wackiest adventures, so mostly all of them.
Very cute! proportions could use some work, but good job nevertheless
Nicholas Morgan
I've been working on a comic for the last 6 years mulling it over and rewriting everything so I'm hoping to finally get started drawing it soon.
Xavier Ramirez
>I hope new thread guy is okay. I'm fine (for the most part). I've been busy the past week and had to call it an early night last night. If I didn't have shit to do and places to be I'd say fuck today and go back to bed with my aspirin bottle and a movie.
You did a good job, OP. Thanks for stepping in!
Also a random link some people might enjoy: Search animal images via rotating a skull >x6ud.github.io/#/
Ryan Jones
Do you realize how pathertic that is? YOU GOTTA MAKE IT. Dont let it sit for years while your life passes you by. it's not gonna be perfect and your gonna hate it, that's how it is with all art.
Nolan Powell
Posting a new page for The Tale of Jasper Gold that's just gone live. taleofjaspergold.com/
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right?
Making comics is still a learning process. So the only things that go wrong are things that come with trial and error. The only discouraging thing that had happened to me was when I lost my mother sometime after I had finished completing the first chapter, and was going on to the second one. I had to take a break for a while to deal with her passing. During the third chapter, I was diagnosed with Meniere's, and due to the vertigo and vomiting, I would sometimes have to completely stop working on whatever I was doing to lie down. I don't know if this counts as something going unexpectedly right, but people seem to enjoy the comic so far. And that makes me happy to hear.
>I really wanna get fired. That sounds like it's time to get a new job.
James Gutierrez
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Before starting my webcomic I expected to have a few readers. You know, just a few. Hasn't really happened. >Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? Uhhh, I can draw a little bit now, and some people like my non-webcomic stuff.
In three months Ill have enough money to move to Canada for a new job so ill resign then! My webcomic will probably move forward more quickly for a while then.
William Butler
I swear to god I'll find some motivation I swear.
Josiah Parker
you know exactly why you're lacking readers my main beef is that you have almost as many views as i do
I was lacking pose inspiration so I recycled the pose of a 3 year old unfinished sketch. then I realized I had to fix a bunch of it. Just try not to look at her elbows
Jonathan Nelson
Don't fuck off for too long, I'm really interested to see where this goes The hips might look right because that's how a woman is shaped, but if you play around with the right toys you'll see what I meant about the diagonal joint not moving right. All my old ninja turtle figures had the same v-cut hips, and if you rotated the legs forward, their heels would be facing each other. It took playmates til 2008 to figure out this problem.
Adrian Butler
That is insanely useful
Sebastian Turner
I like this premise.
Henry Price
bump for great justice
Ian Allen
Yea Forums can I get your opinion. Do you think it's viable to just be a webcomic writer who collaberates with others or do you think that dynamic is a set up for failure?
Jacob Johnson
i think most artists already have their own ideas they want to draw. Unless you pay them.
Isaac Kelly
A belated welcome back to one of my favorite webcomics. I look forward to the continuing adventures of Ben, Rodney, and cosmic horrors that lurk beneath the shadows with the vengeance of eons long passed.
Nolan Butler
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? Well, nothing! except for tomorrow showcase, that came unexpectedly right! Ghadar Adventures, read it now! >ghadar.smackjeeves.com/ I'm gonna take a hiatus until next week, sorry!
>I lost my mother Stay strong. I worry about this everyday as I"m drawing. How did she pass? How old are you? How's the comic doing? Sorry for all the questions, I'm looking for some direction.
the majority of big successful webcomics have separate authors and artists.
Brandon Bell
I have. I've offered people the opportunity to name their price and they just never get in touch with me afterwards.
My question is:
Do you think that on the internet, where everyone is a creator of some form these days, it is possible to convince another person to have some sort of shared passion in creating a singular idea if it has come from another person?
Michael Gonzalez
Dunno. Id love to have Erins author draw a comic idea I have though, his artstyle fits it perfectly.
Ian Barnes
Reposting some stuff since i came in at the ass end of the last thread and it was nothing but political shitposting.
This was just for more practice. I play a game where i spout random words and try to make characters out of them. I discovered you can make a mad scientist by putting 'Doctor' in front of anything.
She passed away due to cardiac arrest. At least that’s what the autopsy says. I’m not quite sure the direction you’re looking for, as I don’t know what your personal life is like. But I had a lot of friends and family that helped me get thru it. And each month just felt easier to get by. The comic is doing fine. It’s even being published by a small press furry publisher. I know thoughts of losing someone like your mother might stress you out, but when it happens, be open to receive help, and love from friends and family. It gets easier to deal with as time goes on.
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right?
Probably first thing that went wrong was when me and my artist had to rush to get something ready for C2E2 2018. We didn't have a complete issue ready by then but compiled a preview version together. She went pro-bono for that afterwards and it took me 5 months to pay her for all the work. I was thinking the whole time she wouldn't want to keep working on the project after that but thankfully she still wanted to continue.
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? Burnout. I drew my comic too fast and I just lost all energy and interest. To alleviate it, I spent a month or so doing anything else besides drawing my webcomic. Ended up with a punk pig animation.
>Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? I don't know. People like the hatching I do for my comic. So that's a bonus. Doesn't amount to more followers or anything, but that's on me for never advertising my work. :V
Almost a year ago, yeah. However I my art has literally been through 3 stylization overhauls so I don't think I'm the one with the art you have in mind
Aiden Kelly
It reminds me a little (though not entirely) of this one comic with a gruff human and a blue-gray incubus that constantly emitted smoke... but that dude developed wrist problems
Brayden Rivera
I lost my father 6 months ago - he was a lung transplantee, until one day he caught a simple cold and through various complications eventually passed away. I was finally ready to do something with myself, aside from university, as in writing down a story and completing a short-comic so I can show publishers when the time comes. I had no friends to go through the ordeal with me. Some of the acquaintances I have still don't know I lost my dad. Obviously it was an immense setback. The gnawing creative void widened, and as of now I have been practicing art for 3 years and still no headway on what the hell I'm going to do with myself in that regard.
Even though I generally dislike furries, it's pretty nice art you go there. Hope you do well.
My dad also died after a stint in the hospital. I think that might be the worst thing ever, because you have worry followed by relief when he gets out and you think everything's fine. It still hasn't really hit me, but his dad is devastated.
Christopher Moore
I thank God that my grandfather passed away 3 months prior to my dad. He has lost his wife and all his family and I couldn't bear the thought of seeing his reaction to losing his son before he goes.
Life sucks, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Maybe existencialism would be a good setup for a comic?
I don't know what it is about your current artist's style, but it gives me a sense of deja vu. It's feels like I knew this style from when I was a kid and it gives me serious nostalgia vibes, but I just don't know how or why
Dominic Perez
a brush that just automatically adds the lip pattern, complete with shiny stuff?
William Lee
it's very Sam and Max isn't it
David Ramirez
Lip pattern and shiney gloss are separate brushes, but they come in a pack
Nathan Robinson
HOW DO I COLOR SKIN
Joshua Murphy
what type of skin? what style?
Ethan Taylor
start with orange lighten and desaturate for caucasian darken and slightly saturate for a tan. increase for native americans, southeast asians, or northern africans. darken but remain desaturated for the majority of the sorta middle-brown sorts like your middle easterners, hispanics with a lot of spanish, etc. add yellow for indonesians or obama (don't forget the chocolate pudding lipstick) darken considerably and keep saturation middlin' for a negro, then lighten or dark depending on just how much of the tar-brush he's been hit with. resist the urge to paint his lips red or white, neither of these are accurate. red or blue for oni, but technically any color is acceptable. light pink for albinos.
Isaac Sullivan
Still plugging away. Last few shadows and bits of polish to do, now.
first page completely colored, planning to release the comic in batches over the course of the summer. i hope i can stick with a good ratio of quality to quantity.
This looks really weird and kinda gross with your style. It would probably look better to just do simplified lips, instead of slapping shiny hentai-butthole lips on super simple faces.
Blake Young
I'm 100% certain Dewd is aware of that, and is just having fun Please tell me I'm right. This is a nice scene layout.
