Why do super women like having revealing outfits?

Why do super women like having revealing outfits?

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they don't "like" anything. they're not real.

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Because they're usually designed by men. They're fictional, so they look and act like whatever the creator wants. Is that really so difficult to understand you needed to make a whole thread?

Women like feeling sexy if they can get away with it.

Same reason skimpy girl characters can help you get an edge in fighting games. A distracted and aroused opponent is an easy opponent.

Why do real women like having revealing outfits? Were they designed by men too?

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they're fictional characters. they like what they are written to like

Humans like sex. More news at 11.

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well yeah. most fashion designers are men, especially in hollywood

They can afford it, unlike regular women. Not that many guys dare to try and force themselves on superpowered girl

>they were totally FORCED to wear this!

But those male designers prefer to have sex with other males

Where the fuck are her areolas?

I can think of someone into it.

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Because it makes my penis hard

girls hate superheroine designs. it's degrading objectification

Because Fan Service.

>yfw No Superpowered GF with a Leotard.

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>Because they're usually designed by men
Ugly landwhale sighted

Who cares what you think? YOU ARE NOT MY FATHER

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Who cares what they think?

Because they make my peepee feel good, and more than that, I spend money on or watch/read whatever they are in because I like the female form. When you go full bodysuit and take away the sexy element I might as well just go watch Batman or Spiderman movie.

Sex sells. It's as simple as that. People with agendas are just managing to convince corperations that there are untapped audiences of billions of prudes that don't really exist. Or the powers that be are subsidising them to push an agenda. Maybe both.

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>why do horny fanboys like super women to have revealing outfits
Here's the question you should actually be asking.

Gay men

how about permavirgins find a more productive outlet than leering over negative representations of women and push for a more inclusive fan community?

oh, that's right. because you're fucking retards. how about think with something other than your dick?

Trying too hard.

Shit, here we go again.

I work in a charity shop in most of my spare time, I do woodwork and actively have a hobby in cycling and hiking.

Sometimes I just want to see aesthetically pleasing women beating up bad guys.

You want more incusion? Try not being such a rancid sour cunt

If this is serious fuck off. People like sex, stop trying to ruin other people's good time.

There are people who actually think this way

You know athletes wear tight clothes for performance reasons.

And Ballet Dancers use Leotards too.

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Save the day and look hot as fuck doing it. If you've got it, flaunt it.

People with good looking bodies like to wear revealing outfits, both men and women.

for the same reason that male characters wear spandex that emphasize muscles, because anatomy is thing, men and women are different

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I think there is a difference between "particle" and "over the top". I mean I still like skimpy outfit such as Power Girl's, but things like are just too...... too laughable, I say.

>girls hate superheroine designs
>it's degrading objectification

So much bullshit packed into two sentences. Have you even talked to a girl before?

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Because unless you want armor, the less clothes you have to impede your movement the better. There's a reason Greek Olympians and Celts worked naked. That's even the meaning of gymnasium. "Naked School"

Humans like seeing nekkid humans.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with me mum. She was annoyed all the typical female job's like hairstylist, fashion designers and makeup artists and so on, were taken over by men, homo men specifically. Why must men force their way into female hobbies? It was a weird conversation.

they wear spandex because comic artists are hacks that can only draw one body type

this is the future you have chosen...

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>most fashion designers are homos
ftfy

>married men never fuck other woman and look at sexy shit
>rich guys who are fucking several 11/10s a night don't surround their pools with barely legal sluts

Oh, I agree with you here desu.

its a trend you see in pretty much every industry. anything thats seen as not worthy of respect gets pushed on women while anything that is seen as worthy of respect has the men push the women out of it. and if too many women get into something it gets dismissed as no longer worthy of respect.

celts worked naked because if you get coarse fibers in a wound its a bitch and a half to clean and will probably get infected, and in the days before penicillin that was a death sentence

That and the sight of a naked blue Irishman screaming gibberish as he charges at you must have been intimidating

I go to a really expensive salon and like only 2/9 people there are men.

The Celts would paint their naked bodies with woad, which is poisonous and irritating. I don't think they were worried about getting infected user

Thats too much male diversity for most women.

Their not women, their whores.

Who's?

Ok pajeet

the woad was to trigger an adrenaline rush and numb them to fear

It makes sense that most female villains would be your typical instagram slut that developed power instead of children

>this is bait
But fuck it, I'm taking it.

Imagine being this fragile that a 2D drawing is a legit threath and intimidating your femininity, beliving in anyway this is standard set for the average real women to obtain.
Like it's not fucking real, let men drool over pin-up drawing of half naked hot chicks, jesus christ. Get a hobby.

What are some sexy female heroes with good or even half decent comics? All the recent ones seem to be SJW nonsense that's shoehorned into every other dialogue bubble to a point that it disrupts the scenes.

I'm new to comics so old stuff would be fine, too.

covers nipples
WHY

They like women more than these Marvel Disney executives.

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When you give women power to do whatever they want they usually start by dressing like tramps

Sexualized designs - men and women both - are great I love them everytime they show up whenever I read something new. I really hope the whole anti sexuality/sexualization movement stops being a thing soon but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame.

I wonder if the roasties and onions will ever get that this will never *ever* actually work? It's not possible to shame people out of being sexual beings who appreciate the human form. It's biological.

Have you seen the way women dress in parades? Women love showing off when they think they're in no danger.

Because they somehow all have the need to slut it up even in life threatening and serious situations. They don't dress like they want respect, they dress like they want to give you a boner, like they're trying to attract.

Some people are just like that and that's fine, but how is that so many female superheroes feel the same way? I don't mind there being a slutty female character looking for dudes to fuck while in costume, but even women who want to be respectful and respectable for some reason slut if up.

Huh, no wonder they love to support Islam so much. Their societies can shame sexuality out of it by force.

Nevermind that said societies consume a LOT more porn than even America does. They just say they don't even harder than the west does.

STFU,MAJESTIC IS A TOP TIER WAIFU

>tattooless amber rose
>still has an ugly face
Typical

I wonder if ironically, they openly hate Christianity because it USED to be as powerful and ruthless as Islam, but now they hate it because it's now completely de-fanged by comparison? Tl;dr They hate Christianity because they deem it "weak".

Most likely, and the irony is that even then, you just push that shit underground and end up with loopholes.

I think that is a very strong possibilty.

I'd recommend the she-hulk comic runs by dan slott and charles soule

yes, then explain why Tarot's main fanbase is women

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You know that the picture in OP is a parody, right?

Oh shit. Source?

Why do women get angry when comic and cartoon women are drawn sexy?

are you fucking blind?

its cringey

I love it. where can I check that?

Christianity is "hated" because it's the establishment force in America and much of the west. It's hard to hate on something like Islam when it has little to do with you when your own Christian culture has been oppressing you and shaping the nation. Is Islam more culturally oppressive? Yes, but with the newer and more established concepts of separation of church and state, people can have their religious freedom. The more personal pressing matters are linked to Christianity, so it will be addressed more often than Islam.

are you fucking stupid?

Tarot is pretty fucking obscure. What am I supposed to see in this anonymous anime forum that hardly talks about Tarot?

honestly if i didn't have to worry about embarrassing belly jiggles or my boobs falling out, i would dress like a ho all the time. if i had the power to tear creeps in half like tissue paper i would only feel emboldened in my endeavors

granted i don't feel "inspired" or "empowered" by outfits like these. they're just horny man drawings

Can you read?
where you read comics

do you literally have a single digit IQ?

I'm more referring to the trend of the same idiots who bash christianity for attacking the LGBT coddle to Islam despite muslims being more likely to hate the LGBT openly moreso than Christians.

Because often times they're superhero comics and, while looking good is equivalent to a "male power fantasy", there's a disparity between how men and women are depicted that more often leaves men looking more equipped for serious business and women just Stacy going to the club.

Refer back to that post: Christianity is more important to shaping the west and their ideals and standards. Christianity even made Japan more anti-LGBT. Islam is worse for LGBT, but that's not part of the western establishment.

Both men and women love sexy things.

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>how about permavirgins find a more productive outlet
Like shaming others on a Cantonese knitting forum? 2/10, got me to reply.

It's still a "out if the frying pan, into the fire" kind of thing. Look at Europe. There's no Christian Establishment anymore.

Should all incels be sterilized, or would that be redundant?

Just change the voting age to celibacy checking

Yes there is. Christian values shaped the nation and are the conservative force. People setting up mosques doesn't change that. You can go full alarmist and say "it's the beginning of the end and in 50 years there may be an Islamic establishment more relevant than the Christian establishment," but right now when people talk about gay marriage laws and how their community treats them, they are mostly relevant to Christianity.

"Sure your parents disowned you after the pray the gay away failed and your one conservative judge away from losing legal recognition of your marriage, but in an Islamic nation you'd be killed" is as coherent and relevant as "sure these SJWs are annoying with what they say a out sexy female superhero outfits, but in an Islamic nation it would be completely banned".

Right, because all those superhero costumes of men with huge muscle and showing off pecks aren't for female gaze at all.

Most guys don't look like Hawkman, but we aren't so butthurt that we bleed out of our asses if some girl thinks a big muscled topless bear is a hunk. Most capeshit heroes look like this. Why do women and "feminist men" whine when women look good?

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You make it sound like there's a bunch of super hero dudes who fight crime in revealing tank tops.

yes. and i know more about what they think than you do mouthbreather
how about YOU go talk to a girl?

Because Hawkman is a rarity, as you stated. The occasional revealing female superhero outfit wouldn't be bad if it weren't so prevalent. Even Storm had a revealing outfit at some point.

I can't think of any male costumes in capeshit that were designed by women

see
is the standard male superhero outfit. But guys never complain about it unless its obnoxiously homoerotic. Women on the other hand complain that girls look too sexy and that it's a bad thing.

Storm is a nudist, she should be wearing revealing clothes

Sure you have a few shirtless men, but they are by no means standard.

>most heroes look like this
False equivalency
A dude taking his shirt off in public isn't the same as a girl taking her shirt off in public, so you can't really say topless == topless, same same

For instance
You'd be getting a lot more pushback if heroes started looking like this
Why?
Because this is stuff you AREN'T attracted to and this isn't stuff that is made for you
You're finding ways to justify hero sexualizing as if it's natural that women will always want to dress up like that and it's the only way heroes can dress

But this was getting shit on before the comic actually came out, so regardless of how bad the writing is, objectively, Yea Forums HATES the way this looks
For similar reasons to why women HATE the way female super heroes are always dress, but much less moral

At the end of the day it's a male fantasy, so this is what men want themselves to look like, but it's not a fair representation of what women want themselves to look like

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>For similar reasons to why women HATE the way female super heroes are always dress, but much less moral
Untrue, women like Lady Death cause she is a female power fantasy

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In what ways does she differ from literally any other character?
Any other anti-hero, bimboed up femme fatale of her or any other era?

she was a woman from an oppressive family, her father never let her have a life. So when she goes to hell she takes power from her father and from satan to live life on her own terms. It's entirely about a woman taking control of her own life

If it's a male fantasy then why should women be allowed to complain about it? Why can't they mind their own business and occupy a hobby that they're the target audience for instead of hijack one? Are women just incredibly selfish or do they just hate the idea of men enjoying things?

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>False equivalency
>Both set standards that are impossible for either gender to reach, but women still manage to be insecure about it and that's the only thing that matters.

Get fucked. Indulging the neurosis of women always leads to degeneration.

Not that guy, but the idea is that comics were in the mainstream so they received mainstream critique. The big two have always been whores for marketing, so they were too happy widen their demographic appeal by trying to be more female friendly. It's the same marketing forces that kept them more exclusively marketed to straight males.

>but it's not a fair representation of what women want themselves to look like
Speak for yourself. If I had a smoken hot, flawless body, with anti gravity defying tits, I'd be flaunting that shit all the time. Too bad I don't I have the self esteem.

>Indulging the neurosis of women always leads to degeneration.
What's that based on?

So, like Elektra?

>If it's a male fantasy then why should women be allowed to complain about it?
Because it effects women in ways that it doesn't effect men
Namely, thinking women should look a specific way, which is something that entire industries have been built around

>Why can't they mind their own business and occupy a hobby that they're the target audience for instead of hijack one?
What makes you think that comics are specifically for guys?
Gatekeeping in the community is insane and you honestly can't believe that women are "hijacking" your hobby because it's more socially acceptable to be into comics

>Are women just incredibly selfish or do they just hate the idea of men enjoying things?
No, women are not incredibly selfish
I'm sure there are some incredibly selfish women, but as a whole, women and men are not specifically selfish in ways that differ greatly

>Because it effects women in ways that it doesn't effect men
>No, women are not incredibly selfish
changing something that a few women are complaining about IS selfish

>Both set standards that are impossible for either gender to reach
Like I said, saying "this dude is impossibly ripped" and "this chick is a perfect 10" aren't the same based on the context they're in
But if you do have a problem with the way men are represented in comics, in that they set a standard for which you feel you are judged against, then maybe we have the same argument

Making others feel excluded because you refuse to give up your jerk bait IS selfish

no, in this case majority rules, most women like sexy women too. It's why they like watching movies with good looking women, why they watch anime with good looking women and why ads with good looking women work on them

The "romance" novels they read. Fifty Shades of Grey is a giant rape fantasy and it unironically sold 120 million copies.

I want more overtly sexual stuff like this and OP, and not just coy "oh no trust me it's purely practical" slutty outfits with pretenses.

why don't you complain about ads that make you buy stuff then?

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I honestly never got this. Men aren't allowed to have fantasies or fun anymore? Feminists say shit like "its a male power fantasy" as if thats an argument and not just some observation.

>I make the rules so I decide what is selfish
That's not how it should work though
>It's why they like watching movies with good looking women
No they like watching movies with relatable women
Some of the most popular shows with female demographics aren't the ones with really hot girls
>why they watch anime with good looking women
Most women don't actually like anime with various moe harem protagonists
>why ads with good looking women work on them
No, that just happens because nobody is really immune to propaganda

Women do like sexy women, but they don't feel the same need to include them in everything that men do

Have sex

Which is why little girls and women just HATE Sailor Moon.

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I'm not a girl, but I noted on this in an earlier post
>Namely, thinking women should look a specific way, which is something that entire industries have been built around
the beauty industry as a whole needs to be reworked, but at the very least, those companies ARE starting to listen to their consumers

A shame that her outit got the SJW treatment in the current episode.

She's the only reason I watched the show.

Strategy. It’s hard for guys to fight with a boner

Landwhales btfo

Only because it means everyone isn't giving them the attention these characters steal. They certainly don't mind if they are hot enough to pull it off and all eyes are on them.

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He makes MCU fatty number six. They're all men for some reason.

