Why aren't the MCU "heroes" actually Superheroes...

Why aren't the MCU "heroes" actually Superheroes? Every single conflict they've engaged in is either directly or indirectly caused by themselves and they never save civilians except in full blown 100+ Million in danger events. They have no interest in protecting their communities, there is almost no altruism in their actions.
There has been a single scene of an MCU character stopping street crime.
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>There has been a single scene of an MCU character stopping street crime
Spider man
Hawkeye

Marvel characters are just shit like that but then again normal people in Marvel universes are shit too so fuck'em

Oh didn't see endgame, sorry, I just had to look it up. The single scene I was referring to was Spider-Man. Still Hawkeye only starts stopping street crime as an attempted suicide after his family is killed, edgy as fuck and not altruistic.

Spider-Man is a bully that continually berates his opponents all the while beating them senseless only to leave them hanging upside down from a lamppost.

Seething tommy

Loser fan boy

>t. J Jonah Jameson
Let me guess. you wish Daddy Superman was the successful star of DC’s Endgame and bring everyone together by hope?

Yeah, well maybe don’t try to rob people or corner women to rape them and Spider-man won’t do that to you.

I thought that was Brie Larson.

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>implying it isn't true
When you take out the insults and chastising meant to be seen as light-heartedness, Spider-Man almost comes off as a villain.
Both still makes him a bully, rarely does he even seek the betterment of the people he apprehends.

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man spending his afterschool time helping people and slinging around.

Katy's tits are real, Brie looks like she's about to fall over with those bolt ons.

People create the things they dread

omg Captain Marvel looks like THAT!?

In terms of not causing the problem, there's Captain America, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange.

This sounds like either bait or like and MCU-only baby.

The problem is modern writters. A lot of old Marvel characters actually were heroic and some were indeed SUPERheroic. Spider-man was a great example of someone trying to be super-heroic only to be stiffled because his humanity didn't allow him to be a super-altruistic paragon while Cap was that with or without the muscle drugs.

Katty Perry looking like that and with her tits like that is making my pecker feel funny.

You basically just summed up why I think a lot of modern writers suck at writing superheroes.

he prevents crime. he sees an attempted crime and stops it.

They made the mistake of taking inspiration from Ultimate Marvel and modern, port-ultimate Marvel.

He did specifically say MCU, though.

You just described the Fantastic Four movies, actually.

>There has been a single scene of an MCU character stopping street crime.
thats what the cops are for,retard. SUPER heros stop SUPER crime

There haven't been a lot of super-bank robbery scenes or the like, either. Which would be perfect if they wanted to cameo small time crooks, instead of wasting time on EVERY villain having a whiny origin story.

>...rarely does he even seek the betterment of the people he apprehends.
What superhero does this?
Heroes have pretty much always been punitive forces.

They should be glad Stardust the Space Wizard didn't get to them first.

Those tiny things on Brie are bolt-ons? If you're gonna buy tits, go for the deluxe model.

Related discussion to unrelated pic: Katy Perry missed her window to dump her tits out for money. They're not in their prime anymore, deflated a bit.

I think she's got plenty of money already.

Kys tommy

Katy Perry for captain marvel

oh look, Tommy moved to the movies.

In the words of Batman, heroes don't fight crime they fight criminals

Lol you mad loser

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Literally said MCU in the OP you illiterate retard.

Kill yourself movienigger

I mean lets be real here. basically every MCU film before Civil War gores on the assumption that these characters aren't really superheroes yet. At least not as we understand them to be. Phase one is literally tony stark accepting that he is a superhero. Phase 2 is the world undertsanding that these sort of things exist but they still wont call them heroes. Phase 3 is when people like spiderman daredevil and the rest dstart happening. actual ful fledged 100% aware of it superheores. actual peoiple watching out for the commu nity they live in not just worker bees protecting the greater good.

>Tony is an arms manufacturer who turned into a hired gun for the government later on.
>Steve is just this world equivelent to any historical military figure.
>Widow and Hawkeye are just government workers, up until ccivl war no one knew or cared about them.
>Banner was basically just a myth until New York, and even then no one knows who or what he is.

these were all conscious descisions. This was literally the whole point of Civil War guys. We just got to the point where the world of the MCU literally cannot mirror our own anymore. events happened that have now cemented the MCU as a world no longer like our own. It is now LITERALLY a world of superheores, not just one thats trying to slowly become one.

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Okay, but you could have at least gotten a shot of her from Bon Appétit

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I miss long hair Katy Perry

You can say exactly the same about Batman, a martial artist who can't neutralize criminals without breaking theirs bones.