Daniel Hill
>be me >starts drafting the next chapter in my fantasy comic >fuck, this script is looking solid! >start to get the rough drafts in place >character models and background >fuckyeah.wav >s-start to feel insecure in my ability to design characters even when contemporaries say it's fine >start to work on comic >start having mild panic attacks when things arent looking how I want them too. >start to break out in hives >sweating a lot >ohfuckohfuckohfuck >dad was right, I should have been a plumber >am i really wasting my time with this? >maybe I should try again >no! This I am going to push through these next 20 pages! >start to cry >not even half way through yet >go to bed >wake up >rinse repeat
Is it even possible to come back after not updating for years?
Julian Morales
yes. the trick is to show improvement
Isaiah Russell
Say, where'd you find that brush? Asking for a friend....
Samuel Rogers
this is nice, thank you
mostly white and brown-ish
im honestly surprised Ed had other candidates to command the initiative appart from Gasparro.
Jayden Anderson
Realizing that basically all human beings are orange was an amazing revelation for me. It makes sense with simple math too, skin is white on its own, blood is red, melanin is yellow when it's thin enough that you can see through it. Put it together, you get orange cream. before that it's hard to figure out exactly what color beige-flesh-tone is because it's so vague. melanin is one of those odd things like iodine where it looks brown and goes orange and yellow as it thins, things like that are totally weird but pretty cool
Leo Cox
I find it hard to believe some sort of collaboration could work, it's hard to trust anyone. It's better to do every part of your comic alone. If my income depended on it I would just do some physical labor or something, not something where my intellectual property is entangled with someone else's.
Jack Jackson
you gotta set those decisions up ahead of time, make agreements, get 'em in writing.
Blake Murphy
Sadly user i do not know, it's a bunch of japanese letters.
Joseph Ramirez
This. Successful indie collabs are extremely rare. Usually one person's passion/commitment/standards exceeds anothers, and usually the "writer" is just a glorified idea guy who thinks he can write because he has access to a computer.
Lincoln White
Agreements on paper have no value, eventually no contracts will be enforced so it's best to avoid all the stress and drama from dragging people to court.
Logan Smith
Tonight on Saffron and Sage, foolproof math and foolproof schemes! Read the rest at SaffronComic.com etc!
The fun part about having an outline but being mostly improvisational is these little character foreshadowing beats where "makes people wear parachute pants" is added to the list of character traits I need to remember Milk has when she finally shows up.
Cinnamon is just tremendously fun to write but she's also a character who works best when she doesn't get too much screen time.
If anything it's backgrounds. I'm good with designing characters but backgrounds were never really my forte. Also dialogue, You feel like since you know all the ins and out's of these characters that you know what they'd say in any situation without it sounding cringe.
It's hard doing all this by myself but rewarding to see people giving critique and like my work. Also Here's the newest page.
Weed is legal here now, would it help me with my creativity? A lot of times I feel like I'm stagnant in my creative process and need some sort of kick. I don't like alcohol for working, the lines don't turn out well and you get really tired really fast.
you will never like anything you do, nothing you make will ever live up to what you have in your head, you gotta learn to cope with that. Make what you can make, that's all that matters is that you're trying, dude.
Jordan Edwards
Probably not. Weed mostly just makes feel relaxed and generally in a good mood, you don't trip balls on weed.
But if you get some weed, some friends, and a copy of the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man you have all the ingredients you need for an incredible Friday night.
Michael Carter
Your comic will never, ever, ever be as good in paper as the dream comic in your head, but you're the only one who sees that dream comic so you can hoodwink everyone else.
A good exercise can be to make some comics, and then lock them in a drawer for like three months before reading them back. You'll have mostly forgotten making them, and you can see the work a little bit more objectively. This helps you see the flaws, but it also helps you see the good. Reading my old shit and laughing at a joke past me wrote this an oddly empowering experience.
love Toby parker, 3 is also hilarious in a Kung Pao sort of way.
Brody Foster
No one?
Hunter Ramirez
>I might ask a writer here for collaboration since I want to practice doing some short story with a couple of pages. I'm kind of interested, if no one else has gotten back to you.
William Gray
What program at least? If you got it from a website you could link that. only agreements on paper have value or can be enforced.
Nolan Bennett
If you have trouble getting creative because of an inability to relax, yes. Otherwise, no.
Sebastian Adams
What do you mean by contemporary?
Leo Thomas
clip studio's asset store, it's free.
Mason Ramirez
Don't know if your post got flagged and removed because it had an email, but I shot you a message before it was taken down.
I made some headway on designs, thumbnailing and plotting, over this last weekend. I've also figured out a name, which wound up being a pretty big hurdle, so I'm planning to register a domain soon. Has anyone had good experiences with Geekghost? I know it was in the tutorial, but I wanted to canvas you guys first.
>What went wrong Got talked into a more sensible career, told I couldn't take art seriously as a way to earn a living; spent the last 7 years trying to be a grownup and have a big boy job.
STOP STALKING ME, COFFEE BEAR! I KNOW YOUR LIFE IT BETTER THAN MINE, STOP RUBBING IT IN!!!
Jayden Clark
I deleted it myself because I got a reply. But I just replied to you too if you're the S&S guy
Henry Sanchez
Might just be because her artstyle looks similar to some other European artists. I've seen a few who her style matches so I can understand the nostalgia feeling.
Making brushes like these are super easy, I'd suggest making your own so it matches your art better.
Gavin Harris
It's more the convincingness of the effect, not the need to have a brush to apply it instead of doing it by hand. Thanks!
Michael James
Eyyy servant of the succubus guy way past due making you fanart as well. Figured a porn comic of such a scope as yours deserves something appropriately lewd, so I'll have to just link to it rule34.paheal.net/post/view/3109721 and post this defaced version.
Wanted to give you guys this electrifying thumbs up! Always makes me happy to see you all working hard on your webcomics and art. Keep it up! I haven't been interacting as much on here in the past weeks but I really am grateful for these threads.
I think the last panel should just be her stabbing a dude. Why say what you can show?
Logan Jenkins
Sword needs more holes.
Noah Russell
Haha thanks! As long as I'm not a buried treasure chest of course haha
Makes me want my own wholesome sword! I do agree with though, showing her stabbing someone would probably make the joke even stronger.
Colton Jenkins
The artist is Vany (there's usually a long stream of As in that) an artist from Italy I'm working with on this current Tom N Artie Tales story. This won't be the last time you see her art in Tales as she's going to come back for a second story and possibly do a variant cover for Issue 3 of the main comic.
I think the moral is you need at least SOME sort of redeeming quality to your shite content
Landon Jackson
it's beautiful
Thomas Perry
Thanks. I've been slowly working up the nerve to start working on it and you help me realize that I'm worrying too much about making it perfect.
Aaron Collins
Don't course correct mid-production. Do that one chapter, publish it (or put it on a back burner), come back to it and make the next one better. Rinse repeat.
Hands aren't really that bad, I feel like people make a bigger deal out of it than they should. I know I resort to nub/ball hands alot of the time but even in my more detailed drawings, feet are harder for me.
Brayden Jenkins
After several attempts I give up on my loss pic of Rau for the tournament thing. Next time I should go with a character im actually eager to lewd.
>giving up on giving in good job. that's a pretty big image though
Joshua Thompson
>I know I resort to nub/ball hands alot of the time Well the point is to not downgrade your vision for the sake of convenience. If you don't want to kill yourself less everytime you look at your drawings, you're not doing right.
my point is that I CAN do hands when I want to, and that I have a much harder time with feet/shoes
Blake Turner
Why isnt this underaged poster banned yet
Noah Reyes
Does Yea Forumsmblr even care about hat?
Adrian Adams
Because not only is he not underage, but you have no proof or reason to think so.
Josiah Hill
>Why isn't this person I don't like banned This isn't Discord, brother.
Jack Peterson
put your trip back on discord isnt Yea Forums, youd have to explicity make it obvious that you are underage to get banned for it, accusing others doesnt mean anything
I don't understand why the author didn't flip the genders of these two characters. Rudolf emasculates himself so consistently that it's almost (but not quite) embarrassing to watch. Goodlove also makes way more sense as a man.
Pages look OK otherwise, albeit the dialogue is a little choppy.
Ethan Allen
Got a question for ya, /hyw/. To introduce a comic and its cast to an audience, would you prefer to make the first chapter an average day in the main characters' lives, or a chapter that starts at the very beginning of these characters' stories?
Dylan Stewart
Show us enough of the daily life to understand the status quo, then get to the inciting incident and start the story.