>needs to be reworked
If the advertisement sells product, the advertisement worked. If it doesn't, then it will change. not because of feelings and social engineering, but because of profit margins. They only appear to be "listening" because they think they can strike some middle ground to draw in those left of center without straying so far that they lose the average customer. Thinking Maybelline or L'oreal or Victoria's Secret or whomever is going to leave money on the table for no other reason than to make some purple hairs hate them SLIGHTLY less is a fucking fantasy. Well, maybe L'oreal, since they're selling them the hair dye.

Oh god was that dobson all along

Girls don’t seem to see the hypocrisy of wanting male eye candy but not wanting guys to get eye candy too.

Yep.

And the picture, and his reaction and her actually being totally into it, are the perfect rebuttal to the outragefags above.

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Real women do to and would if they could get away with it. Actually, pretty much everyone would walk around near nude if they were super attractive.

>If the advertisement sells product, the advertisement worked
>not because of feelings and social engineering
no that's literally how ads work
ads don't just say "buy our product", ads are literally trying to convince the people watching the ad into buying their product through some method

>They only appear to be "listening" because they think they can strike some middle ground
Which is another issue on its own
Take the gillette ad
Sure it's a "FEMINIST VICTORY" but at the end of the day it's still an ad about selling razors
ads aren't specifically about "hey look at this person enjoying our product anymore"
Those brand twitters are ads, product placement is an ad, slowly companies are trying to just force their way into your waking thought so that when you think of a product you think of "their product"

I've had that on my harddrive for years

that's photoshopped though
Where are his legs?

Interesting how Thor, Cap, Peter, Drax, Spiderman, Black Panther, Iron Man, and even Ant Man and Strange all have shirtless scenes yet not one woman in the MCU did. What kind of message could Disney's toxic femininity be sending to our young boys?

too fat to exist in mere pixels

your typical bodice ripper is about a man proving he's worthy of having his affections returned by going through elaborate courtship, demonstrating he'll respect her wishes if she decides he's not good enough for her, proving his love is true and not just a fleeting infatuation (often having a reputation as a playboy that gives her reason to doubt his sincerity), and assorted other tropes that reinforce that the heroine is the one who wears the pants in the relationship.
spiders james, who plagiarized 500 "twilight minus twilight" fanfics per day and isn't even into BDSM herself and doesn't understand it, is an outlier and should not be counted

Girls aren't a hivemind. There's plenty who both want male eye candy and have no problem with women being eye candy too. Try talking to actual women. Though I do agree there are definitely women who are hypocrites it's not all.

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Actually there are hundreds of books where the hero is a muscular rapist. What do women mean by this?

A shirtless female isn't toxic masculinity, so for the start you don't even know what you're mad about. Die Hard 2 is very much a man movie and it opens up with s nude young hunt doing karate poses in mirror. A shirtless female is more often seen as pornographic since them titties are erogenous zones.

Girls have been proven in multiple studies to be far more tribalistic than males. Meaning they are MUCH more likely to be a hive mind.

male tits are also erogenous zones thats why they also use nipple clamps

By tribal do you mean conformist, because I've seen evidence of that.

>Christianity has been oppressing you
Fucking lol, letting the average person pretend to have opinions was a mistake

>Christian culture
Western conservativism is Christian culture.
How is that pretending to have an opinion?

I definitely like having my nipples played with during sex

Christianity is dead in the West and has no power over anyone.

So I wrote an objective fact with absolutely no positive or negative opinion behind it and it triggered one user because he thinks he's being attacked for liking revealing outfits and another because he thinks I demand more revealing outfits. You retards need to be fucking euthanised for stupidity.

Why do you give a fuck?

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I-it’s different because males like being objectified!

Because our culture is built upon Christianity but you can’t perceive that so you see only things you consider as flaws

Women actually enjoy it more, but only from Chad.

Reminds me of the whole furore over Manara's Spiderwoman cover, guy was just incredulous and bemused by the whole thing because he has tons of female fans in Europe who like his sexy comics and had never encountered American SJWs before.

Women fucking love warhammer and that has your typical sexy outfits so your argument is flawed

Only fat American girls dislike skinny, sexy girls.

Quick someone post the one where this persons art got WORSE after they attended Calarts

>Because our culture is built upon Christianity but you can’t perceive that
I'm pretty sure I implied that at least twice.

>so you see only things you consider as flaws
How is saying "Islam is worse" only considering the flaws? I enjoy western culture and it's obviously succeeded in many areas. I prefer it. I even post on Yea Forums instead of Yea Forums.

Anita Sarkeesian isn't fat.

It's truly pathetic. Imagine being so insecure you feel threatened by fictional 2D women.

Who said it's because they're threatened?

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We had the one cut scene from Guardians of the Galaxy which was going to be a fake out body horror scene with a bunch of cybernetic implants like Nebula

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Fpbp

That's what every single explanation boils down to.
>I don't like men looking at pictures of women more attractive than me
>drawings of women more attractive than me make me feel inadequate
>drawings of women in clothes men find sexy but I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing make me feel inadequate

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But who actually says that? I'm sure there's someone out there who has verbalized that, there's all sorts of opinions out there.
It usually boils down into concepts like rape culture, toxic masculinity, objectification, and social inequity.

rape culture as a concept was appropriated from what happens in male prisons.
toxnic masculinity is a blanket weasel term that means whatever someone wants it to mean.
objectification isn't bad.
social inequity is enforced by everyone, but not the responsiblity for it.

Of course they don't say that, because they know how pathetic it would make them look. But all of those arguments are excuses for the same thing, that they're weak and easily upset by trivial things. This is the real issue - They feel like society should cater to the weakest and most easily upset people, whereas the counter argument is that they should toughen the fuck up and not let these things affect them. There are plenty of women who don't give a flying fuck, and they're the ones who are actually happy and successful in life.

>ywn go down on her cabbage patch

The way the cameraman is composed while shooting all that makes him either a supreme hero gentleman waiting for the threesome request or he's ultra gay.

>Because it effects women in ways that it doesn't effect men
>Namely, thinking women should look a specific way, which is something that entire industries have been built around

You are full of shit. Every other page in a comic features manly physiques which are impossible for men to achieve or maintain, the difference is men don't bitch about it. Entire industries are built around that as well you fucking hypocrite.


>What makes you think that comics are specifically for guys?
>Gatekeeping in the community is insane and you honestly can't believe that women are "hijacking" your hobby because it's more socially acceptable to be into comics

The push for inclusion would seem to suggest that. And gatekeeping is a good thing.

>No, women are not incredibly selfish
>I'm sure there are some incredibly selfish women, but as a whole, women and men are not specifically selfish in ways that differ greatly

The fact that you feel entitled to invade and change something just because you feel insecure is incredibly selfish.

user, your dubs confirm the truth about asian women and very select tribes of asian women. Them bitches in modern society are way too tribalistic and hiveminded all thanks to social media. Anybody who remembers the simple hierarchy of the girls back in highschool in the 80s and 90s knows what I'm talking about. For men it was just the one pussyslayer chad, the normies and one or two nerds. For the girls it was a fucking society : the top bitch, the top girl, the top cheerleader, all their underlings, etc and all that shit american movies liked to parody and parrot. Not to that ludicrous extend of course but there were boundaries that were very clear. At least back then they were tribalistic but the hivemind wasn't a thing unless said girl became one of those chatterbox soccermoms that spewed mud everywhere she went and even miles apart, these people would have some sort of friendship.

Nice thighs.

Even if none of those make sense, that's like saying you can't blame a religion for what people due to the validity of religion. The concept of religion should be completely removed as a factor or suddenly Christians are just as bad as Muslims.

But that's the logic of the most insane feminists. "Men want to rape you, but they just don't want to say it".

It's Tarot, newbeton.

please stop sperging out and post more sexy superhero chicks

Fucking RIP. Killed by feminism and white knight cucks

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>Tarot is pretty fucking obscure.
To those who don't read comics, correct.

Love her, why oh why did they have to undo the body swap.

mentally deficient american retards

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psylocke was never good

>the difference is men don't bitch about it
That's because it's something men like seeing
It's not about the fact that beefy big brawny dudes exist, it's about the fact that we get to see them punch a bunch of dudes with those beefy big brawny muscles
But why don't the women have those muscles? Surely they would need to be about as ripped as the men to achieve the same effect right?
It's because the reasons for which men are wearing skin tight clothing isn't the same reasons women are wearing skin tight clothing
Calling me a hypocrite doesn't make sense in this context because I'm not actually for either beefy dudes or scantily clad women

>The push for inclusion would seem to suggest that. And gatekeeping is a good thing.
The fact that people are trying to include women proves that gatekeeping exists, not that comics are for guys but that guys have been keeping girls out of comics

>The fact that you feel entitled to invade and change something just because you feel insecure is incredibly selfish.
Gatekeeping proves that men already feel entitled to "liking comics" to the point where you're arguing that any attempt for female inclusivity is "hijacking" a hobby that is "only for males"

Also, nice reddit spacing

I know, but sometimes even the actual stuffs can be over the top for no reason. Picture related.

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lol are you delusional?

Because people decided years ago that flying would require the same type of outfit as swimming.

The Maxx got a show and it's not as obscure as Tarot.

>That's because it's something men like seeing
Nah, that's only true a little under half the time. The truth is that we deride men that complain about this kind of thing and teach men from a very early age that nobody cares when they have a problem and they're on their own. Then we blame them for not being able to express when they have a problem and call it toxic masculinity.

Agreed.

what genre of porn would this be?

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>The Maxx
I'm stumped on that one user.

wait, what? this happened? what the fuck?

Okay, sure
Let's go with that
Either way, that's something that should change, and the way heroes are represented in comics should change along with it

I can't agree that your specific definition of toxic masculinity is correct, rather the first part of your post--the
>we deride men that complain about this kind of thing and teach men from a very early age that nobody cares when they have a problem and they're on their own.
part is a better definition of toxic masculinity than the subsequent part of
>not being able to express when they have a problem
After all, you're expressing your problems with it now and I really wouldn't say that the expression of your issues is particularly toxic

bimboification, hypnosis, seduction

Dude, you aren't owed inclusion.

Look user, strong women don't let stupid trivial shit upset them. They don't complain about what other people are doing and claim it's adversely affecting them, especially not in the world of fucking fiction and fantasy. They don't feel some dumb sense of solidarity with every other person with a vagina. They get on with their lives, do what they want to do and don't let what other people are doing upset them. They are capable of enjoying sex and sexual content and are comfortable with who they are and not jealous of other women. These are the women who achieve things, and are good company.

Then there are weak women who want everything to cater to the most easily upset, fragile, useless women. They are jealous, resentful, often joyless and let everything upset them. They spend their lives whining about how unfair everything is and how men should change to make their lives easier. These women are a horrible, miserable drag to be around. You're right, I could be wrong about their reasoning, but I'm not wrong about their attitudes and it's pretty obvious which kind of woman has a better life. And before you say it yeah, this does go for men too. But most men don't feel any sense of solidarity for other men - They're mostly out for themselves. But so should women be, if they truly want to be equals.

What makes you think that you're owed exclusion?

To follow up
If you're arguing that gatekeeping is a good thing, what gives you the right to gatekeep
What makes you think that your hobby cannot be enjoyed by other people to the point where you have to prevent people from trying to join your hobby

>Either way, that's something that should change,
That's just a platitude people say.
But the second men start complaining, they're whiny incel MRAs and we gotta drink their tears.

Quality.

google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/psylocke-original-body-x-men/amp/
>While Psylocke getting her old body back might counter the cultural appropriation aspect of things for some, it does open up a new wound with regards to representation in comics. Yes, we understand the concept of representation is a touchy subject for some readers who don't necessarily like to share their toys (as if they were ever theirs to begin with), but it's something this character addresses in a wholly unique manner. Physically, Psylocke is a Japanese woman. The mind that inhabits her body, however, is not. This cultural dissonance is not easily ignored, nor should it be.
>It would be simple to see the character's return to her old body as repentance for past sins, but if this transgression is struck from the record, it's only replaced by another. The lack of diversity in comics has been a hot-button topic for several years now, and it's driven a divide among comics fans, which, honestly, seems a bit silly in the grand scheme of things. Diversity and representation matter quite a bit in fiction. Being able to associate with a character because of their cultural or ethnic background is a valuable commodity to fans. Now to be fair, the manner in which said diversity is gained can be poorly-executed or simply misguided. But with Psylocke, a reversal could prove to be just as haphazard.
imagine being so sensitive that you accuse a fictional white woman of cultural appropriation for inhabiting a Japanese woman's body

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Because the hobby needs to be preserved. Gatekeeping ensures that people who join said hobby truly enjoy it and aren't attempting to change it to suit their wants

Can I get the original without the cringetext

>>Either way, that's something that should change,
But right now we're talking about how things ARE changing rather than why things shouldn't change

If anything, feminists are trying to drink the tears of those who are trying to perpetuate the toxic masculinity that was previously defined, trying to get rid of the people who say "stop complaining, real men don't complain"

>skimpy clothing on female heroes is what gives comics good writing
try again

Gatekeeping doesn't prevent people from reading or watching the subject matter, gatekeeping is when a fanbase doesn't allow certain people to join their group. Removal of gatekeeping causes quality to suffer in order to appeal to a broader range of people and is equivalent to a mom forcing kids to play with her own kid when they don't want to.

There are already comics written by and for just about every audience imaginable. But if every comic tried to be suitable for every demographic they'd all be shit.

>If anything, feminists are trying to drink the tears of those who are trying to perpetuate the toxic masculinity that was previously defined, trying to get rid of the people who say "stop complaining, real men don't complain"
You're welcome to think this, but I've never seen it.

Nice strawman dude.

Mommy

How can you be wrong about reasoning but so sure you understand the attitude? What's the attitude?

there's a fun story where the actress who played her in days of future past or whatever really wanted to stay true to the source material and all, but the director or some fucking loser cuckold didn't wanted her to dress like that, fucking imagine being such a fucking retard loser virgin beta cuck prostate faggot

The attitude is "I'm a victim, everything must cater to me"

>What's the attitude?
Did you read the second paragraph of my post? That. I mean if you want to make a counter-claim about how these people behave (and why) I'm willing to hear it.

Being part of a fandom is what keeps people interested in continuing in the hobby
You come to Yea Forums to discuss comics, and or cartoons, for the same reason everyone else does
You're in a fandom right now trying to prove that you don't need to be in a fandom to enjoy something

>Removal of gatekeeping causes quality to suffer in order to appeal to a broader range of people
This argument alone proves that being part of a fandom is what keeps people interested in enjoying the product
If you remove gatekeeping, and the quality of subject matter changes, then obviously the enjoyment of something and the fandom are connected through the idea that the product looks at the fandom and creates comics for them

If there are women who say "I like comics, but I'd like them more if" and there are women who say "I want to like comics, but", then why are you saying "they should be able to enjoy this thing because nothing is stopping them from enjoying it"

As a summary, gatekeeping keeps people from enjoying and consuming subject matter because being a part of a fandom and enjoying something are directly linked
And even if this wasn't true, then that just means there are people who enjoy the product and want it to change to suit their needs outside of what is considered the fandom, meaning they are either already a part of the fandom whether you like it or not or they are a potential audience that creators will pay attention to

If I had a body like that I'd walk around butt fucking naked.