There have been multiple stories where the writers put Batman as an unhinged traumatized man whose only difference from the villains he faces is that he fights for the law.
Spider-Man doesn't have that.

I wanna fuck katy perry's tits

Same but after marriage.

>Every single conflict they've engaged in is either directly or indirectly caused by themselves and they never save civilians except in full blown 100+ Million in danger events.
But both of those are already clearly wrong. None of them were responsible for Thanos' shit, and if you think there are 100+ million people in podunk Eastern European countries like Sokovia you're completely retarded, not to mention the numerous times they've just saved individuals.
Your other points are baseless opinions.
This is some shitty bait and I feel bad for biting it.

>stopping crime is edgy as fuck and not altruistic
The mental gymnastics.

How the fuck did they cause Galactus and the SS?

He did it for selfish purposes, that's the definition of not altruistic.

Shoo shoo longmong

>an MCU character stopping street crime.
that's the job of the police. Superheroes are there to stop superthreats

It's been a philosophical conondrum for centuries whether any action can be truly altruistic. Either way you do good for others you're a good guy, even if you're going for "suicide by thugs", it's way more altruistic than any other form of suicide.

>marrying katy perry
that didn't turn out well for the last guy

You didn't pay attention then.

>He did it for selfish purposes
I'm assuming you haven't seen Civil War but he literally goes on the whole "Great Power" spiel to Iron Man, which is what convinces Tony to recruit him in the first place

>stopping street crime as an attempted suicide
The same as Batman, then?

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>> Every single conflict they've engaged in is either directly or indirectly caused by themselves

Well, that's basically Tony's story from start to finish. The dude is great at fucking up.

I'm talking about Hawkeye mate

Thor's unwillingness to just kill Loki and his inability to protect asgard and secure the reality and mind gems are a huge reason why Thanos is able to succeed. Ultron's country drop was going to kill everyone on earth you fucking retard, you can't even follow a children's film. That was also 2/~20 movies, even if you were correct. I hope marvel pays you for this shit faggot

If not for Captain America, the Red Skull would have conquered earth using the Tesseract in the 1940s. If it wasn’t for Star-Lord in GotG 1, Thanos would have gotten the Power Stone in 2014. Without Thor, when Odin died Hela would have conquered Asgard and spread her campaign of death and conquest throughout the galaxy. You can’t fault heroes for enabling the villain to succeed unless you also acknowledge all the ways they

- prevented something worse.

Again, all of those are the 100+ million disasters I'm talking about dipshit, I acknowledged it in my OP. These sorts of issues implicitly effect the hero's life directly and overwhelmingly, it's difficult to make a claim they did it exclusively altruistically when they pretty much never help anyone else with their great abilities. Obviously Spidey is implied to be doing more.

Did Reddit ban you again, Tommy?

>They have no interest in protecting their communities, there is almost no altruism in their actions.
That was like the entire point of Homecoming.

The first thing Tony does with the suit in Iron Man 1 is go punch people in the Middle East and it's implied that he keeps up that kind of activity throughout his movies.

Cap doesn't get involved with "street" crime because he's busy getting the Tesseract back, working for SHIELD, fighting HYDRA or otherwise stopping international crime on the occasions when he ISN'T saving the world. The dude's last memory before the ice is his final battle over the Tesseract with Red Skull and the first thing he's put to do after being thawed from the ice is getting the Tesseract back, he never caught a break

Banner doesn't originally consider himself a superhero and before joining the team he just chills in jobs he's hideously overqualified for in third world countries

Hawkeye and Black Widow are assasins/spec ops and spend all of their time working or with their family/on the run from international authorities respectively

Pretty much everyone that joins after the original members pretty much is brought out of retirement to join the team, didn't EXIST before the team, or has a origin story tied to another of the team's members. As seen when they fight crossbones they do fight less extreme threats between movies, it's just off screen. Still, Spider-Man DOES do street level stuff, Ant-Man is more a superpowered thief than a superhero, and Black Panther explicitly fights African organized crime as shown at the beginning of his movie. Strange is too busy ensuring interdimensional monsters don't eat reality to fight crime

Not even a little

Lol pic related is purely revenge.
Cap is a government stooge, in character but he did also stop street crime in a bunch of different runs while also doing that shit.
Hulk is fine, agreed.

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Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies do a really good at job with this. He stops constantly to fight crime and when he fights Doc Ock for the first time its a bank robbery.