Carter Jenkins
A confident man and a submissive woman? in 2019? Imagine the support you'd get from angry pent-up guys. Nobody wants that.
Wyatt Hill
Those are the two best choices. It's tough to decide which one to go with, it basically depends on what kinda story it is. What's the appeal, what is it that's going to get us hooked, long-term?
Brandon Smith
Too many niggers
Parker Nelson
>Rudolf emasculates himself so consistently that it's almost (but not quite) embarrassing to watch. I have a weird suspicion that Goodlove herself is a self-insert and the author loves boys who submit to their partners. Which is totally within her rights, but is still a little disconcerting.
Gavin Reed
Start with the conflict. That's what we're reading for.
Samuel Fisher
Everyone there seems perfectly cultured and well-dressed, I'm not seeing any pants around knees or stolen sneakers.
Cameron Hernandez
based author
Jordan Sullivan
I wouldn't speculate on anyone, but I would assume more "manipulated by Lifetime into being scared of anything other than weak, effeminate men" than "loves boys who submit"
Cooper Brooks
First page all done, would appreciate your opinions.
Yeah this. I already worked with people doing some fan stuff of a world/characters we were fans of and I also did some original thing with others. The first thing usually works for me, there is no profit behind it and the parameters are set since we create stuff for already existing characters. The latter is horror, because first of all you and the other will most likely love completely different things and disagree on fucking everything, and aside from that you have one guy who is the boss and (main) writer and if I have learned one thing in my life it's that 95% of these so called writers are people with abyssmal writing skills and even worse creativity. Also, I noticed that they love to blame the artists for everything. I worked for one who created the worst possible stereotype/parody shit years ago, nobody cared about that stuff, I brought in some ideas and online people we talked with liked the ideas and yet, he always fucked it up with bringing some cheap comedy and selfinsert faggotry in and shittalked me all the time for not drawing some fucking background line clearly enough until I told him to suck my dick. I wasn't even payed it was just a "friendship" thing.
Andrew Hill
I can’t draw
Samuel Harris
Face seems slightly more tilted than the head in panel 1, especially looking at the eyebrows vs the horns. Overall this looks kind of wonderful and cute.
Wyatt Edwards
Not the user above but I recently lost my father too as well as one of my friends, coincidentally both around the same time. I barely have any people I am close to, now my only family is my mother and my best friends who lives quite far away and I always fear losing them too, especially since my mother is already old and gets all kinds of weird issues lately. I swear hald of the people older than 50 I knew I my life died of cancer when they're 60 or so.
Christian Ross
Thank you user, Now that you mention it I do see some mistakes with her head
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? The biggest thing that went wrong was burnout on Color Seekers. As of late I've been making daily visits to my grandmother in the hospital which has been rough and I've gotten much less work done.
>Has anything ever gone unexpectedly right? On the good side, having my comics go over well with others, making new friends, and funding two Kickstarters has been great.
how long does it take for you guys to churn out pages? i just started linework on my roughs and it feels like it is taking forever. it doesnt help that i changed my style since i started the roughs so they aren't much help. Also i cant sit too long due to my back problems. does the process get faster with time? It feels like my art is getting better but the time sink has been my first true obstacle.
Gavin Morales
It gets faster over time, but it gets slower as you get better, so you can't really predict it.
Jack Cox
The process does get a little faster with time, but the main thing about drawing comics & animation and shit is that it just takes a lot of time to do, no matter what skill level you're at. This is also the main obstacle when it comes down to balancing art and a career - most people just can't actually find the time to get good at drawing and create projects of their own unless they cast away nearly all of their other interests and hobbies.
Oliver Gray
>you get faster with time and slower with skill. so its constant. i guess the good news is, my work schedule is moving to four 10 hour days per week. hopefully i can use the extra day off to devote to this.
Luis Baker
It's not exactly constant, it's more like a wave where you get better, but then you start adding new details or skills or you get adventurous with angles, and it takes longer again until you master those. good luck with that, that sounds awful to me. but so does any work.
Luke Davis
I'd hazard I take 8-10 hours, conservatively, to fill an 11x17 board.
Jace Lewis
No wonder people try doing this for a living
Ayden Reyes
>tfw watching all these new comics blow up on reddit and have massive influx of patreons while your dogshit comic has been stagnating for years
I wish I had more commenters. Don't you guys want more people to let you know if you're doing something right with the story or not? Sometimes, it feels like readers don't want to say anything to avoid meddling with your artistic vision. We're not like the big network guys, we don't bite.
You pretty much won't go anywhere without it these days.
>"B-but muh social-political commentary--"
Just ignore that shit. Post your shit. Talk about your shit. Post on other people's shit. Social media is all about making connections with other people, and if you're not doing that IRL or online, you're not going anywhere.
Zachary Williams
I have been losing interest in mine. I have over 100 pages of content and I am burnt out it seems. I wanted to make something like one piece in space but with different aspects.
Colton James
nope, both continuing to read and finding a comic have to do with developing a fandom. developing a fandom requires advertising that content exists, social media is one facet of advertising that will have the best spread for the lowest cost. It shows to old and new readers that there's interest in the comic, interaction with that content and that it's not limited to it's hosting site. current readers will always drop off to single digits if they don't feel like there's interest or fandom to participate with. you know, being social? sorry for figuring you'd be able to grasp that connection without having to explain it...
Benjamin Cooper
i passively read every webcomic, never interact with the intended discussion sites and only shitpost about them on a chinese website
Jack Baker
You need an additional panel between 4 and 5 to show better movement transition from being in the trench to peeking out of it. Or, you can alter panel 4 to have the shadow of him standing up. It's a bit to quick of a break as is.
Samuel Hall
I do that in media that is social but isn't "social media" like what we're doing right now. Why would a person need to see social media advertising to continue reading a comic they're already reading? What kind of sick, sad person would quit reading a comic because they aren't hearing anyone else talking about it? And why do you not only think those people are numerous, but almost everyone?
Nicholas Richardson
This probably won't mean much given it's more anecdotal, but years ago there was a movement(?) that largely started on deviantart where artists were encouraged to ignore or shit on commenters directly if any posts or comments on their work didn't fit some (often) arbitrary ideal. For example you couldn't say it looks similar or reminds you of another artist, no unprompted critique especially from "nobodies", don't ask questions on ongoing webcomics (yes, this was a thing for a while), don't ask questions if you aren't friends/mutuals, and so on. If you did you'd either get blocked/ostracized, vague posted, or called out in a blog post and openly mocked. Unfortunately that shit is still around and perpetuated to varying degrees on sites like tumblr where newbies learn that that's supposed to be the norm.
I'm rambling a bit, but my point is that there's been a depressingly long history of narcissistic jackasses on an unwarranted ego trip who have made it their life's purpose to make sure their audience is absolutely terrified to interact with them literally ruining the experience for everyone else. Trying to get people to interact with you isn't going to be just fighting their apathy for attention, but all that shit I mentioned as well. Make sure you're being the person that openly and actively welcomes and seeks interaction as well as fights against the toxic mentality.
This has been a biased psa
Samuel Davis
Oh god, I've seen that shit on DA. It's sad how we all used to fantasize about what it'd be like if kids ran something, made the rules themselves... but in practice, you get DeviantART and fandom wikis.
I worked on it on and off for about a week, spent the whole evening coloring it yesterday
Jeremiah Williams
i feel my back grounds suck and I also find it tedious to make as well. How do I combat this?
Carter Myers
Perspective practice and front-loading work on repeated environments with different camera angles. I hate this site, but it's easier to locate these good how to tuts here than hunting them down on twitter: kotaku.com/tips-for-drawing-backgrounds-1759168924
It also helps if you know when a background will be repeated in other frames. Messing with the zoom or position of a larger background will let you get away with cheating on those without it looking repetitive.
Nathan Ross
Whatever Phara is saying needs to be bigger and clearer, especially when scaled down. No one will be reading that page at 1:1 scale.
Both characters are dressed in dark grey; it would be better if they had different colours and/or accessories to differentiate them. Especially in the top panel, where Vivian is blending into Phara's hat.
I would flip the middle panel as well; top and bottom panels have Vivian on the right, so why not keep those relative positions down the page?
Nathaniel Scott
a couple hours but i spread it out over the course of my entire life
It's really just because we can't have nice things. Posting the odd lewd image without having every thread degenerate into porn.