You literally look like pic related. You also don't read comics. Vampirella's costume was designed by a female. ACTUAL females (and not just sjw males on Yea Forums) ALWAYS pic the sexy bitches in games. Look at how females dress on Halloween. You're fucking delusional and a virgin.

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>If there are women who say "I like comics, but I'd like them more if" and there are women who say "I want to like comics, but"
This is fucking retarded because I'd bet any amount of money that the kind of comics those people would like to read already exist.

>But if every comic tried to be suitable for every demographic they'd all be shit
That's the opposite of what I think
Imagine comics being a buffet rather than a single ingredient

its where the phrase toxic masculinity comes from
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
>The concept of toxic masculinity is used in psychology and gender studies to refer to certain norms of masculine behavior in North America and Europe that are associated with harm to society and to men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence.
So this directly lines up with the notion that it's bad to tell young boys they aren't allowed to complain and that they just have to deal with it

Somehow you forgot what the topic of the thread was about
either that, or you just came in here to shitpost

>If there are women who say "I like comics, but I'd like them more if" and there are women who say "I want to like comics, but", then why are you saying "they should be able to enjoy this thing because nothing is stopping them from enjoying it"

Because it's idiotic to claim to like something if they find so much wrong with it and it's selfish to try and change it for yourself if you don't like it but others do.

>If there are women who say "I like comics, but I'd like them more if" and there are women who say "I want to like comics, but", then why are you saying "they should be able to enjoy this thing because nothing is stopping them from enjoying it"
If you need to change something to suit your tastes specifically to enjoy it then how is that fair to people that were already there with tastes that do not specifically match your own?

I don't talk about the things I enjoy on Yea Forums. Most threads on this website complain about things.

already exist how?
Because I'd argue that they exist now, but haven't existed in the past as often as they do now

Like for example, raina telgemeier probably wouldn't have been considered "real comics" 20 years ago
But now she's one of the best selling comic author/artists alive

There are already enough comics to cater to what you want. Stop trying to ruin everyone else's

>So this directly lines up with the notion that it's bad to tell young boys they aren't allowed to complain and that they just have to deal with it
Yeah the problem with your argument is that it assumes a world free of hypocrisy. Here's what's going to happen. I or someone else will cite examples of self proclaimed feminists that perpetuate the toxic masculinity in their words and actions, then you'll say they're not real feminists, then I'll sit here thinking "man feminists must not exist because whenever I find one someone else says they're not really feminist" and we'll be back to square one.

It's idiot to pretend that comics at any point in history were flawless and that the fans always loved every single thing about them

People who enjoy things will always have faults with them, to deny that's a part of any fan's experience is misleading

If you like pie, but you don't like cherry pie, would you ask for different kinds of pie or would you just say "well at least it's pie, guess I better shut up forever"

You're allowed to like something without liking everything about it
And I'm willing to bet that you didn't like every single comic that has ever come out before the year 2000

exactly
You're here talking about things you dont' like
One example happens to be the shift to a female centric type of comic, but you didn't come here to explicitly talk about SJWs in comics

>That's the opposite of what I think
>Imagine comics being a buffet rather than a single ingredient
It'd be a buffet of fucking tofu and no-one would be happy, because some people want chillies and some people want cake but sorry, we had to eliminate those because some people didn't like them.

Can you not see that there's room for every kind of comic to exist? And what's more, THEY ALREADY FUCKING DO.

What's the difference between that and reasoning? That sounds like reasoning is what they say and attitude is the impression you get.

I did read the second paragraph, it just sounded more like reasoning. The counter-claim was already posted
>It usually boils down into concepts like rape culture, toxic masculinity, objectification, and social inequity.
Wanting to be treated and seen as equals in works of fiction in mediums that have become more mainstream and before were niche even among straight males. And notice that they don't go after manga, anime, and porn comics like they do Marvel and DC; these have stepped out of the niche and wanted to market to more women.

I wouldn't demand the pie be changed to blueberry and that everyone else who doesn't want blueberry be labeled as a bigot.

In a sense, your tastes are ruining other people's comics
In a way, your tastes have ruined comics for years and other people are finally getting their voices heard

Okay, but hypocrisy exists in all things
For every one in this thread complaining about how comic quality will go down, there's probably tons of people who think superheroines should look sexy because that's how all women should look

Saying "hypocrites exist" doesn't mean that the argument itself is flawed
Giving me a hypothetical situation wherein you refuse to change your mind because no matter what someone is doing something wrong doesn't prove that at the very least, at it's core, the argument really hasn't changed
The people using the argument aren't using it right, and you've accepted that those people aren't using it right, but you haven't accepted that there are some who are using it right

So at the end of the day user, what you want is nothing?
You want nothing to change because even if people do try to change, there are people who won't change
Even if the net change is greater, it's not 100% fixed so you might as well not have done it at all?

What do you think is right? What is your argument?
Because it sounds like you're giving me an excuse not to try making sure that it's okay for boys to complain about how they feel. But I'm literally asking you now.

It's more idiotic to give a voice to people who were never fans of the comics in the first place and then cater to them while alienating the existing fanbase.

That's not happening, it only feels that way because you think Marvel is the entire industry.

>It usually boils down into concepts like rape culture, toxic masculinity, objectification, and social inequity
Which are not barriers to individual women and can be ignored. They're dumb female solidarity concepts touted by weak women unable to cope by themselves in an attempt to excuse their own failings and drag other women (and even men) into supporting their childish emotional neediness and make the bad men stop upsetting them.

Lying.

>ctrl+f
>bigot
It's just you user
You're the only one who is using that word

And even if you do see examples of that in other situations, right now, right here, I'm telling you what I think should happen and I'm not calling you a bigot because of it

>wouldn't demand
why not? or at the very least, why not ask?
If blueberry pie is that important to you, then what's stopping you from demanding a blueberry pie
Surely the market would see that there was a demand for blueberry pie and fit your needs

Sure you shouldn't label other people a bigot, but in this conversation, you're the only one using that word

It's the modus operandi of people trying to dissolve gatekeeping.

Okay, but in this scenario, there are plenty of women who do enjoy comics
So saying they don't enjoy a specific part of those comics isn't the same as "not enjoying those comics"

And how are you being alienated
Let's say that from now on, nothing about comics changes except the fact that there are no more superheroines in tight skimpy clothes
How specifically are you alienated by that?

Where the fuck are her areolas?

In a sense, you're a massive faggot

But I'm trying to dissolve gatekeeping, right now
saying "you just believe X" doesn't make sense when my argument doesn't revolve around X

That's the literal definition of a strawman

And?
You're going to pretend that Yea Forums as whole doesn't have faggotry at it's roots?
You're going to pretend you're different, nay, better because you come to a site full of faggotry and say "I'm not with faggotry, but I'm here, on a site filled with faggotry"

I hope you're aware you're "arguing" with more than one person.

Not the guy you're arguing with, but some people enjoy sexy drawings. Why shouldn't they be allowed to? Why does the demographic that doesn't enjoy sexy drawings deserve to be listened to over the one that does? Why can't we have comics for both kinds of people, which has been pointed out over and over again we already do?

>If blueberry pie is that important to you, then what's stopping you from demanding a blueberry pie
Blueberries are problematic and oppressive and misogynistic, and even if I have apple pie which is to my taste I get more gratification from complaining about blueberries.

>And how are you being alienated
How are big tits in tight clothes alienating?

You're telling me that you don't know the reasoning, but you know the attitude which seems synonymous with motive and that's just another word for "reasoning". You're not going to change your mind on this because if something as straight forward as "equality of depiction in a medium that was once overwhelmingly straight male that became mainstream and mass marketed" translates to "I can't cope with my failures" it's going to he hard to convince you of anything on this Korean anime board.

At the end of the day, you guys aren't contradicting each other
So if I reply to a post that says "I think X" and then you reply to my post that disagrees with that, then--unless you bring up your own argument--I have the right to assume you agree with the post I'm replying to

There's nothing wrong with sexy drawings, but the extent to which sexy drawings dominate the identity of females in comics is a bad thing because it doesn't offer any reprieve of a non-sexy comic book that contains female characters that aren't being sexualized
I would say that can be handled with a different argument, like why would kids need to be reading the same comics that adults use to get their sexy drawings from
It's a different argument, for a different time, for sure

How are blueberries problematic and oppressive and misogynistic
If that is the case, then I want to help you fight
But please, you have to first explain how blueberries are problematic and oppressive and misogynistic

>There's nothing wrong with sexy drawings, but the extent to which sexy drawings dominate the identity of females in comics is a bad thing because it doesn't offer any reprieve of a non-sexy comic book that contains female characters that aren't being sexualized

Then don't read comics. It's as simple as that.

It's really more the frequency of tight titties appear than the existence of them
If the staunch majority of women are wearing tight clothes for no other reason than looking nice, then it drives off people who want other things from their comics--like clothing that looks nice while still being functional
Cheesecake will never be completely removed from comics, but if that means that we get a good mix of women being represented in ways that women like and something for men, isn't that a good thing?

>Tarot's main fanbase is women
Seriously? Tarot's designs are hilariously over the top, and sexy, but I've never seen anything about a fanbase demo before. Got something to read that goes into that?

>Like pretty wimmin
>havta read comics to get that
>simple as
If sexy drawings are what you're after, then shouldn't you be reading porn?
Comics as a whole is not a vehicle for sexy drawings nor is it inherent nor is it required

Every day is like Halloween for them and women LOVE wearing slutty outfits on Halloween.

>it doesn't offer any reprieve of a non-sexy comic book that contains female characters that aren't being sexualized
What? Explain again how it's hard for people to choose to read different comics, like how someone who doesn't like being scared doesn't watch horror films, but can watch other films.

Yes but is it a legitimate frequency or just a perceived one due to social criticism's myopic focus on a minority of character designs?

Well it's a male power fantasy right?

You say that like people don't want to change porn either.

If non sexy comics re what you're after just read Lumberjanes.
It cuts both ways.

>If the staunch majority of women are wearing tight clothes for no other reason than looking nice, then it drives off people who want other things from their comics--like clothing that looks nice while still being functional
What does it drive them to? You act as if there aren't alternatives or the potential to create alternatives for them while leaving the existing model intact.
>Cheesecake will never be completely removed from comics,
The attempts of your peers notwithstanding.

But the argument you're giving is that comics HAVE to have skimpy costumes
If there are horror movies that don't make you scared, while they could exist as funny B-movies, the point of horror movies is to instill a sense of horror

I would say so
The majority of female superheroes have been seen in weird costumes that only exist as cheesecake

But again, male power fantasies aren't why comics exist

And people ARE changing porn
What I'd like to change about porn is how terribly porn stars can be treated
But that's a different argument

So in summary, you can remove the male power fantasy from comics and retain the comic
You can also keep the male power fantasy and remove the elements of that male power fantasy that make women not also want to engage in the male power fantasy or simultaneously include a female power fantasy

>The majority of female superheroes have been seen in weird costumes that only exist as cheesecake

This. Also women design are too excessive for the general audience, just look at the shit women mangaka and doujin writers do, it's not family friendly

You continue to misrepresent everyone's arguments in every post you make.

>If non sexy comics re what you're after just read Lumberjanes.
You say that as if people on Yea Forums were okay with the fact that Lumberjanes existed
You say that as if it exists in its own separate sphere of comics wherein Yea Forums would never shit on it for not being comics

Lumberjanes exists as a reprieve in the same way that keeping more clothes on superheroines does, both can exist

>What does it drive them to?
As it stands, to stuff like lumberjanes
But if that's not what people want, why should we keep driving them off?
Yes alternatives exist and one of those alternatives to driving them away is making sure that female superheroes are portrayed in a way that more women can feel powerful with

>The attempts of your peers notwithstanding.
Bringing up people who aren't me isn't a good way to win an argument with me
Here you are, trying to have a discussion with me and bringing up ideas and points that I don't share
What is the point?
If you want to argue with those people, go and argue with those people
I'm not a halfway point for you to feel better about yourself with

>See that shit right there is part of the problem. Are we reallly still complaining about shit that's been done and gone?
No, I'm not of the opinion that changes haven't been made
I'm just arguing with people who hate those changes

>This is vegan thinking. Stop callng it bacon if it's got no pork.
But the male power fantasy isn't specifically about looking at broads in tight clothing
It's about males feeling powerful and living out their fantasies about feeling powerful

>You continue to misrepresent everyone's arguments in every post you make.
why would you bring up notion that people who don't like being scared shouldn't watch horror movies, in that horror movies exist to scare people, in an argument about how women shouldn't read cape comics? or comics in general?

Because annoying fat casuals shouldn’t talk like they actually care about comics.

>But the argument you're giving is that comics HAVE to have skimpy costumes
No it isn't. It's that it's okay for SOME comics to have sexy ladies in skimpy costumes. I don't think ALL comics have to, and that's been my point this entire time, that there should be choice, and there is.

You're responding to my question with questions that don't correlate to the issue at hand.

Remember you're arguing with multiple people. You presumed one user was me when it wasn't.

Shut up you collectivist hole. If you’re into comics for the “fandom” (social attention) you aren’t actually in it for the comics.

Fuck off casual.

So the customer (the public) like them.

>it’s the casual that can’t add up issues sold on comichron
Compared to something like Batman she’s literally who tier.

Here's the vid where OP got the pic...and her teammates ask her just that!
youtube.com/watch?v=3vbn6rZwgrA&t=1s

Yeah, fine. If it's all the same to you I'll continue to seek out and enjoy the company of women who either don't care about or better yet, appreciate my Serpieri albums rather than ones who think I'm a misogynist for owning them.

Because for the vast majority of the industry's lifetime comics have been written by straight men for straight men.

There’s not a single female comic fan with some decent cred—say, reading an entire Bronze Age run, that bitches over how big Power Girls titties are. It’s only entry level Saga and Ms. Marvel readers.

I was just talking about this with a different user
If you're after sexy drawings, then go read comics that are focused on sexy drawings
If you're after horror movies that don't scare you, go watch crappy bmovies
If you're after cape comics, then why should you have to read sexy drawing comics?

Such as

Again, if you don't present your own argument, then why should I assume you're a person with a different argument?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you guys say "casuals" it means people who never read comics, rather than people only casually interested in comics
But if I am wrong and you guys do mean people only casually interested in comics, why are you guys the only ones who get to decide what comics should be like?