Because reasons

>Every single conflict they've engaged in is either directly or indirectly caused by themselves
Damn OP, where are you going with those goalposts?

Go jerk off to Shocker porn, Max.

Who?

Max Landis. Wrote a Shocker fanfic which has Shocker whining about Spidey being a bully.

Why you faggots cry none of them have a savior's complex?

These are real people with lives and shit to do. Only a child thinks he can save the world.

>Landis
Never read the fanfic but his opinion lines up with mine in that case.

Meh, I partially disagree with that interpretation. It can’t be denied that Peter mocks and plays around with opponents far below his weight class but the main point against it is that Peter also goes easy on them and the villains more often than not are committing crimes and/or terrorizing people so it’s not nearly as bad as people want to make it out to be.

Yeah, I remembered that while I wrote it. Shame the MCU didn't take a cue from those.

All superhero movies can take a cue from the Raimi Spider-Man films, they're the gold standard of capeshit.
Only Shazam, Into the Spider-Verse and maybe Wonder Woman have come close.

>Look buddy if you didn't want your family vanished maybe you shouldn't have questioned Glorious Leader Kim's taste in salad dressing

That right there is what turned me off the MCU, and is a problem that has plagued modern Marvel.

It's funny cos I remember when Age of Ultron came out there was a ton of talk here about how it actually showed them saving people, unlike (whatever DC movie had most recently come out)

They should have saved me from seeing AoU

lol

That they did, I liked how Cap was more in character and actually leading than in Avengers 1, too.

There's been some good ones in the MCU, specially early ones. I excuse a lot since they're origin movies and stuff.

Unfortunately Shazam and Wonder Woman still seemed to have a touch of Snyder.

>stopping street crime as a superhero

To put it simply, it's an outdated idea- a relic of past ages of comics, like secret identities. You'll notice that the MCU doesn't do those either, with Spider-Man being the sole exception, and even his is on the way out with every other major MCU character knowing who he is.

Totally agree. At least the comics are better about it. Just finished the 2014 Ms. Marvel run and she was literally saving cats and passers by.

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Thank christ you're here on Yea Forums instead of fucking up a company

My boner obscured words user.

so now that [sploier]he's dead[/spoiler], MCU can thrive as utopia with no threats on the horizon

I wanna put my boner in Katy too, so I can sympathize.

>You'll notice that the MCU doesn't do those either
One of the problems with it. Secret identity shenanigans would be a far better use of the time they waste on villain sob stories.

Depends on the scale and focus of the heroes.
In some ways, it's kind akin to things like "what does the government do to keep society safe?"

obviously not a direct analogy or necessarily direct examples, but there are different tiers fo involvement and focus. There may be more there may be more.

4 tier example of helping solve problems:
-doctors help stop individuals from dying from microbes and accidents
-police stop crime on the street level from injustices caused by other people
-militaries stop interventions from other nations
-civil engineers help build utilities that tap into natural resources safely

Heroes have their own focus, and each may focus on different things than other heroes.

As far as MCU, it's kind of the explanation as to why the Avengers and Defenders never meet, despite being headquartered in the same city, or why SHIELD has so many different branches such that the Secret Warriors never meet up.

That's always been the case.
DC is about first responders in tights
Marvel is about the romance/drama comics Lee and Kirby wrote in the 50s...in tights

get in line, there's 2 bln males before you

but Marvel as we know is from the 60s

Secret identities are dumb as shit

Peter was a bully in high school and got over it in college.

Of all the enemies they fought:
>Iron Monger
>Abomination
>Whiplash
>Laufey
>Red Skull
>Loki
>Destroyer
>"Mandarin"
>Batroc
>Winter Soldier
>Zola
>Malekith
>Ronan
>Crossbones
>Ego
>Ultron
>Baron Zemo
>Yellow Jacket
>Kaecilius
>Dormamu
>Ghost
>Vulture
>Kilmonger
>Yon Rogg
>Minerva
>Korath
>Thanos
Do you really think all of them were caused by the heroes?

>Iron Monger
>Abomination
>Whiplash (I'm counting Howard)
>Loki
>Destroyer was controlled by Loki so duh
>Mandarin
>Ultron
>Zemo
>Yellow Jacket (could be wrong, don't really remember, only saw Ant Man once)
>Ghost
>Vulture
>Killmonger
12/34
So about 1/3rd were, that's not great.

I’s remove Yellowjacket, dude never even met Scott before, only issue was that Hank didn’t praise him. Dude was willing to sell to Hydra

>Every single conflict they've engaged in is either directly or indirectly caused by themselves
Thanos