Blake Parker
i don't think you'll like the answer i post the pages every other week to my patreon if thats not enough i'm gonna make books when i'm done drawing everything its an expression of my own disintegrating notion of self, and a narrative about a man trying to cope with the onset of that experience also my entry into most pretentous wankcomic 2019
Austin Moore
whoa, kaiju girls! or rather, when they started enforcing it. I miss 2010
Ayden Thomas
The people who ruined things, in every single instance, were trolls dedicated to ruining the nice things others had. As long as everyone suffers from the acts of a few because consequences are handed out to groups instead of individuals, nothing can ever be good.
Jose Parker
Careful, you're getting dangerously close to normie mentality.
Ayden James
Started learning to draw so I can draw comics. How long should i wait until i start? As a base, 0 experience in art. Drawing min an hour a day. (Currently working my way through Loomis) Should I focus on the basics before trying to move in panels?
Carter Wright
now
Cameron Gonzalez
normies think the opposite of that
Leo Thomas
Just start drawing them whole sale? Finite amount of time to practice, just don't all at once?
Dylan Perry
it depends where you are
Josiah Watson
i started about a month or so ago at the same level. i have no idea ehat i m doing so i just dove in. my comic looks autistic as fuck but i do feel i am slowly improving. good thing about being completely ignorant is that you are willing to try anything. i finished loomis and just got to work. your art can only get better over time. sometimes its cool to see how artists improve.
Nathaniel Lee
>loomis Most depressing way to learn how to draw. Anecdotal lessons aside, the only real way to learn how to draw is to do so entirely by yourself - although it does take much more time. Even if you do, for some reason, decide to use guides to teach you how to draw, it will take you an inordinate amount of time to get to an "acceptable" state (assuming you aren't immensely talented).
Difficult to gauge when you're "there", since art is very subjective (personally why loomis is cancer), but usually it takes 5+ years of intense practice to get to a universally decent level. If you're the age I think you are, you shouldn't be posting on this board. If you are old enough to post on this board, I feel sorry for you.
Grayson Garcia
>Why would a person need to see social media advertising to continue reading a comic they're already reading? What kind of sick, sad person would quit reading a comic because they aren't hearing anyone else talking about it? And why do you not only think those people are numerous, but almost everyone? Not him but that's a really good question. Anyway it appears you're not very fond of social media (twitter, Facebook etc)? I feel you, that shit's either boring or cancer
Jonathan Campbell
I mean, the closest to that I've ever felt is I've stopped being interested in drawing fanart of a show because nobody's talking about it, and I want to show it off to other fans. if I'm gonna be ignored, it might as well be my own original stuff being ignored
Brandon Gray
Is comicsgate an exploitable resource for getting attention to your comic?
Caleb Fisher
Do you regret doing Loomis first or did it help?
Well, I am certainly old enough to post here and not really young. Why would you be sad if someone is taking up a new skill? You are never too old to learn. I'm not looking to make a career, I have a very fulfilling one already. I've just always loved comics and want to try drawing one now that my job has calmed down. I know practice is needed and I am in no rush to get to production. Just looking for advice on how to properly learn so that I am not wasting too much time. Why do you hate Loomis? It seemed like the standard guide to me.
Brandon Bell
Most people are dumb and forgetful Say you release 1 page a week. People forget about it. Life happens, you miss a week. Then you forget to check and it's out of sight and out of mind. But if you're on twitter, interacting with people and showing up in their feeds?you dont get forgotten
Sebastian Bennett
I am just ideologically opposed to the notion of "learning" to art. If you don't seek this professionally, then disregard my comment completely. Loomis is simply the most predominant one on these boards, and the one I was referred to most of the times when seeking advice. I got tired of it really quickly. By no stretch of the imagination am I overly capable as an artist, but I got to where I am artistically by my own methodology, without needing guides.
You don't seem to know how internet browsing works. You're not alone.
Caleb Powell
It's nice to hear someone as good as you saying that, but you are aware most people don't have that much success with that method, right?
Nathaniel Lee
Well you need to define "success". I started drawing when I was 15 (by that I mean that before 15 I was literally drawing stickmen), and after 6 years I got to this level (though I had 1.5 years of army, through Highschool and now College, so amount of invested effort varied) Regardless, I think the most fruitful thing my methodology provides is unique stylization, and a much greater sense of accomplishment than what you get from copying shit and styles from youtube videos and guides.
Julian Ward
That's a pretty long time. Some of us definitely aren't a fraction as good as you, with much more practice. It just happens that way.
Benjamin Adams
What was your method of self study? Just looking at things and then drawing them? Did you learn construction, shading, or perspective just by looking? Because honestly that sounds at a genius level if you got to your level in 6 years. (Assuming that level in consistent in completed works the ink area is definitely professional quality)
Jack Roberts
>the only real way to learn how to draw is to do so entirely by yourself This is really bad advice. Very few people can learn to draw well without guidance and study. While Loomis is a bit of a meme, it is still an immensely helpful guidebook, and when people meme "Loomis" what they really mean is "learn constuction and form." You have a decent understanding of construction and form, but you have major weaknesses in anatomy and more complex forms like clothing folds. It would benefit you immensely to study, even if you don't want to be a "pro" it's useful to push yourself to learn, lest you stagnate.
Ethan Ramirez
>This is really bad advice.
Seriously. I hate this meme where everyone thinks they've somehow jumped ahead of the race by ignoring everyone's advice and struck out on their own.
Loomis isn't necessarily some sort of be-all, end-all source that you HAVE to use. Art is like anything else in life; People just advise that you look to other sources to see the other people who have been there. This helps you find the shortcuts quicker, and avoid the common mistakes other people made, so you don't have to spend time making those mistakes, recognizing those mistakes, and then fixing those mistakes.
Ethan Evans
>People just advise that you look to other sources to see the other people who have been there. This helps you find the shortcuts quicker, and avoid the common mistakes other people made, so you don't have to spend time making those mistakes, recognizing those mistakes, and then fixing those mistakes. Bingo. Some people can learn solely from observation and practice, but very people can do that well. There's no point in reinventing the wheel and figuring out how to draw all on your own from the ground-up, when hundreds of better artists have devised ways to draw effectively. Even if you do come up with your own techniques and methods, you can often improve them by drawing upon pre-existing methods and merging them with yours. You don't HAVE to study Loomis. I personally think Hampton is a better book, and he covers the same basics that Loomis does in a more digestible way. But if you are intent of drawing, and do want to get better, you should study. Avoiding it doesn't make you bold and innovative or rebellious, it just makes you ignorant.
Asher Hernandez
That's what separates talent from skill. Talent's nice, but it's unreliable. And when you have it, you feel like everyone must have it too.
Connor Thomas
The funny thing is most people recognize that you can't reliably do things on your own, even if some people do pull it off, but their solution is to do what everyone else is doing, even if only a certain percentage who do that succeed at it.
Jace Williams
Only a certain percentage succeed because only a certain percentage stick with it and put in the effort to learn. Anyone can say "I want to draw," download some PDFs on art and buy a sketchbook, but very few people keep up with the learning and study. If a person picks up Loomis or Hampton, reads through it, and studies all the drawings and does all the exercises to the point where they can do them with competence, they will learn and improve by the end of it. The problem is, most people don't bother putting in the effort. People pick up the book, skim over it, maybe do a few doodles, and then wonder why their art isn't great yet. People might not learn at the same pace, some might have a more difficult time than others, but if someone actually does the work they will simply get better. And if someone isn't seeing improvement, they in all likelihood haven't done enough work yet.
Levi Long
>What went wrong? Has anything really discouraging ever happened in the process of making your comic? The growing feeling that I can't do a good job. But I have to push or get rid of thoses feelings in order to make what I want to share with others. Negatives aside, nice to see everyone's work so far, helps motivate me to work as well. Gonna draw my characters enjoying summer (since school ends tomorrow here).
i thought loomis helped immensely with my faces. only problem i had is that it kinda got me stuck on perfectly round heads for a bit. took me a while to start doing jawlines and hair and stuff. i think its a great starting point, but most of what i learned were gleamed from youtube tutorials and these threads.you can tell from my art posts earlier in this thread that i am still a shitter, but they are decidedly less shitty compared to a few months ago. best advice anyone gave me was to just draw every single day and dont be afraid to get out of your comfort zone.
Jeremiah Baker
>Only a certain percentage succeed because only a certain percentage stick with it and put in the effort to learn. What a convenient way to write off failure that doesn't fit into your rigid philosophy.