Go read Faith if you want a hamplanet superheroine. Wonder Woman doesn’t need a breast reduction because “I’ll totally buy all the comics guys really I’m really a big fan”

>There’s not a single female comic fan with some decent cred that bitches over how big Power Girls titties are
Well yeah, that makes sense if you think about it for a second
>women say they want comics like ms Marvel
>women finally get comics like ms Marvel
>women aren't interested in anything that contains stuff like Power Girls tits being gigantic or whatever
Not that the bronze age contains tons of shit like that, but of course those women don't know anything else besides entry level shit if the comics that were more easily attainable weren't the bronze age shit but the stuff they were complaining about
But now that they are into comics, I'm sure that there will be more and more female comic fans with """""""""""""some decent cred"""""""""""""

Cape comics are male power fantasies which include sexy drawings.

I googled "Serpieri" and "misogynist" together and didn't find anyone calling it or anyone misogynist. You'll do fine.

>doesn’t offer any reprieve
What the fuck? You’re acting like you’re being besieged by a wave of sexy women.

Superheroes are super people. You might as well ask where the comics are about normies that don’t have super skills like Batman or super powers like Superman.

But i do read porn too. I just like sexy women in my comics and nothing will chance that.

>Oh noez duh americans are at it again, dis sugz
Why do you retards project western decline onto us. We need to make the captcha slightly harder and filter you

But would you honestly be mad if there was a non-busty Wonder Woman?
If there was a Wonder Woman did get a breast reduction surgery because her back ached more than it needed to or because she just wanted to get a reduction because she preferred a specific size?

can include sexy drawings, but it's not a necessity

Women like sexy women. The ones that don’t are a minority.

ok

>Superheroes are super people
But they are also fictional, regardless of whether or not they represent people with lives, they represent lives that the artists/writers control

So you can't really say that exists because the character is fully control of her own bodily autonomy and exists outside of any sort of male influence

>If you're after cape comics, then why should you have to read sexy drawing comics?
So we get to the crux of the matter. How not sexy do you need your female capes to be? I mean is Supergirl too sexy? Faith?

It's not a necessity to remove them either. The complainers can just go do something else in that case.

>more women can feel powerful with
Women feel powerful with Wonder Woman. They don’t cosplay whales you stupid hole.

I legitimately don't know how to calculate that, but if there are large swaths of women who want sexy drawings in their comics, I'm sure that eventually comics will go back to being sexy

Why not start a petition?
Hopefully you can find a way to get sexy women in a way that makes most women comfortable
What ideas do you have?

/thread

If they're fictional then why should it matter if they're in control of their own image? It harms no one except the insecure and the resentful for men to produce images of sexy women.

Because they are sluts who know they can tape whoever they want and no one can do a damn thing about, and they like to lord this over normals.
We are all under the oppressive yet sexy heel of female super heroes.

>why should the people that invest more in a hobby talk with authority on the subject?

Jesus Christ you are a dumb hole. Stick to the entry level trash made for you.

Literally who gives a fuck, just draw things that are visually appealing to most of the demographic and ignore the bitchy minority. If that means having an emphasis on cheesecake and 6 packs then so be it.

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Id be mad if they reduced Starfires tits just like I’d be mad if they turned Superman into a balding fat manlet.

>I don't like Thing, here's how you can change it to appeal to me more.
>We don't care about appealing to you.
>It's hurtful to me that Thing doesn't appeal to me.
>You have to go out of your way to consume Thing, just don't do that.
>It influences how the people who do consume Thing treat me.
>No it doesn't, the few that are influenced are assholes who would be a problem no matter whether they consumed Thing or not.
>I'm going to complain to the higher ups to change Thing to suit my interests more.
>Okay they changed it but I'm not gonna buy Thing anyway.

>they represent lives that the writers/artists control
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>So we get to the crux of the matter.
This is the crux of what you want, not what I want
I just want more people to feel comfortable with the way women are being represented in comics
Sexiness is only an issue when its toxic
When you see people say things like "that girl is way too fat to be wonder woman", that's bad

But if people are asking for it to be removed, it'll probably get removed
If you like it, you can ask for it, but if your argument is that "other things exist so they should be happy" why aren't you happy with other things?
I mean, right now a lot of change has happened in comics as a whole
More and more women are opting for tactical clothing rather than sexy clothing, batgirl, capt. marvel, etc etc
So the change has already begun. If your argument is that "if its' not necessary, why change it" why change it back?

I'm really not against sexy clothing on superheroines, it's more about how it effects fandoms and the people reading those comics

This is kinda what I'm talking about
I'm a "hole" because I disagree, which means I'm a girl, which means that regardless of what I've said in this thread, my "worth" to this user is that I'm a talking vagina (regardless of whether or not I have one or if I'm a girl)
I can understand this is more of a Yea Forums thing than a comics thing, but it's not like you don't hear those sorts of things at conventions, other blogs and forums, etc etc

At the end of the day, I'm giving you my argument and not someone elses, so you can ad hominem all you want, if you want to argue with someone else, argue with someone else.

We did, had and liked it but the feminist and SJWs of the 2010s, instead of trying to be part of the existing fan community, overthrew it, changed it to something it wasn't, and attacked anyone who didn't share their mindset.

They are sexy. Look at DC characters. Marvel tried turning Carol into a tranny and her book is trapped in endless reboots that don’t sell even with a million dollar movie.

Look at Black Canary. Look at Starfire. Look at even Lois. Sexy is still very much on the menu at DC.

>that makes most women comfortable.
Most women don’t give a damn. It’s only the lumber janes and saga crowd mouthing off because they cry when they see a big tity in spandex.

Is Wonder Woman still an SJW icon currently or did they fix that?

Why should anyone care about the comfort of people who weren't reading comics in the first place? There's hardly been enough influx of new readers to replace the old ones or drag comics out of the pit they're in.

I want the NGfags to leave.

Every fucking time.

Women don’t care about the hobby. They care about the “fandom” and social attention and power.

because they are envious of their looks.
they feel angry because they know they can and will never look like them; illustrations.

>It harms no one except the insecure
Why would you purposefully harm the insecure
Or rather, why would you harm the insecure in favor of the people who are far more secure who don't need as much to enjoy comics?

But that's a bad argument
If you read every single comic that is out there, and I mean every single one, that doesn't mean you're entitled to have an opinion with more weight than a casual fan
Let's turn the argument around
Let's say you despise all comics because they aren't MLP, does that mean because you've read every single comic, that they should be more like MLP?

Does that mean the comic is worse or that the cheese/beefcake is worse?
I don't think that would be a bad comic user
I'd love to read something about whether or not superman would still be superman if he wasn't as hunky
In fact, there have been tons of "not so hunky" heroes with great stories

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Lets be honest, if you are a male then you certainly aren’t a man. Men don’t think you’re a man. Women sure as hell don’t think you’re a man.

“Can Wonder Woman have a breast reduction they make my girlfriends cry” fuck off you hole.

Lesbian Seduction.

>that girl is way too fat to be Wonder Woman
How the hell is saying this a problem?

Okay, but are you talking specifically about people who have never read comics or entry level fans who only read stuff like Ms Marvel?

Because depending on your answer, it's
>to attract new readers
>to make sure the newer readers keep reading

>Vampirella's costume was designed by a female.

>themoreyouknow.jpg

Bayonetta was created and designed by a woman, too, IIRC

I like women with big tits in spandex, don't you dare take that away from me.

don't you DARE.

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>I just want more people to feel comfortable with the way women are being represented in comics
Then read (or recommend these "people" you're so concerned about) the comics where you think women are represented well. That's not too hard, is it? But you're not going to stop other people enjoying comics you're NOT happy about, and nor should you posses the power to since your ideals are not universal or objective. Nor are you ever going to stop certain people from just being assholes, and I think that's something you just need to accept.

>more women are opting for “tactical” clothing
>lists the old Batgirl of Burnside which flopped and Carol who constantly flops even with a blockbuster movie
Way to prove you’re a “fan”.

Shut up bitch.

Because there's no obligation to care about people insecure enough to have their feelings hurt by drawings and who could easily ignore it if they chose to do so.

>girls hate superheroine designs

girls on for the most part don't give a shit about superheroes or anything heroic.

>Lets be honest, if you are a male then you certainly aren’t a man. Men don’t think you’re a man. Women sure as hell don’t think you’re a man.
Where's that one user
This is an example of toxic masculinity

Why should I be concerned about what you or your imaginary examples of people who agree with you think of me and my masculinity?
Why does masculinity just happen to conform with what you believe rather than what I believe or rather what we both make of it?
Why does masculinity revolve around what other people think rather than how one chooses to be?
If no one was around, would one cease to be a man?
These are of course rhetorical questions, so you really, Really do not have to answer them

No. SJW icons are Carol and Kamala.

>feminist icon in the sixties
Wears a swimsuit. Proud of her Amazonian body and it’s look. Literally has the beauty of Aphrodite.

>feminist icon today
Butch lesbian. Loud and annoying. More of a Superman rip off than Wonder Woman.

>Why would you purposefully harm the insecure
Or rather, why would you harm the insecure in favor of the people who are far more secure who don't need as much to enjoy comics?

What the fuck kind of asinine bullshit do you image is at stake here? People do not have to walk on eggshells or dilute everything that they enjoy to appease a group of neurotic whiners. Just because an outlier complains does not mean that they are right and the whole of society does not owe it to them to turn on a dime and appease them. How emotionally weak do you have to be, how much of a fucking burden on your friends and family are you? You're pathetic!

I seriously can't believe you're so fucking pretentious, so sanctimonious as to postulate that YOUR DISCOMFORT is the standard to which all of society, or even worse, to which a niche hobby must be held. If you don't like comics then don't read them!

You are so fucking selfish it blows my mind. You really can't fathom that people don't owe it to you to make you or people like you comfortable, and it doesn't matter how reasonably you frame your arguments. You and the people like you are not. owed. shit.

>Why should I be concerned about what you or your imaginary examples of people who agree with you think of me and my masculinity?
Why should anyone be concerned about what you or your imaginary examples of people who agree with you think of female character designs in comics?

>why would you purposefully harm the insecure
Because the insecure need a fucking reality check. And because bullying is both fun and a method of social correction.

Because they're so a poor little victim that we're obligated to indulge every neurosis they come up with.

Because it hurts their feelings and makes people not want to read comics

This entire time I haven't been trying to get you to stop trying to enjoy comics nor have I been trying to stop assholes from being assholes
I don't get it
If your argument is that I have to accept that my ideals are not objective, despite the fact that comics have been changing to include people who think like me, why do I need to accept another point of view?
That's not what I'm trying to argue of course, I'm just thinking out loud as to why you'd come at me with this argument

Please explain

Saying there's no obligation to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do it
There's no obligation to eat chocolate ice cream, or to go swimming in the summer, or to read comics period
I don't get how this argument works

>Saying there's no obligation to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do it
>There's no obligation to eat chocolate ice cream, or to go swimming in the summer, or to read comics period
>I don't get how this argument works

Clearly not you delusional cunt, so kindly shut the fuck up. Pack up you collectivist bullshit and go, you're so out of touch with reality that trying to meet you halfway means walking through a minefield of your stupidity.

>Because the insecure need a fucking reality check
>which is exactly why we need this fictional story to contain sexy women
???
Either way, if someone is insecure, doesn't that mean they are hyper aware of their shortcomings?

>And because bullying is both fun and a method of social correction.
I don't think that's true, but that's kinda a separate argument for a different board

If comics are changing, then I guess you don't have to care about comics anymore
Also, if comics have been exactly the same this entire time and haven't changed in any way, why are you even in this thread or arguing against me?

>Obligation
>noun: obligation; plural noun: obligations
>an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

What the fuck are you smoking?

Christ, you're not even arguing anymore, just trolling.

>This entire time I haven't been trying to get you to stop trying to enjoy comics nor have I been trying to stop assholes from being assholes
Then I don't understand what your argument is any more. You say it's
>I just want more people to feel comfortable with the way women are being represented in comics
But what course of action, other than what's already happened, are you suggesting to achieve that? Can you please answer me one question, do you think there are comics out there suitable for every demographic and that it's okay for people to create and enjoy comics you don't? Because if you agree with those two points I don't even know why we're fucking arguing.

Okay user
In this situation, I really really want you to examine the posts I'm responding to
ie
>Because the insecure need a fucking reality check. And because bullying is both fun and a method of social correction.
And also
>Lets be honest, if you are a male then you certainly aren’t a man. Men don’t think you’re a man. Women sure as hell don’t think you’re a man.

How are those arguments or even arguments worth actually responding to

please explain

please explain

Yup, trolling.

>do you think there are comics out there suitable for every demographic and that it's okay for people to create and enjoy comics you don't
for sure
If you actually read this thread, I answered an user who asked a similar question
But you actually don't care about that
You think I'm arguing for comics to change more than they have rather than saying the changes that have been made are good
You just want something to be mad at

Don't worry, they're just innies.

>Saying there's no obligation to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't do it
Uh, yeah there is, because to do otherwise is to imply that you have your finger on the pulse of some underlying moral rightness, but there's no such thing at stake here. Your statement is literal nonsense but you're so sanctimonious that you think it makes sense.

Ew.

Well despite the disparity between the looks of men and women that are depicted in superhero comics, The women in said comics ARE just as equipped for serious business as the men despite not looking the part; Wonder Woman springs to mind.

nice
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For someone constantly trying to explain how your arguments are being taken the wrong way you sure do like presuming what other people think. Whatever. I'm done here.

I think you're just reading a bit too far into my statement
Let's take a step back
>there's no obligation to care about the insecure
does this mean that I shouldn't care about them and that I couldn't?
This is what I was saying, so how does this connect to your statement of
>Uh, yeah there is, because to do otherwise is to imply that you have your finger on the pulse of some underlying moral rightness
So in this situation I'm caring about the insecure because I want to, not be cause I have to, but because I am caring about them that means that I have "my finger on the pulse of some underlying moral rightness"
which is something that you're saying I'm doing, not something I'm saying I'm doing

So in this situation
Wherein you asked a question that I answered before with a different user
How exactly can you prove that you were understanding my argument in the right way, using your previous statements/questions?

s-source?
for my science paper...

Well, if superhero comics are, (in your words) indeed a "Male Power Fantasy", then you should know that (as a female) it is a fantasy for males not female, therefore not media females (like you [hopefully])would like.

So instead of getting angry and the industry and people who like it, you should just shrug your shoulders and look into other medias that APPEALS TO YOU.

When men (or just normal people) don't like what they see in media, they just look the other way and move on with their life. Yes they can give their 2 cent to the subject but they don't actively attack the people who like it and demand change that'll make everyone else, who actually like said media as is, dislike you.

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>Let's take a step back
Let's not, because the one thing I've noticed from your posts is your ability to dissolve the meaning of anything to suit your needs.