Nathan Cruz
do studies, learn different ways to draw but honestly the most i learned was from actually drawing my comic
its like reading in school, you won't actually learn if you aren't given specific purpose
Christopher Miller
Sorry for a bit of a blog.
Is anyone else here a writer thinking that they might go further as a visual artist? Feels like I started writing because I wasn't happy with my art when I was a kid/teen. But for as long as I can remember I've always gone for visual mediums like cartoons/games/movies over books. I call myself a writer while also reading the least out of everyone I know. Currently neck-deep in writing a novel and I'm not sure if it would be worth it to take the plunge and practice drawing again.
Maybe I just think it'd be cool to have drawings of my characters.
>i thought loomis helped immensely with my faces. only problem i had is that it kinda got me stuck on perfectly round heads for a bit.
I think that's why its important to have multiple sources you're using, than just any one given source or book.
Comics are kind of an interesting thing, because they require you to kind of know how to draw everything, from everywhere, from every angle, and every perspective. People, animals, objects, landscapes, buildings, interiors, etc, if you want the reader to truly believe the things you're creating.
Most comic artists generally just copied the comics and characters they liked, and then slowly morphed it into their own styles. As with anything, variety is the spice of life. You should draw upon multiple inspirations and sources. If you just did nothing but study Loomis, its its like eating a bologna sandwich and a glass of water, every day, for every meal.
Plus, in this day and age, there are countless resources at all of our fingertips by way of the internet. "Loomis" isn't the important thing. The important thing is seeing how people are deconstructing, then reconstructing what they see, and their methodology for doing it.
Ethan Hall
>loomis helped immensely with my faces. only problem i had is that it kinda got me stuck on perfectly round heads for a bit. >I think that's why its important to have multiple sources you're using, than just any one given source or book. >C
think about art direction and what emotion you want to convey with your art in the story you want to tell
but at first its okay if you try to loosen up and see how you actually like drawing
you won't learn if you don't start
Adam Baker
You could dip your toe into it by making your books illustrated.
Wyatt Ross
i started with writing. i have a lot of short stories that i always start and leave unfinished. ive been told that i am a good writer, but my ideas just dont translate to text. i get bored and unsatisfied with it it after a while. this comic thing is the first time that my ideas are getting realized, problem is i have to figure out how to actually draw.
Christian Butler
Well I know how to draw "decently" it's that I've gone through soooo many styles and they all feel like they work and I don't know which to choose since I will have to keep it for the rest of the comic.
Christian Morris
What I would like is if there is like a creator's blog or panel or interview detailing how they chose the art style for either their cartoon or comic.
Noah Ross
Don't circlejerk, please. Also, please be more specific in your critique, no vague allusions to terminology.
you never know how you want things to look like until you actually start paneling having a "style" is one thing, but directing your story is entirely another
Josiah Harris
Well, they do that in Japanese light novels, so that might be a thing. This is pretty much how I've been feeling about my writing recently, though this is the first serious project to which I've managed to dedicate myself. And yeah, figuring out how to actually draw is the difficult part. With text, people have to actually read it before they know whether it's good or bad, but with visual art people can judge the quality pretty quickly. Immediately knowing that my work was trash might've been what pushed me away from art in the first place.
Matthew Johnson
The guy looks mostly good, though his thighs could maybe be a bit thicker. They're only about as thick as hers. And maybe his legs could be a bit longer.
The girl has basically no rib cage, but more if an issue, she has no pelvis, hips, or butt at all, which makes her look like a string bean.
Logan Miller
Yeah, I guess she needs more ass.
Landon Harris
it's literally the 'i grew up on anime/cartoons and get all my learning from that' style.
Adam Reed
there's a lot of proportion issues here, but I get the impression this is a sketch. the other art he showed previously was much better. 100% wrong. anime would have taught this guy better proportions and much more attractive faces, but much less dynamic posing
Landon Campbell
It's already light years better than 95% of the garbage posted here.
Xavier Butler
>the other art he showed previously was much better.
I haven't really gotten that, personally. Sam kinds of mistakes in that image as, say, here proportional issues, anatomical issues, perspective issues, etc.
That said, I don't want to discourage the guy, because its still pretty decent, and with some refinement, could be really good. But not with the attitude that he can just ignore any potential outside help, influence, or study.
>100% wrong. anime would have taught this guy better proportions and much more attractive faces, but much less dynamic posing
I don't know about that. It looks relatively anime to me, but mostly in some of the exaggerated faces and reaction. Looks like some straight up JoJo inspiration, and if not, it looks kinda street/underground/graffiti inspired.
Sebastian Foster
>i grew up on anime/cartoons and get all my learning from that
Good deduction. I genuinely think western cartoons are pretty bad artistically, and that manga far exceeds them in any capacity. Do you get your artistic inspiration from looking at Picasso?
>100% wrong. anime would have taught this guy better proportions and much more attractive faces, but much less dynamic posing Attractive faces is entirely subjective, so pretty irrelevant. I'm a lot more JoJo inspired, so the more weeby type doesn't suit me. As for proportions, I still don't really have any idea what you guys are on about (except the ass). Again, very hard to take in criticism when you're being vague.
Jaxon Butler
Did you use a jojo character for a reference/trace of the guy? The styles and technique looks very different between the girl and the guy
Wyatt Perez
Well I'm not finished, still doing the outline, so yeah - he's gonna be more stylized when I'm doing the shading and everything.
>But not with the attitude that he can just ignore any potential outside help, influence, or study. Genuinely curious where you got that impression from.
Josiah Cox
>Genuinely curious where you got that impression from.
>Most depressing way to learn how to draw. Anecdotal lessons aside, the only real way to learn how to draw is to do so entirely by yourself
Austin Wright
>Picasso that the only artist name you know? do you realize there are other forms of illustration aside from pop culture? learning how to draw from overly stylized products is obvious because of the lack of structural/anatomy knowledge. it would still be better for a person to self teach drawing from a fashion magazine than cartoon/comic and you can spot the difference
Brody Roberts
How does that, in any way, cross out doing studies and being influenced? All I was saying is that using premade guides as scripture instead of building experience yourself is unintuitive and ruins the spirit of expressing oneself - hence, the "ideologically opposed".
A difference which you haven't quantified yet, in any way. I don't get why you'd think that drawing inspiration = only using those sources for the sake of reference (JoJo is especially good for anatomy, btw). That kind of attitude is verging on the same pretentious narrow-mindedness that made me really tired of Loomis and the autists that follow him to the letter on /ic/. Literally sucking the fun out of exploring.
Hudson Garcia
>How does that, in any way, cross out doing studies and being influenced?
Well, the guy you originally responded to asked what he should be doing, and you told him Loomis was a "depressing way to learn to draw."
On top of that, you later in that post said;
>Even if you do, for some reason, decide to use guides to teach you how to draw,
The fact that you say "for some reason" makes it sound like there's something wrong with using guides, books, or other sources to learn fundamentals, or methodology from other people.
Look, we all want to strike out on our own, and develop our own styles and methods. No one wants to just straight up copy what other people have done, and people don't even like really seeing that anyway, but it sounds like you're discouraging people from using that type of help just because you didn't particularly like it.
Justin Allen
You're right. In hindsight, it does sound like that. I guess I let my inability to conform to simple guides get the better of me. I just genuinely feel the best way to progress is through mistakes you make on your own, rather than correction you learn from something else - (horrible time consumption aside).
Daniel Brooks
No one is saying people have to conform to guides, though. You seem to be taking this stuff so literally for some reason. They're there for reference and guidance. Not to be 100% followed as absolute truths.
And people are just saying to use them because there's no reason to make mistakes that people figured out years, or decades ago. If you're having problems drawing hands, there's zero reason to keep slamming your head against the wall, drawing after drawing, trying to figure them out, when you could probably reference something, or see how someone else breaks the hand down into parts to help yourself a little better. That's to AVOID wasting time on common mistakes that other people may have a shortcut for. The less time you're making basic, amateur errors, the more time you can actually be working on more complex, derivative, advance things.
Chase Green
Im feeling absolutely miserable now but I managed to make another page.
Interesting choice of movement in this sequence, although it isn't very clear - specifically in terms of momentum. Aside from the kick away, it isn't very clear what happened.
well, it comes right after this page. Rau destroyed the tree with a kick, Priest was behind and tried a double arm-swing (his movements are limited by the chain) lunging himself towards her, she dodged it by going down, on the movement he ends up above her and she kicks him doing a roll.
If anything, your comic is seeping with enthusiasm (which I lack entirely). Obviously the anatomy, structure and such needs work but you probably know that. One thing worth noting is that more paneling indicating small motions/positioning in space will really help the combat sequences.
Colton Lopez
Hm, you are right, Ill try to implement it for the incoming action storyboards. Since Ill be having quite a few of those.
Also thank you, enthusiasm is the only thing I can be sure about my comic.
lonely...I'm, so lonely...I have nobody..to draw my shiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIITT
Ayden Robinson
>Sam kinds of mistakes in that image as, say, here proportional issues, anatomical issues, perspective issues, etc. I dunno, there it looks intentional. He looks totally in control of what he's doing. >Jojo okay I forgot about jojo, good point. That kind of anime has never been my favorite, and it does often have that kind of crazy anatomy too.
Jason Gray
Just because somebody uses picasso as shorthand for ugly faces doesn't mean that's the only artist they know. What's wrong with a reference like that?
Sebastian Powell
Angel's a cutie as usual. I thought she was half human half flying pig. I guess I don't remember ever seeing her mom. Liking this face
do NOT give this man your idea. he is going to become rich off it and let money change him
Justin King
I wasn't using Picasso as a shorthand for ugly faces, to be honest - I was trying to contrast what was said regarding taking inspiration from anime/cartoons as a defecit. I mean, where else and why would I go out of my way to delve into artistic inspiration from other sources (like mainstream art)? Why is it wrong to be inspired mainly from manga, and how exactly is it different from literally 99% of the people who post here? Also, the ugly part is subjective, but I can see why sonlme would think: one thing I hated most about anime that I watched was sameface (literally same characters with different hairstyles and eyecolors). That fear of creating characters that look too much alike sort of forced me to come up with "unique" character designs, thereby making some charactera look different (mostly eyeshape, cheekbones, noses and such being varied). Also the fact that anime was supposed to teach me how to make "pretty" faces was preposterous in that regard, seeing as animes rarely have any variability in the facial structuring in their respective series (those who do, often enough stand out)
Austin Anderson
And with that, the last person on your side in this thread has changed his mind.
Jaxon Thomas
>sides What are you, 12? I don't post here because of virtual headpats, you know - the criticism I get here is pretty informative. .
Chase Phillips
Neat to see you working on a comic squishy
Mason Reyes
The last person agreeing with and defending your points, then.
John Nelson
Like I said, it's completely irrelevant whether you defend my points or not. Sure, many of the artists here get a nice confidence boost from compliments (me included), but ultimately our goal is to improve. Which is why I prefer more criticism rather than a generic "nice, dude!". If I wanted that I'd go to plebbit.
I appreciate criticsm, if it has actual merit ("your feet should be a bit more proportinal and less shaded" as opposed to "your anatomy and structure is all wrong"). The one guy who commented on the ass, for instance
Kevin Ramirez
I disagree with that guy as well. I think it is silly and shallow to write off anime and manga because there are plenty of substyles within. Hate it or love it; Jojo looks unique. But in my eyes, so does Dragon Ball. So does Ito with all of his manga with a somewhat more realistic style.
It’s lame for people to write it off, but I’m an in total agreement that the current sameface moe “Am I kawaii sempai!? Uguu~” is boring and detrimental.
Cooper Richardson
both of those have merit as they have to do with construction. your logic is wrong if you say crit only has value if the person presenting it isn't being blunt in their opinion. projection much?
Colton Price
They only have merit if you actually say what you mean with "anatomy". What fucking use is it to me if you can't point out what part of the anatomy is wrong. If anything, it goes to show that either you're incapable of actually figure out what you mean when you use such general terminology, or alternatively, you're a twat.
>"Jojo is a bad manga" >"Why?" >"Why do I need to explain? Projecting much?
Kayden Jones
Redline it then. Looks good to me.
John Cooper
>("your feet should be a bit more proportinal and less shaded" as opposed to "your anatomy and structure is all wrong") >both of those have merit as they have to do with construction. >doesn't realize talking to separate user
defensive and projecting
Elijah Myers
Not sure what am I projecting, or what you mean by structure, or why is it so hard being concise abd to the point. Care to enlighten me?
Alexander Robinson
I think the only discouraging thing for me anyways is trying to draw a scene only to realize "oh damn I don't know how to draw this" but in a way it's encouraging at the same time. Like in order for it to look good I gotta draw more. I guess in that sense my comic is just for me to practice my drawing skills
look at reference see how other artists have done it (of course, don't straight up copy) but really workout those analytical skills as an artist to see how you can do something like what you see don't take short cuts for things you don't know how to do
I'm not the op, but here's some stuff I noticed. You drew the man's shoulders too wide, to the point where the shoulder and chest seem disconnected. I find it helps to remember that the deltoid and pectoral are stuck together, kind of lick puzzle pieces, and are both attached to the clavicle. I think you understand the basic forms of a lot of the body and muscles, but you miss a lot of the nuance. One example of which is in that man's calves. Head-on, the calf has a certain rhythm, the outer line of the calf is rounder, and has a higher peak than the inner calf, whereas you drew it looking more or less symmetrical. I think the woman's anatomy looks nicer overall. However, her lower arm is disproportionately long. There are a whole slew of structural issues with the feet, the one closer to the camera is out of perspective. With the angle the leg is at, the sole should be facing the viewer, rather than the foot appearing in profile. The biggest issue with the feet is that they just don't resemble the actual 3-d forms of feet well. I think this video summarizes how to correct them the best: youtube.com/watch?v=05fn1DlFRtY
Doublepost because I just noticed this, but you have some extra proportional issues. The guy's arms are very long, his fingertips look as if they're reach his knees, while for more realistic proportions you usually want the fingertips to reach mid-thigh.
Joseph Phillips
Who are you? :0
Aiden Wilson
i'm not even the user that was giving the original comment on structure... but fine have a redline. shoulders, ribs, and hips are all turning at odd/broken angles away from the supporting bones/muscle groups. did a basic quick fix ink of what can look like with fixes and tried to mimic style a bit but too tired
need to learn for anatomy: hips, ribs, shoulders, rule of thirds and range of movement
Hopefully the op of the pic will realize that someone saying "work on structure" or other general stuff still means something and often time means the one saying it doesn't exactly know whats off when someone who has experience can tell what needs to be fixed instead
Jaxson Turner
draw more hypno porn
Owen Hughes
Fisher. I’m working on something myself but had to take a break because I wasn’t getting any sleep
Joshua Roberts
great stuff there, all cuties
Grayson Hall
The discord misses you Fisher! But yeah, take care of yourself
Kevin Bell
So i'm reading drawabox lessons and he says you should learn to draw from your shoulder. Is this really necessary? I don't have 15 inch drawing tablet to go all out.
Gavin Parker
it's not a must, it's just a way/trick to help people to keep from hyper-focusing/applying too much pressure on perfecting one line to the detriment of the whole picture... it's more helpful in traditional mediums versus digital imho and I do both
Dominic Young
This is more than acceptable! Good job!
Thomas Foster
A what?
Adam Cooper
A while back someone mentioned a site that makes custom fonts.
Does anyone know what that site is?
I tried some blambot fonts, but they just don't fell right.
>Every girl has long hair >no one's fat >no trannies Sis, you were on a good way with making them black, but you didn't score that many tumblr points after all.
Brody Reyes
i like the sky
Hudson James
>www.calligraphr.com It's got a free version, but I believe you need to create an account to actually download the fonts. I used it at one point when it was still called "myscriptfont", and it does alright. It's very limited so if you wanted extra characters you'll have to pay money or edit the font in some other software. Fontforge is free software you can download to make fonts yourself. And of I remember right, inkscape also has the ability to make fonts.
Isaac Morgan
I haven't posted in a while but I just wanted to let you know that I read the entirety of WTAOH. I really wish you tightened up the writing because with the right tone, your comic could be a lot better. I'm not goi'g to shit on you because this is n't constructive criticism. All I can say is that i think that you rebooting west tree could do wonders. Think about long form narrations, thighten up your pacing, don't rush the pages. I just want you to know that I can see potential, a'd that your behavior evolved those past years in a good way, but you need to stop rushing your pages, sit back, and take the time to think throughoutly your characters
Andrew Watson
Thanks I will check those out
Nicholas Wood
I used a green to light green gradient. And then I used this specialty brush that is free on clip studio paint.