>So instead of getting angry and the industry and people who like it, you should just shrug your shoulders and look into other medias that APPEALS TO YOU.
What I don't get about this is that if people should just shrug their shoulders and look for other things, why can't you do that?
The answer I'm sure is "because this already exists", but it's not like other things won't exist--which is already a part of the argument, just look for other things

I mean, that is NOT what I'm arguing at all, but I just wanted to ask why this is the argument you're going with
Let's say that every single comic publisher announces that they are no longer going to make the kinds of comics you like
Do you come to Yea Forums and say "this is bullshit" or do you say "oh well"?
Because are you saying "oh well" right now or are yous saying "I want X to appeal to me"

Anyway, as for an actual answer
The male power fantasy doesn't necessarily have to have scantily clad women, so if it can exist simultaneously without it or in conjunction with a female power fantasy, I don't see why that's not a good thing--why inclusion so that everyone can have their power fantasy is a bad thing

spinnerette

but im telling you now, that character hasn't been in the comic for years now.

its a horribly done lesbo comic that has 2 huge tits characters that would be better off in another comic, but can't leave.

See

If you're having an issue with understanding my argument, then we should take a step back so we can both clearly define what it is that we mean to say
Rather than not and just assume that the other party is an idiot

See:

I've read a few issues and the letter pages are all landwhales gushing about the positive representation of the Wiccan lifestyle and the plight of large breasted women.

No assumptions necessary, you've been proving your idiocy this whole time.

>Because it effects women in ways that it doesn't effect men
>Namely, thinking women should look a specific way, which is something that entire industries have been built around

No it doesn't, they're fictional. Everyone know they're fictional and everyone knows that a fictional person isn't a real person.
Nobody thinks Yogi Bear is an actual bear nor do they think Sonic the Hedgehog should be an actual Hedgehog.

The people who can't differentiate the fiction from the actual have mental issues.

Your argument that male power fantasies are
1. Presumptuous and based off YOUR idea of what they are. Not to mention that capeshit started out as male power fantasies
2. Are ignorant and dismissing of tradition, the fact that both men and women in capeshit are often dressed the exact same way save for body shape.
3. Once again ignoring the fact that you're no better than soccer mom's complaining about pokemon creatures or Harry Potter because those encourage demonic rituals or some shit. If viewing sexy women causes misogyny and tape culture then your argument should be more directed towards porn Hollywood and advertising in general

>Presumptuous and based off YOUR idea of what they are. Not to mention that capeshit started out as male power fantasies
Big boys with muscles beating up bad guys and outsmarting them
Hence, bronze age comics not having nearly as much cheesecake as later comics

>Are ignorant and dismissing of tradition, the fact that both men and women in capeshit are often dressed the exact same way save for body shape.
Why don't women have a body shape that is more suited for taking down villains
You rarely see bulging muscles outside of she-hulk, but we all know women can look that way in a similar way that men can
If the male power fantasy is specifically about beating up
I'm not dismissing tradition, I'm pointing out why tradition has changed to specifically include sexy drawings
The types of Pin Up drawings that came out during the same time as older comics don't appear in older comics

>Once again ignoring the fact that you're no better than soccer mom's complaining about pokemon creatures or Harry Potter because those encourage demonic rituals or some shit. If viewing sexy women causes misogyny and tape culture then your argument should be more directed towards porn Hollywood and advertising in general
I have talked about advertising in general, I have talked about porn ITT
Those aren't really board specific, but I'll definitely talk about how porn is damaging for both men and women on boards like /gif/
But to address the soccer mom thing, while some claims about demonic possession are outlandish, you'd be a fool to insist that the way we think is in no way influenced by the media we consume

That's not really how it works
You are right in that some people who cannot differentiate fiction from the actual have mental issues

But you'd be wrong to say that fiction can in no way effect the mind of a healthy individual
I'd say if you don't empathize with characters, you're missing the point of reading a comic

Agree 100% even if it's bait

kangoku senkan

>What I don't get about this is that if people should just shrug their shoulders and look for other things, why can't you do that?
I DO do that though.

>Let's say that every single comic publisher announces that they are no longer going to make the kinds of comics you like.

Why does it have to be comics doing a 180 and cater to a demographic totally alien to them, why can't it be about Barbie or Transformers and the kids that like them BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.
Boys know that they aren't going to like Barbies so they don't bug their parents to buy them just like how girls don't like Transformers so they don't play with them. The boys/girls don't attack Mattel/Hasbro to make Barbie/Transformers cater to them, they just play what they like, everyone has their community, everyone is happy.

BUT HEY, what if some boys do like playing with Barbies, the most likely reason is because the like the color pink and like dressing Barbie in clothes , something that would be punishing to them if Mattel chose to cater to the boy demographic by making everything blue and Barbie having to dress to what boys stereotypically like (Thus not only ruining the few boys' interest to Barbie but to the existing Barbie fanbase who liked it as it was as well )

>I DO do that though.
But you aren't doing it now

>Why does it have to be comics doing a 180
>cater to a demographic totally alien to them
But this implies that women never liked comics

>Boys know that they aren't going to like Barbies so they don't bug their parents to buy them just like how girls don't like Transformers so they don't play with them
This is the worst argument ever
Plenty of girls and boys like transformers and barbies and we shouldn't limit them to playing with what they are supposed to play with
Not ONLY that, but if there were more things that catered to boys with barbie and more things that catered to girls with transformers, companies would expand their consumer levels and more consumers would have more toys

And why is it that Blue is for boys and Pink is for girls?
Yeah, some guys DO like pink, but at the end of the day, wouldn't it just make more sense to appeal to more people by colors they like than the colors that are "for them", because barbie really does enjoy the color pink, but you'd be hardpressed to say that the majority of barbie stuff is specifically pink
Not that that's your argument, but saying non-pink barbie is a "punshiment" for kids who like pink isn't a great argument by itself

There are multiple reasons for liking barbie and it being Pink probably isn't one that is necessarily the most important one nor is it one that Barbie cannot exist without

>you'd be hardpressed to say that the majority of barbie stuff is specifically pink
Sorry, let me iterate this in a different way
You'd be hardpressed to say that the majority of barbie stuff is pink because the people who enjoy barbie have their favorite color as pink

If you got it, flaunt it.

Lemme counter your bronze age argument with wonder woman, black canary, black cat, Catwoman, Superman's harem, Golden/Silver age Batwoman, and many more, most of whom have huge torpedo tits. Idunno dude, seems like tits and male power fantasies to hand in hand

With regards to the impractical body shape. Neither bodybuilders nor busty super models are good at fighting crime. Why should anyone with super strength have muscles at all? Not to mention (in the case of wonder woman) that she's either gifted by gods or a child of them, and when have female Greek gods been particularly muscular?.
Again to the impractical body thing, it's unrealistic to have a single person, let alone a woman, beat down a room full of thugs. You can either have your Holly Holm lady maybe take out one dude before being overwhelmed by another 1 or 2 dudes with superior upper body strength and lung capacity, all for the sake of realism, or shut up about realism.
About your last point, lemme frame it like this, porn and advertising and most of the media you address have women as damsels, comics have women who are less passive and often are more proactive than a porn actress

>But you aren't doing it now
Who said I'm not, I'm defending the notion that Comics shouldn't be doing a 180 to their entire culture because some people don't like as is.

>But this implies that women never liked comics
That means the women who likes comics also like the MALE POWER FANTASY of said comics already, therefore COMICS DON'T NEED CHANGING.

>Plenty of girls and boys like transformers and barbies and we shouldn't limit them to playing with what they are supposed to play with

I know that THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE BOTTOM SENTENCE OF MY PREVIOUSLY POST, because I'm aware of it.

Everyone who likes Barbie likes Barbie how it is just like how everyone who likes Comics likes Comis just how it is. NOBODY WANTS THEIR FAVORITE THING TO CHANGE JUST BECAUSE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO HATES THEM.

>Who said I didn't
>I DO do that though
you

>That means the women who likes comics also like the MALE POWER FANTASY of said comics already, therefore COMICS DON'T NEED CHANGING.
And the male power fantasy of comics doesn't necessarily include the sexualization of female characters

>I'm aware of it
You also said
>Boys know that they aren't going to like Barbies so they don't bug their parents to buy them just like how girls don't like Transformers so they don't play with them
So rather than just saying "the kids who like barbies/transformers" you specifically said boys and girls

>NOBODY WANTS THEIR FAVORITE THING TO CHANGE
This implies that anyone who likes something likes every single thing about it and wouldn't change it in any way, regardless of how it's given to them
Which is hilariously wrong

Not that guy but comics don't need changing, comics don't need anything. They don't need to stay the same either and it's okay for them to branch out. They've been constantly changing through the decades, handed from writer to writer, editor to editor, artist to artist. Even when they became more extreme in their sexualization, that was also a change.

The fucking toilet on that bitch!

But if we go back even further into silver and gold age comics, we see less and less cheesecake
You might say it's a product of the times where people didn't ask for as much of it--even still, the foundation of comics and the male power fantasy can easily be separate from tits

With regards to body builders not being good at fighting crime, the muscles are there to prove that they are strong, not just to look good

>Why should anyone with super strength have muscles at all?
That's a great point
Muscles really aren't necessary for either men or women to be strong in fiction, but to sell the idea that the men were rightfully strong, they were given muscles
Superman doesn't need a 6 pack, but he has one because it sells the idea he's super strong
So with that in mind, why do women have scantily clad costumes if it's not to sell that idea?
It's because women in scantily clad costumes don't actually pertain to the male power fantasy, that's not what those costumes are for

>let alone a woman, beat down a room full of thugs
Even with the argument that realistically, nobody can take down an entire room of thugs, why would a superheroine having a skimpy costume mean that she is suddenly able to?
The problem isn't realism in comics

>porn and advertising and most of the media you address have women as damsels
But that's changing more and more, because people who are tired of being treated like damsels are asking for better representation
Just like in comics
And just because there is more proactive female representation in comics, doesn't necessarily mean it's free from the same flaws that porn and hollywood has

So you can bring up other, greater and more egregious examples of poor female representation in the media such has porn and the silver screen
But this isn't the board to talk about those things
I will talk about those things, and I have talked about those things, but I would prefer to specifically talk about on-topic things such as comics

So am I a fat neckbeard or a landwhale because it seems like you morons can't make up your mind. A simple statement without any judgement or opinion is enough to make you piss your pants in autistic rage because you imagine being prosecuted, so how can you possibly take part in any legitimate discussion? Just neck yourself, save yourself the stress of living in your delusional reality and everyone else the annoyance of having to deal with you.

Man I remember when we just wanted some sexy ninja limey with a laser knife and that was it.

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>But if we go back even further into silver and gold age comics, we see less and less cheesecake
Phantom Lady says otherwise.

Ahem...
IT WASN'T MADE FOR YOU, THEREFORE YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE IT.

>Just like in comics
Then why aren't they buying comics?

>permavirgins
Congrats. You're guilty of toxic masculinity.

Do you think women don't want larger tits with none of the drawbacks? Because multiple women I've talked to have been insecure about how small their tits are.
And sure you could argue that they're insecure because of unrealistic depictions. But the fact of the matter is that there are quite a few who look to these idealized female figures as a source of their power fantasies. It's dumb to argue that a girl who is in charge of her sex appeal, who is sexy and knows it, isn't something a lot of women wish they could be.

>Who said I didn't
>I DO do that though
>you
I mean that I don't like Barbies or Transformers so I don't bother with either and enjoy what I like and not attack the ones who do. I'm defending comics from the vile of SJWs and the "notion that comics have to do 180 and apeese to them and screw the existing fanbase."

>This implies that anyone who likes something likes every single thing about it and wouldn't change it in any way, regardless of how it's given to them
Which is hilariously wrong

There is a difference between giving constructive criticism to flaws in a story and changing a story and the establish lore entirely just to appeal to soccer moms.

>I'm aware of it
You also said
>Boys know that they aren't going to like Barbies so they don't bug their parents to buy them just like how girls don't like Transformers so they don't play with them
So rather than just saying "the kids who like barbies/transformers" you specifically said boys and girls

The Barbie demographic are Young Female Children, the Boys in the equation are the exception to that demographic just like How MLP wat made to catered to girls but have a huge surprise following to the ones outside the demographic. (THEY like MLP how it is, changing MLP will destroy everyone who likes it)

>Big boys with muscles beating up bad guys and outsmarting them
But that's wrong. Those are means to an end. The male power fantasy is being seen as attractive by hot girls. Everything else is in service of that.

Because the sexes are equal, but women are more equal than men

What if it's not made for women? Stay in your lane, sweaty, let men and queer women enjoy things, stop being such a cultural imperialist.

They are

The majority of golden age heroines got more sexualized as time went on, not less

>You're finding ways to justify hero sexualizing as if it's natural that women will always want to dress up like that
Harley Quinn's skanky ass costume was way too popular for this not to be a little true.

>If it's a male with an impossible physique and revealing costume, then it's a power fantasy because men love being objectified
>If it's a female with an impossible physique and revealing costume it's SICK FILTH WE MUST BAN NOW TO DEFEND THE HONOR OF FICTIONAL WOMEN
Kek, imagine being so sheltered and having so few actual problems that this is your unironic outlook on art and life in general

>They are
Sales figures say otherwise.

>But you'd be wrong to say that fiction can in no way effect the mind of a healthy individual
>I'd say if you don't empathize with characters, you're missing the point of reading a comic

There is a difference between emphasizing with a fictional bear in a cartoon/comic and his struggles with picnic-basket-addiction
and
Believing women in comics who wears bikini armor is a negative portrayal on REAL WOMYN and WILL cause psychological damage to little children because they can't handle cleavage.

Cus the girl in your pic has a 10/10 body, of course she's gunna flaunt it, can't blame her

>Because it effects women in ways that it doesn't effect men
You literally can't make that claim if you're not a man. Like, by your own logic. You lack the perspective to do so, your entire outlook is based wholly on what YOU think is best for everyone.

Women can understand men but men can't understand women don't you know anything sweety etcetera

>Women are campaigning for "more realistic" (read: fatter) body shapes in superhero media
>Thor becomes fat
>They all start REEEEEEing because their schlick bait is a thicc boy now
Delicious

>notion that comics have to do 180 and apeese to them and screw the existing fanbase
But we're only talking about revealing outfits ITT
removing revealing outfits from comics isn't doing a 180

>There is a difference between giving constructive criticism to flaws in a story and changing a story and the establish lore entirely just to appeal to soccer moms.
Then make that difference user
Because you literally said
>NOBODY WANTS THEIR FAVORITE THING TO CHANGE
>Everyone who likes Barbie likes Barbie how it is
>everyone who likes Comics likes Comis just how it is

>The Barbie demographic are Young Female Children
That's who it's marketed to, not who is allowed to enjoy it
>just like How MLP
exactly, just like MLP
MLP is marketed to little girls, but it does not mean that the creators haven't embraced the non-little girl community

That's more of a sexual fantasy, than a power fantasy user
What you're talking about is shit like why a bunch of sitcoms have a dumpy looking father and a wife that is seen as conventionally attractive in-out of the universe


>What if it's not made for women
I'm pretty sure that men and queer women, while both liking women, aren't the same in how they like women
queer women don't necessarily like the same things about women as men just because they both like women
Lesbians and WLW aren't just female versions of men

I really wish that this site had user IDs.
That way we could filter out faggts who destroy theads with their autism.