The tricl with that brush is to start with white and paint in a continuous circle around the layer
With all the fuckups adobe's been having, I'm surprised clip studio hasn't put up a sale to attract more people.
Michael Price
They don't need to, adobe shooting themselves in the foot is all they need
Kayden Phillips
But the thing is, is that i dont want west tree to be a long form narrative and to be an episodic series.
but if it makes you feel any better i'm gonna be doing long form narratives in the middle and the end.
That and i plan on making a better intro/starting point for the 6th year anniversary.
Cooper Morales
Different user here, but I think it's honestly even worse as an episodic series. I've tried reading West Tree by jumping to random chapters and reading from there and I was completely confused. You have all these weird and off-putting characters that are difficult for readers to understand the point of, I went back and reread the comic from the beginning to just try and figure out what some of the characters deals were. It's not like a cartoon like Fairly Odd Parents or something, where even though it's weird and has fantasy elements you can easily figure out the premise and point of the show from just watching a random episode. I honestly am not sure what the premise of West Tree is even after reading 10 chapters of it, and I understood it even less when reading random misc chapters.
Aaron Watson
Yeah, i've been making it up as i've been going on since like high school i think, the beginning is a mess, it's just whatever makes me laugh, but i've gotten more of a structure down at about chapter 21 or 22. and i've been doing a basic outline of the story since then.
And i'm highly against redoing west tree, it's just some thing that i think would be a complete waste of time.
Ryder Long
God I want to be part of your world so badly.
Blake Barnes
Really, every few chapters feels like a reboot anyway, so there's both no point in worrying about it. Like people said, it's not something you can make sense of by going back and reading it all (which I've also done), it's just... clearly a comic that someone's been working on for years and changed their mind a lot, gaining new influences, changing gears, it's just a big experiment and we get to read the logs.
I like the old boots and belt better, but everything else is a great improvement. I bet you're going to wish you kept the fewer-stripes after drawing them a few dozen times though.
Angel Robinson
Thanks man! I was thinking the same thing with the stripes as well once I realized I put way less in the original lol I might change it if it gets too tedious.
I liked the old belt as well, but I had a hard time imagining how it looked without the cloak.
Asher Perry
Do you guys think good writing would be able to counteract poor drawing skills, or do you feel that niche is already filled? I can think of a few comics with poor art, but I feel it’s usually less of an issue due to the nature of them. Xkcd is the first thing I can think of.
Wyatt Edwards
Tails gets trolled. Honestly you need a really great hook to start reading comic with bad art.
Julian Torres
About to put out the Overfiend Comics Sonic book on digital, hope people will enjoy it
That's what I meant Oh I didn't realize it wasn't from a discord thing. That means I could have been involved.
Luke Lopez
Rate my character?
My idea is that he lives on the back of a sea turtle which is a reincarnation of his father, he travels the sea looking for a legendary sea witch in hopes of bringing his father back to a human body
Its supposed to be a cute web comic filled with small animated scenes filled with feels
That's the cutest thing I've ever seen or heard. This needs to become a tv cartoon right away. I would like to see his hair a bit more 'surfer' and a bit less '50s housewife' though.
Evan White
what is something you wish you knew/did when you started your webcomic, Yea Forums?
Probably that it wouldn't be a one-shot as I intended at first and that people would like the art but the concept would be too out there for the general liking.
Also, I'm fishing for some advice: Are weekly but shorter updates better, so that my audience can grow, or it doesn't matter and I should just publish aprox. 20 pages per issue on a monthly basis like a regular western comic?
The comic in question is
Dominic Lopez
TGT's art isn't actually bad, the construction is crude but the composition and action are clear as fuck
Ian Hill
Issue one's cover should look all Noir like. Heavy black and white contrast with Penti Cop on the cover. 2's should be like a flyer for the ball game. 3' should be like a Mars Attacks/Independence Day thing with someone using gaydar to detect the aliens. 4's could be like the cover is ripped in half as Retcon Ray fires his retcon gun.
Charles Gonzalez
Marie Ref sheet for my PREVIOUSLY unnamed comic project! I found the title for my comic: TITAN BOUT!
I've written the whole plot, I just now need to do the scripts before starting drawing. I'd like to get better at inking before doing anything. I'd really like to get to a level that makes the reader be like: "this is the cowboy bebop of webcomics!" So yeah, I still need to get better at art. I've started seriously getting into colors last week and i think i'm bearing my first results here.
Should I call myself titanbout user? I'll miss gloryhol user as a name
Also i hope her tits aren't too big this time lol my friends complained about the fact her tits were too big for such a muscular frame
Dewd, the thing is in an episodic series, either you go back to the status quo or you dont, that's why i was like "reboot it". The problem is that the character devellopement is sometimes very bad for instance, Annabeth changed radically (the eye color thing) like 3 times? Making him basically a different character each time. You've grown up since high school and maybe matured. That's why i'm like "reboot it". I think with some clever writing and well thought stuff you could get on a "it hurts!!" level of fun. re-read it hurts!! i think to see what gob's doing right that you're doing wrong. You got the same vibes, but not the same treatment for a reason.
just don't sexualize your characters tho, like, your art style doesn't lend well with that.
good coloring you need to just give us a name that means you, regardless of what you're making. Like Frenchy LaRue. Those tits are not only reasonable, they're realistically flattened in that top.
Jonathan Thompson
He may not have good visuals for sexual stuff, but he's good at writing it. That nice mix of innocent and classically filthy, it feels like reading an old MAD Magazine.
Angel Collins
like I really only sexualize characters so much because it's really fun and easy to write sex joke, not to mention it's just plain fun to draw.
Also someone has to be liking it because i've gotten 5 lewd draw requests on my super secret lewd tumblr.
And episodic doesn't mean status quo, do you see Venture Bros going the way it once was? no, they have events that change the characters lives up, but they still do something different every episode.
Asher Russell
I wouldn't call VB very episodic though. There is such a thing as suffering under your own continuity, but I feel like you've gotten to the point that it's just nothing at this point, I wouldn't worry. Anyone reading it is going to pick up on that. The only thing is it makes reading the old pages sort of a waste since it won't help you in any way. if anything it's a distraction having that past knowledge. (And that's not even touching on aborted plotlines and characters like Annabeth's sister.)
Dominic Russell
>That nice mix of innocent and classically filthy, it feels like reading an old MAD Magazine. It just feels wierd and out of place. The visuals are a massive turn-off, and the writing seems more like the author's own fetishes and fantasies being shoved in rather than something actually amusing. I love comics that can get a little lewd, whether it be for laughs, character development, or just titillation, but the stuff in West Tree just makes my eyes glaze over.
Parker Fisher
Yeah, you have a point about that, which is why i'm basically gonna be askin' readers to move to a certian page when the 6th year anniversary comes around, unless they're hard core or something.
>Annabeth's sister.
Hah, that's pretty much lost media at this point, she was never even mentioned in the comic ever.
Well, i think that might just be a you thing user.
Benjamin Bailey
This
Now we know why coldfusion likes dewd
Landon Cruz
I suppose it's not for everyone, but nothing is sexy to me if it is for everyone. And I'm used to anything the tiniest bit NSFW being described the way you describe this I'm not exactly turned on by the comic, but I'm waiting for him to get better at art, because I sure as heck will be then.
David Turner
>I'm waiting for him to get better at art user, I...
Jaxon Morgan
I'm waiting.. for him to get better.. at ART. okay? It's going to happen, and it's going to be hot. You think Van Gogh came outta the pussy drawing Mozart?
Jeremiah Baker
I don't know this is well, but my fandom had 230+ viewers yesterday, and we just moved to a new Wiki. Is this a sign that I should keep going? Please, I need advice
All fake perspective, I didn't do vanishing points so it's probably extremely wonk. In my defense it's partly for the sake of composition and having to work in portrait mode for a landscape.
Cameron Carter
If that is a problem it's not the one I'm close to detecting it's something about how mushy the shapes are
Hudson Torres
The mushy shapes are what I'm working on primarily, part of it is that I got a bunch of new Krita brushes and am still familiarizing myself with them. That, and I tend to zoom in and out inconsistently so the size of my brush strokes is probably very inconsistent. But I'm a lineart kind of person, not a painting kind of person, so it's a whole different mode for my brain eyes to work in.
Zachary Phillips
Yeah I have that same problem, it's so weird moving from lineart to painting It can help if you start out with solid shapes
Sebastian Adams
Is it wrong to give up on drawing a comic?
Carson Kelly
its wrong to give up on your dreams user
Charles Gomez
my dream was to be an animator, which I gave up
Justin Parker
It would probably be best to try and just write a quick ending rather than just up and quit.
James Morales
IKTFB drawing is so hard and drawing quality comic art is so time consuming
I don't really see the point in drawing or writing if I can't improve
Ryder Wright
As long as you can hold a pen you can improve your art. If what you're doing isn't working, try something new. Human beings are wired for problem solving.
adorable. This simplified cartoon style will work just fine, but there are a few little things you can do to improve your catnatomy. Mainly the shape of the hind legs. Most of the time they should be pretty much shaped like a question mark when at rest, and if one foot is stretched out instead, it should reach all the way to the face.
Andrew Williams
Have a shit pep talk courtesy of my ass: Life is suffering and struggle, the only true free will available is deciding your purpose in this world. That is, you decide what your goal in life is and what amount of effort you wish to invest in it. If you make it your purpose in life to be a victim, you will be a victim. A hard worker? You will be a hard worker. Make a product or reach a goal? The same will happen unless you've decided to change your purpose before reaching its conclusion. It's when you are impatient and unwilling to suffer or struggle for a purpose that is when the change happens. This is why a quitter will have the purpose of being a quitter and a crazy person like Chrischan will still be a creator. Failure is part of learning, suffering, and struggle. Perfectionism is the enemy of progress but the ally of self-improvement and purpose.
Age is a terrible measuring stick of success and deciding life purpose. It should only be taken in to account when it comes to planning, physical health, and time management.
Dominic Flores
no update this week and probably not next week, too busy with finals but pls keep checking out continental breakfast my dudes thanks
Nathaniel Rodriguez
Age is meaningless as long as you got a (mostly) healthy mind and body. Stop putting up artificial hurdles for yourself.
Nolan Jenkins
So i had to take a break from doing line work on my pages. My actual comic looks so much shittier than my random drawings. I think its because the roughs im using are from before i changed my style. I am trying to compensate, but i should probably start from scratch. (Though i kinda want to do the 'progressively gets better over time' thing)
Anyway, I drew some more plot relevant kaijus. Check out these green bois. The most important one is Thought Bubble. He is sort of the impetus for the entire plot line and has a role in Tad's origin and the origin of the main villain of the story.
At least you have really good writing. that's going to take you far.
James Sullivan
If it makes you feel any better. I just started drawing seriously at 27. I am absolute shit at it, but it's fun and has helped get me out of depression. Everyday i hope to get a little less shit, and so far, at least to me, it feels like i am succeeding at that. So just do it mate. Its not like you can get any worse from trying.
Oliver Bell
>The same will happen unless you've decided to change your purpose before reaching its conclusion. It's when you are impatient and unwilling to suffer or struggle for a purpose that is when the change happens Can you elaborate on this
Aiden Powell
Thank you. Im hoping my comic can survive on my writing, because it sure as hell isnt going to do so on my art.
Wyatt Hughes
When you decide that the effort and struggle is too much to reach your decided purpose. You've basically changed what your purpose is.
example: I'm going to make a good comic. This is too hard and things are turning out how I want. Rather that work through the struggle you give up. You're new purpose is giving up or a different project/goal you've decided to work on. You have changed your purpose before the completion of your prior choosen purpose.
I wish I could design something this cool so effortlessly
Nicholas Adams
>effortlessly
I wish, I've been tweaking this design for months, and I'm STILL not sure if it works, at least on the colors side of things.
Glad you like, though, means a lot! Trying to create a pirate crew, going for a biker-esque look for them. Here's another member of the crew, Auntie Anchor.
the jeans are throwing you off I think. they're so lightly purple when they should be pure denim blue to almost cyan
Kevin Adams
We need more pirate comics
Oliver Ross
Are these your main characters or just side characters?
Christian Reed
They're meant to be the main, reoccurring villains. Here's my main characters, Urchin and Snoots. Urchin used to be part of their crew till she was booted off. I think of her as Pippi Longstocking mixed with Tank Girl.
Nah. If you want inspiration, turn your electronic information devices off and go outdoors. After a couple of hours with no displays and no music your brain will start to look for entertainment. One of the MST3K guys started his career by taking the most boring job he could come up with. And his brain would immediately look for funny things to save itself. After a workday he had plenty of jokes for his stand up comedy show.
Pot will just give your brain what it thinks it needs and numb it.
Kevin Howard
I'd go big shoulders, but not so big hair. Doing both just feels crowded and the shoulderpads do more good for the overall silhouette. The little bones and gold rings are great though.
Jacob Nguyen
Don't think there's a single art style in these threads that appeals to me more than yours.
Nolan Perez
Does everyone use Webtoon to put out their comic? or something gay like Instagram?
Only Tapas, webtoon, and social media is worth it.
Dominic Nguyen
>social media I hate using facebook and twitter, am I doomed to the unknown unseeable abyss forever?
Jackson Brooks
Facebook isn't really good for much of anything either way, unless you make a facebook page for your comic, which it seems like few people really do.
Twitter isn't bad for just sending out quick notes to your followers and readers to keep them up to date on things.
Art and comics have always been about connections and ties to other people, and social media is a useful tool for doing that. Otherwise, you're just uploading pages to a site which people likely aren't going to see if you're not promoting it anywhere.
Dominic Rivera
Make sure you have friends who will make memes of your humble comic, people. It will get you through the hard times.
>If you want inspiration, turn your electronic information devices off and go outdoors. After a couple of hours with no displays and no music your brain will start to look for entertainment. Can confirm this. I repair atm machines and usually move around the city by walking or public transport. I don't have a smartphone so i usually do exactly what you are talking about. Really i had no intentions doing a comic or even drawing, but now i'm kinda inspired.
Nathan Sullivan
>what went right An acquaintance of mine took a liking to the comic, and passed it on to his old colleague, Fred Patten. >what went wrong Fred Patten died before returning with a verdict. tapas.io/episode/1416282
Ryan Morris
>people being bored forces your brain to entertain you, but working kills your motivation and energy. Better to train your brain to keep the inspiration flowing
technically a self-defeating mockery, since photoshop was a better choice in the past
Eli Campbell
No problem man, I LOVE cartoon art styles like this. That background art is lovely. And don't worry about the comic moving slow, the fact that you're making a comic at all is the important part. Should probably get on that train myself sometime soon.
Adrian Roberts
>Implying we'll even get a comic before Dustin gets a cartoon deal at Nickelodeon
Dominic Lee
>implying nickelodeon will ever greenlight anything good again
If you have to ask, the answer is "played out enough".
Really you have to decide how important being 'original' is to you. If you make something without the goal being to be a special, unique little premise, you can start to tell the real stories that only you can tell.
Tyler Wilson
Are you the HornyKamalabro?
Camden White
>If you have to ask, the answer is "played out enough".
That's a good point. I suppose the premise isn't too unique on its own. The story had its own little quirks and I think the characters are pretty interesting. I think it'd just be a fun story to write.
Aaron Roberts
Then you should go for it. Don't worry so much.
Kevin Davis
Why bother anymore?
Eli Edwards
I'm getting the new thread set up right now.
Bringing this up again: do you think it's time to take off capeworld's podcast from the list? Episode 7 was posted on September 25th, 7 months ago at this point and I don't recall it being discussed much in these threads for quite some time.
Noah Rivera
Okay, well. I have a new tied for favorite character... Gonna need to see her in color, and then fanart's coming your way.
Jack Murphy
Last time this was brought up, they had said they were doing new ones soon but since they didn't.. yeah, I guess we'd better take it out. Make more podcasts, guys.
anyone else who works traditional having issues with ink because of the humidity? my ink is bleeding more than usual, it's really annoying. Also, new page
If they start making podcasts again I see no issue adding the link again, but right now 7 months and no new episode makes me think it's dead (at least for now).
One of the many reasons I stick to digital now. Too many summers with 90-100% humidity ruins both mood and paper. You can try and keep your paper stored in airtight containers, and only take out what you need when you need it as a temporary solution.