>>skimpy clothing on female heroes is what gives comics good writing
>try again
In an extremely roundabout way it kind of does. See, in order to draw stuff a majority of people will find sexy you need a sufficient skill level that the overall quality of the art is going to go up (otherwise you get mocked like Liefeld). Failure to do this results in an uncanny valley effect which kills boners.
This can also be reflected in the kind of stories your art can tell. Like for example, Erica Henderson's art as seen in Unbeatable Squirrel girl can ONLY ever work for a lighthearted comedy series. Not so much for for drama.

>That's more of a sexual fantasy, than a power fantasy user
Power is a utility. Utility has a purpose. What is the purpose?

>That's who it's marketed to, not who is allowed to enjoy it
Women are allowed to like big titties in spandex. (And a shockingly high number of them do) They're not a monolith. You're talking ab out catering to a subset that doesn't. At the expense of those that do.

Anyone can enjoy it. I literally don't care what people partake of if they're having fun. Read/watch/play whatever you like.

But the second you start saying "this shit that wasn't made for me should change because I don't like it in its current state yet want the perceived status of liking it", you can go fuck off.

I'm not sitting here like "man, Sex and the City needs more male representation". It's not made for me so I don't give a shit.

>trying to get rid of the people who say "stop complaining, real men don't complain"
Literally the only people who have said shit like this to me are far-left feminists who assume that, because I'm male, I have no struggles in life.

You literally don't know what you're talking about and if you truly want to fight for social justice, you should accept when you don't understand the perspective of groups different from your own.

THIS.

If you don't like fighting and explosions and violence, don't watch action movies. If you don't like being scared, don't watch horror. And if you don't like impossible god people in silly impractical costumes, don't read capeshit.

Go to the gym - any woman there putting in serious training is typically wearing very little, sports bra and/or tank top, booty shorts.

Watch any combat sport. Anyone - man or woman - is wearing as little as possible to not have clothing act as an encumbrance or a hazard. No male who does competitive MMA, Greco Roman wrestling, or boxing does so with a shirt on or a pair of baggy pants.

Strategy. The vast majority of criminals are unintelligent men. If having your tits or ass out distracts your foe even for a second, that may be all the advantage you need to win. This is more important for non-powered heroes, but it works for all.

No, she's white and conventionally attractive.

If men find it enjoyable to look at, it's haram.

Not to mention they're depriving the people that shit was made for, and they don't care. And when man complain that shit is no longer being made for them and now they don't like it, what do women say? "LOL WHO CARES IT'S NOT MADE FOR YOU INCEL".

A comic is made for a man who likes scantily dressed women? Women don't like it! Change it immediately! Stop catering to YOUR tastes, cater to MINE!
A comic is made for women with shit taste, men don't like it and ask for a comic men like instead? Lol who cares about you incel, it's not for you!

Women are hypocrites. Never listen to them. Think only about yourself and what YOU want, not what women want. All women want is to ruin your fun and nothing else.

Marco wasn't supposed to have those two male friends in Star vs. but execs said they needed for the show to have more male representation so it isn't too girly. I'm sure if enough male fans were interested they'd branch try for more males.

It's mostly marketing, but these comics aim to be enjoyed and marketed to everyone, especially after they started trying to go more mainstream. Ultimately, The Avengers was more culturally significant than Sex and the City, so it lends itself to more critique.

>And if you don't like impossible god people in silly impractical costumes, don't read capeshit.
The argument is that it's god men commanding respect and being cool and the god bimbos commanding my boner and being killed.

>This Entire Post

please see this

Yikes and oofpilled.

Just how I like it. Why do you want to deprive me of what I like, you horrid person?

>He thinks women are the only ones killed for plot/marketing reasons in comics
K casual

Aren't the insecure the ones at fault for being insecure?
Why would anyone's problems be the responsibility of anyone else?

And what if I like golden age cape comics? Why do you want to deprive me of that?

It's a joke.

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Well compare Harley's costume to any other female in fiction
Harley was more of an outlier than anything, females in media, even scantily clad ones, were about on par with other ones
I'm not going to say that women can't wear sexy clothes or be portrayed as such, but my point was that they won't always want to be in that clothing
After all, how many people over the age of let's say 30 or 40 were wearing those costumes?

The context in which males get objectified can't be applied to the context in which females get objectified in most situations
Like the example I gave

What sales figures are you reading?
I honestly want to know, because everything I've read about the past decade is that sales have been up

Right, because one is an outlandish cartoon in which Yogi is not actually addicted
And the other is real life
We can study the effect it has on people user, we have done so

You could also, i dunno, listen to women?
I'm not coming up with this based on my own perspective--this entire argument isn't about one specific opinion being applied to the whole of people who didn't come up with it
>by your own logic. You lack the perspective to do so
please quote me where I said that

The power fantasy isn't about sex because then it'd be a sex fantasy
People in comics don't do the right thing and stop crime because it gets them babes--if it was a sex fantasy, then the focus would be on the relationships, not on the crime fighting

>You're talking ab out catering to a subset that doesn't. At the expense of those that do.
But I'm not saying that women can't be scantily clad, I'm saying that it shouldn't be in a way that reinforces negative attitudes towards women

But that implies it was made for any specific person or group of people
If you don't like the way in which Sex and the City portrays men, you don't have to put up with it, user, just because you think it's made for girls

Golden age cape comics are still there, you can read them anytime. Nobody's changing them so nobody's depriving you. While you are depriving me when you try to change my comics and I hope you get cancer for that, you tumor of society.

>that implies it was made for any specific person or group of people
Exactly. Just like comics are made for straight men that like sexy scantily clad women. God bless Japan for figuring this out immediately and telling cunts to shut up and fuck off, this genre of manga is for men and not for you.

>Right, because one is an outlandish cartoon in which Yogi is not actually addicted
>And the other is real life
>We can study the effect it has on people user, we have done so

Do you really believe that fictional women in comics who wears bikini armor are a negative portrayal of real women and think it will actually cause psychological damage to little children because they think kids can't handle cleavage?

>Literally the only people who have said shit like this to me are far-left feminists who assume that, because I'm male, I have no struggles in life.
>you should accept when you don't understand the perspective of groups different from your own
Isn't that just you
Male privilege doesn't mean that you'll never have struggles, but that other people face a multitude of struggles you don't face because you're a male
Again, not that you don't struggle, but that other people have struggles that you won't have because they are directly related to whether or not you're a male

see: No, that's not how security works
If someone makes you feel bad, then you aren't at fault for feeling bad
If an event or a poster on a wall makes you feel bad, then it's not that anyone in particular is at fault, but maybe people feel bad because it's just how they react to things rather than a conscious decision
>responsibility
Again, nothing about my argument is about how you or anyone is obligated to change things for the insecure
But because you are not obligated to change doesn't mean that there's no reason to change or that there is a reason to not change
And to clarify, just because you can come up with a reason not to change, doesn't mean that in every situation, an a non existence of an obligation to do something means there is a reason to not do something
And I'm only clarifying that because I wouldn't want you to argue that there is a reason to not change and think that it necessarily opposes the argument I'm making and trying to explain to you

Because the alternative is boob sweat. Which fuckin blows

>Just like comics are made for straight men that like sexy scantily clad women
But they aren't
That's not what comics are made for, and even if you could limit the argument down to "cape comics", that's still not what they were made for

I believe that it's not specifically the images existing, but the people propagating any negative beliefs in how a woman should look or act that cause psychological damage

You make me feel bad when you want to deprive me of my fun and entertainment. I don't see you caring about MY feelings.

>But they aren't
Who says they aren't? I make comics. I make them for a specific audience and if you don't fit in my audience your opinion doesn't matter. You can fuck off.

Sounds a LOT like gaming today. Dob't like walking sims or the new MK11's direction? TOO BAD INCEL. NO GAME FOR YOU. Sekiro doesn't have an easy mode? STOP THE PRESSES. THINK OF THE DISABLED! GAMES SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE.

Fuck those people. They want everything for themselves and openly have contempt for anyone else. SJWs don't care about inclusion. They mean THEIR inclusion and nobody else. Do what you like and don't let them shame you into giving up what you like for them, because they won't do the same for others.

>If someone makes you feel bad, then you aren't at fault for feeling bad
I disagree. You absolutely have it within your power to choose how much other people's words or actions affect you. And if you think you don't, it's a skill which can be acquired through therapy. I should know.

>I make them for a specific audience and if you don't fit in my audience your opinion doesn't matter
Sounds like you make bad comics
But hey, you're ignoring my opinion so I guess it doesn't matter because you've said that my opinion doesn't matter
So there's NO WAY you would ever respond to this post
And there's NO REASON anyone else would respond to this post

I don't get this
If there's a hard more AND an easy mode, then how is that a loss for anyone?
You have something and the disabled have something

>but we aren't so butthurt that we bleed out of our asses if some girl thinks a big muscled topless bear is a hunk
you people literally do just that on a regular basis

Choosing to let something effect you isn't the same as feeling bad
Therapy won't teach you to instantly block all negative emotions, it will however, teach you how to create situations in which you don't fee bad so you don't internalize anything

If anything, therapy won't tell you to just "ignore things you don't like"

>I believe that it's not specifically the images existing, but the people propagating any negative beliefs in how a woman should look or act that cause psychological damage

One fictional female in a book acting a certain way and dressing in a certain way doesn't reflect the other females in the same book nor every other female in every other book nor the entire female sex in real life either. It's just a character.

Reading this thread has pretty much reaffirmed my beliefs that I should make what I like and stop letting fear get the best of me. Also watching a lot of the "diversity is king" crowd be gatekeeping assholes themselves who care only about themselves and not others have now hardened my heart over their supposed "plights" they may have.

Tl;dr Don't be a Dobson.

>you don't cater to me so the comics you make must me be bad!
>you, vegan restaurant, don't cater to a carnivore like me so the food you make must be bad!
>you, candy shop, don't care to a diabetes patient like me and cater to people who don't have diabetes instead! You must be bad!

Why are you acting so disgustingly entitled?

Then pre-SJW comics will also be there. No big deal. Comics have always been changing through the decades.

>the character's return to her old body as repentance for past sins, but if this transgression is struck from the record, it's only replaced by another.
Wtf is this insipid twaddle?!?

But I see you have no problem ignoring my post when I point what a horrible hypocrite you are, whining how nobody cares about you when you're the first not to care about others.

>Then pre-SJW comics will also be there
Not really, since you are changing them specifically to deprive me.

Becsuse the developers chose it that way. They've been doing that since day 1 when they made Demon's Souls and ironically, they have more mainstream success for it than their Armored Core games. Regardless, easy mode or not, you don't use the disabled as a cheap emotional argument as to why the game should have an easy mode.

>this fucking guy
I'm amazed at how you can consistently keep traveling further up your own arse with every post.

Either he's a fantastic devil's advocate, or a real live SJW. (And yes. They do exist on Yea Forums. They stay away from Yea Forums, Yea Forums, Yea Forums and Yea Forums. Besides, who's going to know that they go there unless they're screencapping this thread to show their peers on why we are so problematic.

It's not about disableds. People who just are't good at VGs should be able to see the full storyline in HQ.

>Well compare Harley's costume to any other female in fiction
I specified her skanky ass costume (from suicide squad) for a reason, dummy.

Why does latex stick to every single muscle as if it were painted on? Its heroic nudity, these characters are so strong and self assured that they don't need to cover their bodies. Also, easier for artists to draw nude people in action poses and make them look natural.

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I ignored that post as a joke
I'm purposefully making you feel bad so that you can understand what it's like when you make me feel bad
Now that you know, I'll respond to this post

But it's most females in a lot of cape comics
It reinforces something that a lot of women would rather live without
ie, those negative stereotypes that a woman should be a specific way

I thought my opinion didn't matter
But if you really want it...
If I'm a critic and I'm not the target audience, I sure hope that you wouldn't ignore good advice just because I'm not the target audience
Not that I'm specifically giving you criticism right now in order to make your comic better (I haven't even read it)
But my post was more about how it can be a bad thing if you're totally unwilling to listen to any sort of criticism if it's not from people you already want to listen to

Okay, so I just researched this Sekiro controversy and it sounds more like people want equal accessibility rather than just an "easy mode"
That's a great way to meet people halfway

And that is the REAL truth in the matter. Game journalist feel like they are entitled to have everything spoonfed to them. It's just scummy that they latch on to the disabled to make their argument "stronger"

>lot of women
Citation needed.
And even if you provide one that means you're saying a niche product isn't allowed to be niche.

Yeah, I know
Harley was and probably is much more popular than most super hero costumes, even the sexy ones now
Like, I did a quick search and din't even realize this costume was a thing because everyone is specifically wearing the Suicide Squad version
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Which makes me think--it's an outlier

What does it being an outlier matter?

>And even if you provide one that means you're saying a niche product isn't allowed to be niche.
But cape comics aren't niche and haven't been niche ever
They've literally always been in the mainstream

the popularity of Harley's costume does not mean that is how women always want to dress when given the opportunity

So basically, I could make almost every female modestly dress but the minute I add ONE that looks like Mai Shiranui or Iroha, then I am an enemy to women everywhere so I should never do it period because it erases all the good I've done?

Are you the director of Mortal Kombat 11?

As for the Sekiro thing, that's not how it started. It started because some dipshit said "think of the disabled" and then got schooled by a disabled gamer who's good at the game, which made them angrier. Yoy are pulling this "mott and bailey" bullshit to make the other side of the argument look unreasonable.

>I'm purposefully making you feel bad so that you can understand what it's like when you make me feel bad
>she thought all her bullshit didn't ALREADY make me feel bad
And yet I am better than you, I don't go shit up your stuff demanding you change to cater to my tastes, I just ignore you and focus on what I like instead. Why can't you do the same? Are you inferior to me? You must be, but just because you're inferior to me does not mean I should ruin my enjoyment of something for you, you do nothing good for me.

>I sure hope that you wouldn't ignore good advice just because I'm not the target audience
Why are assuming yours is "good advice"? If it lessens my enjoyment of something it's not good advice, it's shit advice I should ignore as it's not doing me any good.

>in order to make your comic better
But from what I've gathered ITT you don't make my comic better. You make it worse. I don't like your ideas, they're shitty and boring and bad, and my comic would be a lot worse for me if I were so stupid to listen to you.

>I just ignore you
???

You don't see me whining about women-oriented media. I don't like it, I ignore it. Not my problem if you can't do the same.

>You don't see me whining about women-oriented media
I really don't get this one, like wow
please explain a bit further user

>our culture is built upon christianity

How so? The major Christian sects, including Catholicism, Protestantism and Orthodox, worked against the enlightenment, industrial revolution and the separation of religion and state, all of which are more foundational to our current situation. And we shouldnt forget that much of our philosophy, statecraft and law has its roots in Pagan Greece and Rome.

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>But it's most females in a lot of cape comics
>It reinforces something that a lot of women would rather live without
>ie, those negative stereotypes that a woman should be a specific way

Ugh... I'm so tired of arguing. Fine whatever, you won the argument; whatever it was, I don't care anymore.

Can we stop getting mad at bait for a second so I can ask how Bomb Queen got an animated short?

Thanks!

Whatever you like and I don't, I'm not whining and crying to have it changed to suit MY tastes. I ignore it and turn my attention to what I like.
You on the other hand are literally throwing a tantrum because how dare people cater to anyone other than you.

>that paranoia
Yea Forums isn't a secret club, they're everywhere. You just won't know it because they don't always engage in controversy. Unless they only become SJWs when they engage in controversy.

Then don't read cape comics. You can easily live without cape comics. Why don't you go read shoujo manga instead?

Why do male have skin tight outfits? both have a simple reasoning, comic artist and writes are pervs who enjoy drawing hot people doing things.

>They've literally always been in the mainstream
Lol. If that were true they wouldn't be in tiny specialist brick and mortar stores.

I want to be the first to say that I am an ally of the large breasted women community. #breastsarebeautiful

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>So basically, I could make almost every female modestly dress but the minute I add ONE that looks like Mai Shiranui or Iroha, then I am an enemy to women everywhere so I should never do it period because it erases all the good I've done?
Now you're getting it.
"We're not taking all of them away" is just fuckers being disingenuous.

>Whatever you like and I don't
>I ignore it and turn my attention to what I like.
I think I have it this time, but I don't want to insult you by trying to explain what I think you mean
I'm just not sure I get it fully

That's not Bomb Queen.

Do you have brain damage?

Makes more sense if they're masked. They can show off and get away with it.

Also, it may be because they prefer distractiong opponents and/or not getting weighed down with heavier armour.

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But most comic shops don't only sell comics in a way that model train stores only sell model train materials

Comic books stores are getting further and further from specialist and not only that but you can still just buy comics online

Not sure I understand the question

That's irrelevant. Manga stores sell all kinds of manga, but manga is still divided into demographics because one specific genre is made for and sells to one demographic and not another.

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>That's irrelevant
So are we talking about how comics are in the mainstream or are we talking about different genres again?
Because cape comics don't have to have female heroes who wear a bunch of revealing clothing

Yes they do. If they want the male audience, they do.

because the person that created made them that way

people keep trying to make excuses about how the lore explains it and it's not just some artist being horny but in the end someone designed them like that, someone decided their backstory explained them being dressed like that

it's just people being horny

It's pretty telling that this post gets ignored because it points out how the "we're not taking what you like away" clashes with "what you like is harmful to women so stop liking it you misogynist"

You can't argue for both.

Yes they do.

>If they want the male audience, they do.
But I'm a guy and I don't have to have scantily clad women for me to be interested in a story
And everyone ITT may like revealing clothing, maybe they have a favorite outfit, but they don't specifically read cape comics for the boobs
Nor would knowing more about boobs mean that you're the target audience for cape comics

Oh come on, This whole thread you guys have been accusing the other of being virgin neets for daring to defend idealized characters.

And maybe that's not inherently a bad thing. After all, what was YOUR first boner wjen you were young? Are we really making the argument to take away everything that might give first boners to teenagers?

I just didn't see the post user

You realize I'm just one dude right
Like fuck off I guess

Here's my response
Revealing clothes aren't necessarily a bad thing unless it reinforces negative stereotypes about women
I've said that so many fucking times that honestly you aren't arguing with me but an imaginary opponent that you want to argue with, but are too afraid to go outside of Yea Forums to argue with

And I admitted that I only just looked into the Sekiro thing, so if I got something wrong, well hey, that's on me

Reminds me of this

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>But I'm a guy
Huh-huh.

I want sexy women in my stories. No sexy women, I don't care for your shit. You don't matter in my decisions. I specifically don't read comics that don't feature characters I like, which includes sexy women with their boobs out. If you don't have sexy women, I don't read your comic.

>Nor would knowing more about boobs mean that you're the target audience for cape comics
And? You're not the target audience for my comics but I don't see you respecting that.

>aren't necessarily a bad thing unless it reinforces negative stereotypes about women
So all it takes is one woman crying "waaa this hurts my feelings" to warrant me getting depraved of what I like entirely?

Is this a troll?

>Huh-huh.
If there was anything to actually trigger me in this thread, it's people who type out "Huh-huh" instead of Uh Huh

So are you that one dude who says he makes comics and insists that he's ignoring my opinion?
Because if so, you have to tell me, I can't be sure, but I think there might be a Yea Forums rule about that

Let me rephrase something I typed out in the post you responded to
>knowing more about sexy female superhero costumes doesn't mean you're the target audience
because I wanted to specifically state that cape comics aren't specifically about sexy superhero outfits

The artist is entitled to cater to themselves too and draw anything as THEY like. Do you think artists are your slaves that should cater to you for free? You aren't commissioning them to draw specifically what you want and you're free not to buy their art if you don't like it.

An imaginary opponent called "Bikini Armour Battle Damage". Yep, so far everything I've read from you sounded like that those guys/girls who run that blog. The only difference is that they rail against porn games too for making revealing armoured women. And when they DO find a design that's modest, they change the faces to suit their liking. So no, i'm not creating a strawman. At worse, I'm railing against the weakest link.

The most amusing part of this headline is that it says "now"

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Are you deprived user?
Can you say without a doubt that there are no more women in sexy outfits in all comics that have come out in the past year?

People will say I'm a troll because they don't agree with me, but actually I'm only trolling this guy

>cape comics aren't specifically about sexy superhero outfits
Yes they are. That's the reason I buy them.

>An imaginary opponent called "Bikini Armour Battle Damage"
So go argue with them, damn

>Are you deprived user?
I would be if you got your way. I don't want that to happen of course.

>tumblr gif
Fucking kill yourself

what negative stereotypes about women are being reinforced by revealing clothing?
what is an example of a sexy costume you find to be acceptable?

Don't need to since you're using their hypocritical arguments here.

>as the consumer, my personal reasons dictate what the manufacturer designed a product for
?????

>I would be if you got your way. I don't want that to happen of course.
I already got my way
There's plenty of great female representation in comics now and there will be plenty more in the future
You guys really haven't read through the rest of the thread, huh

Why is revealing clothing reinforcing stereotypes at all? If I dress a certain way am I "reinforcing stereotypes"? Is user saying I'm not free to dress as I want anymore?

And watch as they ignore this post as if they were never kids tmwho got turned on by things that weren't porn but have attractive ladies in it.

see this
Pretty damn revealing and sexy, right?

Oh, so you're too scared to go outside of your safespace
I get it, it's okay user

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>I want to be the first to say that I am an ally of the large breasted women community.
Same #tittymonstersarenotmonsters

Why are you so fucking mad about someone NOT responding to you as if that person is still ITT and not just replying from the fucking front page

like damn, calm down

>as the consumer, my personal reasons dictate what the manufacturer designed a product for
Pretty much. We call that "marketing".

>I already got my way
Clearly you didn't since you're here whining about comics that don't cater to you. Or are you admitting it won't be enough until everything you don't like is destroyed from the media? As long as there's comics that feature sexy women, are you going to whine about their existence no matter how great female representation in other comics is?

You're the one trying to get me to change my ways. I don't have to prove that my way is good and just, you have to prove that my way is wrong amd evil.

...

well, actors do enter into contracts with designers to wear their clothes

>Pretty much. We call that "marketing".
??? (pic related)


>Clearly you didn't since you're here whining about comics that don't cater to you.
you could just take me at face value
All of the "shitty sjw comics" people talked about in here are a win, even if squirrel girl was really bad
More women in the industry aint actually a bad thing
More women in the fanbase aint actually a bad thing

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Could you run that by me again, I really don't get it

Because it's telling that the poster's only going to reply to the posters who he thinks he can "beat" in the argument. He'll never come to terms with his hypocrisy.

answered you man, she's already got her way and she even admitted there already is great female representation in comics, but that's still not enough because there still are comics out there that cater to you and not her, and that's not acceptable to her. In her mind the idea of someone ignoring her is unacceptable, that's how entitled she is. She won't be satisfied until there's absolutely nothing for you anymore.

>That's because it's something men like seeing

>It's not about the fact that beefy big brawny dudes exist, it's about the fact that we get to see them punch a bunch of dudes with those beefy big brawny muscles

Why do you get to tell men how they feel about how the male physique is portrayed in comics? This is something I never got about comics feminists such as yourself, you scream bloody murder when any man makes a broad sweeping statement about how women feel about their portrayal in comics but you turn around and make similar assumption about men.

Personally, I don't particularly like heavily muscled heroes like Superman or Batman, I prefer the gymnst physique, such as Spiderman.

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please don't read that far into a post to the OP like 500 posts into the thread

>anyone who wants more female representation is a girl
I really don't get it
I really don't
Not even in a joking way
But hey, if you really feel the need to strawman me, that's for you user
I'm giving that to you, whatever you need to make you feel more secure

>All of the "shitty sjw comics" people talked about in here are a win
In which alternate universe?

You don't want more female representation, you want to deprive males of what they want. You could make your own comics that cater to female representation, but you choose not to do that, instead you demand to change comics that already exist and that already have an audience so you can deprive that audience of what they enjoy. You want male exclusion.

>I prefer the gymnst physique, such as Spiderman.
And you have that
Spider-Man has consistently done better than Superman and Batman, so there's plenty of representation as far as that goes

And even then, you also see Spider-man's physique in tons of other heroes like the majority of side kicks like the Robins, most non-physical characters that deal with tech and the majority of younger heroes

You know what's the scary thing? This is their reasonable representaion of a SJW. The ones on ResetEra and Twitter are WAY WORSE. At least here they won't ban or dox you. And when this thread gets deleted or archived, they're not going to hound you.

I have to ask, are you for my specific argument or against?
Not that the answer will change, just want to know why you think what you think
It counts as a win, because it's progress towards a much better situation
Sure it starts with a few crappy comics, but then it becomes a few good comics, and then a lot of good comics

Damn, you caught me
After 511+ posts, this was the one to make me break and say "I just really hate men"
Because regardless of everything I've said in this thread, this one opinion about what I've been arguing (Rather than actual things that I've said) has cut to the core of the issue

>Spider-Man has consistently done better than Superman and Batman, so there's plenty of representation
Says who? It's not nearly enough for me. I want more representation. Side kicks, non-physical characters or younger heroes are not good enough representation.

Man, does everything have to be a secret cabal?
I'm not a "representation of an SJW" I'm just someone who's willing to listen to the niche, minority voices that you guys don't want to and actively want to gatekeep
and by you I don't mean you specifically, if anything, I mean the dude who said that gatekeeping is a good thing like 300 posts ago

>It counts as a win, because it's progress towards a much better situation
Are you bullshitting me? It's a net loss because it's degeneration into a much shittier situation. It starts with a few crappy comics, and then it becomes a few horrible comics, and then a lot of horrible comics.

Women ruin everything be it politics or business.

>Side kicks, non-physical characters or younger heroes are not good enough representation.
But that's what everybody is getting
That's what the SJWs are getting when they introduce Riri, Moongirl, Ms Marvel and so on and so forth

Why do you get more?

>It's a net loss because it's degeneration into a much shittier situation. It starts with a few crappy comics, and then it becomes a few horrible comics, and then a lot of horrible comics.
I don't think that Ms Marvel is all that bad
I think it's gotten a lot better desu

Now you're just being sexist
It's not even an argument at this point

>I just really hate men
Well you're the one that's showing contempt at anyone who ignores your opinions.

Shut up you fucking hole. Stick to your entry level garbage. It’s literally made for you. Most women and men like protagonists that don’t look disgusting or frumpy. It’s not Wonder Woman’s fault you’re a dateles fatass.

>But that's what everybody is getting
Not at all, sjws are getting their own series like Amerikkka and Fat Hillary. Not my fault they all flop because they're shit. Me, I'm not getting anything. You only think I get "more" because people actually buy what I enjoy.

Because if ResetEra is any indication, you guys want to do it to us when you have the power. Look at MK11, how they gloat about "taking away problematic things" from the shitlords. Anyome who objecst get banned and doxed. So yeah, I'm paranoid because it happened before and it will happen again and again and again.

Women are fine if it’s only a few getting involved. But at a certain point their cliche hive mind asserts itself and their maternal instinct causes them to placate losers in the name of equality and inclusion.

Making superheroes ugly is a stupid fucking idea and you should feel bad for championing it like it’s a moral crusade.

>I don't think that Ms Marvel is all that bad
Your opinion doesn't matter to me.

>women wearing less sexy clothing makes them ugly
that's the shit I don't like

>if ResetEra is any indication
>you guys
so we're doing that thing where we just group two parties with similar thinking together
oh

>Me, I'm not getting anything
It's hard to argue against a dude whose opinion is "I don't like anything", because you could just lie about what you do like
So I won't

>Stick to your entry level garbage. It’s literally made for you
Isn't that the point?
Things are being mad for me and people who think like me?

So why are you whining that there are also things that are not being made for you and people who think like you?

Then don't respond to my posts
Like is it hard to be a hypocrite?
If your entire argument is "If you don't like something, ignore it"
Like, even if you do respond because you want to show me that my argument is wrong
If I fuck off because you responded to me, then that would prove my argument right
That speaking up is the only way to change things
And that just ignoring stuff isn't the best way to confront things you don't like

Which is something I've mentioned multiple times ITT

But hey, if my opinion doesn't matter, then I guess nobody will respond to this post

Gee, what a waste of a post

>So why are you whining that there are also things that are not being made for you and people who think like you?
When did I say that things aren't being made for me and people like me?

Also, damn
I've gotten so many gets
If I get doubles or some shit, I'm out, that's too much luck wasted on schooling you fools

>And even then, you also see Spider-man's physique in tons of other heroes like the majority of side kicks like the Robins, most non-physical characters that deal with tech and the majority of younger heroes

And its a good thing I like that type of physique, but I in no way identify with it, that kind if body is very hard to achieve, you basically have to exercise for a living, eg. being a gymnast. But what if I wanted to see a more 'realistically' portrayed male hero? How many heroes have dad bods? Minor avengers spoiler ahead Thors dad body was treated as a joke Why is it assumed that idealized forms help men and harm women.

>>skimpy clothing on female heroes is what gives comics good writing
It kind of does. Nine times out of ten these days when a female character gets covered up it comes with a shift in the political balance of the writing and she starts fighting thinly veiled metaphors for the patriarchy instead of the zany supervillains and genre tropes that her male counterparts get to combat.

>Then don't respond to my posts
Why? Am I not free to tell my thoughts when you have been doing nothing but that all thread even though nobody asked you? Why are you so entitled that you think only you matter, that just because you don't like something everyone should stop catering to everyone else?

>When did I say that things aren't being made for me and people like me?
So why are you whining that there are also things that are not being made for you and people who think like you? Why are you complaining that some people don't cater to you?

>Can you say without a doubt that there are no more women in sexy outfits in all comics that have come out in the past year?
Yes, actually. The number is decreasing over time, with no replacements.

Well you and your lot do it to the rest of us when we disagree with you. Calling us and incel virgins. Why should YOU get special treatment? Places like Twitter and ResetEra have done so much damage to everything remotely enjoyable in life. So forgive me if I lump yu with THEM, because they make the same arguments that sounded reasonable at first until they showed their true colours.

Hell, look at the YA Book community. Witch hunys galore, but they all started from the same place you are in woth your arguments.

This. In the past, it didn't used to be the case. But now modestly dressed heroes come with the baggage of being a preachy know it all.

Nobody is assuming that
We had a whole deal about toxic masculinity earlier in the thread

But idealized male forms in the sense that it's a big beefy dude are a male power fantasy
That doesn't mean it's necessarily your specific fantasy or that you want that fantasy
If your idealized form is Spider-man, that's fine
If your idealized form is you, that's fine too
While thor getting fat was treated as a joke initially, there really weren't a lot of fat jokes after the scene and nobody really referenced it after the initial reveal, and honestly, I thought it made Thor look more like an actual Norse God

At the same time, there are either 0 attempts or really poorly written ones to justify why someone would wear something like Respond if you want, it's a free country
But you literally said that my opinion didn't matter to you
I guess I was having a hard time understanding why you'd respond to people whose opinions don't matter to you
Please explain

Again, when did I say that things aren't being made for me and people who think like me?

>are there 0 iterations of this thing
>yes, and it's always decreasing
?????

Okay, but have I called you an incel or a virgin?
Me specifically?

>>are there 0 iterations of this thing
>>yes, and it's always decreasing
>?????
Yes user. When you take something away every year without adding more, the overall number decreases. It's like the ice caps.

Do you actually know the reasoning behind ?

>when did I say that things aren't being made for me and people who think like me?
When you whined that sexy women hurt your fee-fees and hurt the fee-fees of women. Those sexy women are being made for men who like them, not for you. Yet here you are whining about their existence and want them gone because they hurt your fee-fees, while not giving a shit about how anyone who likes them and wants them feels.

>people point out my hypocrisy
>gotta play dumb and pretend I don't understand what they want
Pathetic.

It's 500+ posts, and to your credit, maybe you didn't. However, I've seen a similar thread like this before and "incel" and "have sex" gets spammed a lot whenever someone disagrees wit them about problematic women designs in comics. So maybe you don't, but your peers do.

Okay, so if there are 0 of something
And there aren't any more the next year
Is it decreasing?

Motherfucker, do you?

>When you whined that sexy women hurt your fee-fees and hurt the fee-fees of women
Well, I'll just pretend that was an accurate representation of my argument and say "yeah, they do"
>Those sexy women are being made for men who like them, not for you.
Yeah, but that's not the issue
The issue is that people take the way those fictional women look and compare them to women who honestly don't want to be compared to them and make them feel bad

I'm not against sexy drawings, I'm against the negative repercussions of those drawings

But please, please explain why you not caring about my opinions means that you really want to respond to my posts

Yes. Because you're still taking away.
Stop shitposting.

>So maybe you don't, but your peers do.
So go argue with them if you want to be mad about getting called an incel

>The issue is that people take the way those fictional women look and compare them to women who honestly don't want to be compared to them and make them feel bad
This only happens inside your head and I have no ability control what happens there. So fuck off.

>you're taking away from 0
>to get 0
>this is a decrease
????

How is that any different? "I'm not against weed, I'm against the negative repurcussions against taking weed for recreation."

You're basically saying we should NEVER make someone like Mai Shiranui even once because she could harm women, even if everyone else is modestly dressed. Never depict someone like her PERIOD.

And yet here, Thor being portrayed as a fat joke affected this user
So obviously it's definitely possible that the portrayal of people who don't meet an idealized standard can affect people
and the portrayal of women in media can affect women

They use mass autoblockers so I can't anyway.

If you take away from zero you get negative one.
This is elementary school level math and somehow you're not grasping it.

>"I'm not against weed, I'm against the negative repurcussions against taking weed for recreation."
What's wrong with this
If there are bad things associated with weed and there are negative repercussions, then shouldn't we work to get rid of those?

>You're basically saying we should NEVER make someone like Mai Shiranui even once because she could harm women, even if everyone else is modestly dressed. Never depict someone like her PERIOD.
Only if you're saying that immodestly dressed women will only ever have negative repercussions against women
Which you aren't
So I'm not

>that's not the issue
That is the issue. What people that aren't the target audience for sexy drawings do with sexy drawings doesn't matter. They shouldn't be looking at those drawings in the first place. They're not for them, so why are they whining? Don't read them. They're not for you. You don't get to complain that you didn't like a cake that wasn't baked for you in the first place. If it makes them feel bad, they can fuck off and go away.

>I'm against the negative repercussions of those drawings
That are completely outside the control of those who enjoy the sexy drawings, so you want to punish innocents by depriving the A of what A enjoys because B feels bad, even though B's feelings have nothing to do with A.

Sounds like a you problem

But we aren't talking about negative examples of something existing user
We're talking about the fact that you said "yes" to the question "are there no more examples" which means 0
So you can't decrease from 0 to 0

>If there are bad things associated with weed and there are negative repercussions, then shouldn't we work to get rid of those?
No? I have no negative repercussions and your problems are not mine.

Yeah, you can.
You can decrease the number of scanitly clad comic book women. You can add zero scantily clad comic book women. Doing both decreases the number of scantily clad comic book women, and then causes cunts like you to claim 'we're not getting rid of anything" as if the rest of us can't fucking count.

>That is the issue.
But I just told you what my argument is

>That are completely outside the control of those who enjoy the sexy drawings
Not completely outside the control of
To start, you could stop letting people say shit like or start including/supporting positive examples of female representation

In this thread alone there are plenty of times where you can stop someone in the comic fandom who is insulting another person just because they might have a vagina

>affected this user
Not really, just because user points out something doesn't mean they get "affected" like dumb women do.

>the portrayal of women in media can affect women
And? Women can fuck off and go consume something that doesn't affect them. They're not my problem.

>No? I have no negative repercussions and your problems are not mine.
Alright, so if there are negative repercussions, shouldn't I work to get rid of those?
You don't have to participate, you can just let the change happen around you

So in this case, we aren't starting at 0 examples of revealing costumes
We are starting at a different number that is greater than 0

>Not completely outside the control of
Yes, completely outside my control. I can only control my feelings, not yours. How you react to things is your doing, not mine.

>you could stop letting people say shit
Calling for censorship and suppression of different thought? That's disgusting.

>start including/supporting
Why? I don't want to. I gain nothing from doing that and I lose a lot. I'm no going to act against my interest.

Wait a minute..

How come we have to police our own, but when I pointed out Twitter or ResetEra, "it's not your problem?" So you lot ate the only ones who should be exempt from that rule? So SJWs can act like cunts while the rest of us have to cater to them or else?

>Not really, just because user points out something doesn't mean they get "affected" like dumb women do.
If it didn't affect him, why would he bring it up?
If there's something that doesn't affect you whatsoever, why bring it up in a conversation about how something affects you and how you feel about representation?

>Women can fuck off and go consume something that doesn't affect them
But women not consuming something doesn't mean the people around them will not affect them
remember, this isn't about some fat chick looking at a hot girl and crying
This is an user who empathizes with someone who has been mocked for being fat

0 is the number being added dumbfuck.

>How come we have to police our own, but when I pointed out Twitter or ResetEra, "it's not your problem?"
I don't go to those sites though
I'm here on Yea Forums and I'm not affiliated with twitter or ResetEra

So that's why I'm saying it's not my problem if people on sites that aren't the one that we are on right now has a specific policy

Do you want me to go create an account that and say I should let you talk on those sites?
Because I'm pretty sure if I do, I'll get banned too

>Alright, so if there are negative repercussions, shouldn't I work to get rid of those?
Given that they're not my problem, you can fuck off with that shit. Make your own comics.

>if there are negative repercussions, shouldn't I work to get rid of those
No, because you are depriving me then when there are absolutely no negative repercussions for me, therefore you are depriving me for no reason, you are harming me and you have no right to do that. I am not a B citizen.

>you can just let the change happen
That's like saying "you don't have to participate in your house robbery, you just have to let the robbery happen around you". Retarded.

Okay, but that's still not a decrease if we start at 0
That's nothing
That's 0 change

>remember, this isn't about some fat chick looking at a hot girl and crying
This is literally all its ever about.

>Make your own comics.
That's happening RIGHT NOW
ie
Ms. Marvel, MoonGirl, etc etc

Is your argument that I should only help you?
Or is it that I should try to find a way to help everyone?

I think it's pretty telling that you keep trying to argue a point no one is making.

>If it didn't affect him, why would he bring it up?
To point out the hypocrisy of your kind. You whine about people not caring about you, but you're the first not to care about others.


>women not consuming something doesn't mean the people around them will not affect them
Not my problem. What, women want to control my life now? Women want me to be a slave with no life or thought of my own because my existence affects them someway? Why is it that you don't care about how women affect me, but you expect me not to have a life anymore to cater to women's fee-fees?

Well at least you are aware that they're not exactly tolerant people. Here's the deal, we do what you say. What happens? These guys will take over and walk all over us, gloating about how they've taken comics away from the shitlords.

Right. So there's no reason to change Psylocke or She Hulk. Oh but wait you gotta do that too because it might affect someone.

>That's happening RIGHT NOW
So why are you whining that there are also comics not being made for you?

>Is your argument that I should only help you?
I don't need your help. All I want from you is that you shut up, fuck off, and let me enjoy my sexy women in peace.

In this specific case, we have an example of someone affected by a fat joke, as if being fat means that the character is useless or something
Which other people might repeat and internalize on either perspective

I'm just waiting for dubs like I said back here

>So why are you whining that there are also comics not being made for you?
This times ten thousand.

>Which other people might repeat and internalize on either perspective
Refer back to the earlier point of that being a you problem and you can fuck off with that shit.

So you're saying that
I'm talking about how another person feels
But that proves that I don't care about how others feel

>What, women want to control my life now
No, they just don't want their interactions with you to be wholly negative
I mean, technically you can call them cunts and try to molest them, and any attempts to prevent that would be controlling you, but I really don't think that's the argument you're trying to make

>Here's the deal, we do what you say. What happens?
Why would you guys be considered the shitlords if you do what I say?
Wouldn't the shitlords either
A. Be non-existent
or
B. A completely different group?

She-Hulk, maybe, but I'm pretty sure the main issue with Psylocke has to do with race rather than body positivity

>So why are you whining that there are also comics not being made for you?
but when did I do that

>I don't need your help. All I want from you is that you shut up, fuck off, and let me enjoy my sexy women in peace.
So you want me to do my own thing, my own thing being making sure that women have positive representation
And if that so happens to mean sexy women leaving completely forever, you don't want anyone to try and prevent that from happening?
Okay user
I tried

I'll stop responding to you now

>Refer back to the earlier point of that being a you problem and you can fuck off with that shit.
But it's also the problem of the other user more so than my problem
I liked Thor being fat because it was realistic
The other user didn't
Why am I bringing up his feelings if I don't care?
How is it my problem alone?

She Hulk and Carol then

Because while you are making Ms Marvel, you're also toning down She Hulk as well. If you're only doing the former, we wouldn't be having this argument.

those dresses are very nice

No, you're only talking about how women feel. You're repeatedly ignoring how we feel. You don't care about us who love sexy women.

>they just don't want their interactions with you to be wholly negative
And again, that's completely outside my control since I can't control their feelings, I can only control mine. I'm over here looking at sexy women minding my own business, however women feel at that is their problem and not mine. They have no right to deprive me of what I enjoy, my life has nothing to do with them.

>All I want from you is that you shut up, fuck off, and let me enjoy my sexy women in peace
>So you want me to do my own thing
No user, I said want you to shut up, fuck off, and let me enjoy my sexy women in peace.

It's not my problem.

a very good point

Are you saying you would prevent sexy women from leaving completely forever, when that's exactly what you want to happen? Are you retarded?
If you don't want sexy women to disappear forever, tell bitches to shut up and fuck off when they complain about sexy comic women existing. You are not doing that.

That comic's a bad argument since it is a living stereotype of "woke" comics. Both art and writing.

>No, you're only talking about how women feel. You're repeatedly ignoring how we feel. You don't care about us who love sexy women.
But I'm literally talking to you RIGHT NOW
This harkens back to a BUNCH of posts about how dudes ITT said that they didn't care about my opinions and STILL responded
How can you prove that someone who is willing to engage in a conversation with you doesn't care about how you feel?

But if that's your argument, I can stop talking to you at any time
That really won't change how comics are changing, but at the very least you can feel more secure in that you don't have a voice

If anything, She-Hulk fits more into the male power fantasy now than ever before

Am I?
Please start quoting me

I posted that comic as an example of things that don't appeal to anyone on Yea Forums

if gays and transsexuals and bisexuals want that type of crossdressing and get-up marketed to them, I'd honestly have no problem with it, so long as they stop encroaching upon heterosexual interests. i do have to say that I find nothing attractive about that particular set-up, and I don't understand this obsession to clothe up everyone from head to toe. Nobody should be ashamed of showing off who they are. Skin is not evil nor is nudity a bad thing.

You got your dubs. You can go ahead and fuck off now.

>I'm literally talking to you RIGHT NOW
And you're completely ignoring what we say, how we feel about this. You're not talking, you're attacking, and complaining at being attacked back.

>How can you prove that someone who is willing to engage in a conversation with you doesn't care about how you feel?
Easy, look at your posts. You have been repeatedly explained why sexy women are important to us, yet you ignore it all and push for us to ignore our own interests too because muh wimminz feel boo-hoo. Fuck women, they want to hurt me and deprive me, they can throw themselves in a ditch.

>Am I?
Are you? Only you can answer.