>Dosen't die like a hero or something in some sort of battle
>Just gets beaten to death by a bunch of guys she could have torn apart limb from fucking limb with ease.
I really hate Rosenberg.
>Dosen't die like a hero or something in some sort of battle
>Just gets beaten to death by a bunch of guys she could have torn apart limb from fucking limb with ease.
I really hate Rosenberg.
Am I the only one who found this page very problematic and transphobic?
Lots of people do. Well, "lots" relative to the few who still give a fuck about Rosenberg's Uncanny.
The best thing that can happen at this point is for Age of X-Man to mercy kill his run by erasing it from existence when it concludes.
Amazing two times in a row he has female characters lose the will to fight back and either suicide or get beaten up by low-level shitheads for nothing but "drama" and darkness. I hope he gets a clue shit like this is why the X-Men are uncool while the Avengers can make a billion in their sleep on film.
Don't forget Loa, who presumably was killed in an equally pathetic way off-panel and just left as a bloody heap in the streets.
Sounds like a sex thing.
Lame
Because they've got a film franchise with the best marketing?
say she did fight back and repelled them without killing them, how much damage will happen once they spin it that she was the aggressor?
Even if I bought this whole "she didn't want to fight back because muh pacifism" thing, SHE COULD HAVE JUST FUCKING RUN AWAY. She could have turned into her wolf form and easily outran these bozos.
>found this page very problematic and transphobic?
Easy solution: Stop pretending you're a normal girl.
>she could have torn apart limb from fucking limb with ease.
>because muh pacifism thing, SHE COULD HAVE JUST FUCKING RUN AWAY.
This and This, Rosenberg a shit.
I think that’s part of what the scene was meant to ape? Transphobia and violence against-
Look, its heavy handed as fuck Modern X-Men. I should not have to spell this shit out for you.
Honestly, why not go on a killing spree? Just start killing racists and the republicans would finally be forced out of the house.
God, this run is infinitely frustrating.
And you know it'll just become about Scott and Logan competing over Jean when she comes back and Jean will be the clueless cunt she always is.
>transphobic
This is Yea Forums, user, not Metafilter.
>transphobic
I keep hearing people complaining about how this is transphobic, but I don't get it. She got beat up and killed cause she was a mutie
It's obviously alluding to a tranny getting beat up for "tricking" them and "pretending to be a normal girl". It's pretty on the nose.
oh ok, that makes sense now.
Still makes more sense than Loa's bullshit death. A girl that dissolves matter on contact by negating the binding forces between molecules gets killed by a regular human with a regular weapon.
Considering it's all Academy kids and Rahne that have died so far this better end with Elixir saying fuck everything and bringing them back to life.
At least they didn't go full Boys Don't Cry and gang rape her first.
>A girl that dissolves matter on contact by negating the binding forces between molecules
It's been quite a while since I read the Utopia era ... but couldn't she basically 'swim' through the ground sorta like Shadowcat does? So even if she didn't want to fight she should have been able to just disappear?
Sort of, stuff doesn't reform after she moves through it so jump thrpugh a wall and a goop of disassociated brick molecules gets left behind and people could follow.
More importantly Loa is from the "all my friends got killed by Purifiers" generation and like every other survivor of it she has blood on her hands and would almost certainly kill someone that tried to lynch her.
I'm guessing Rahne is alive and that her death was faked. Mostly likely suspect -- Emma Frost.
hmm, I wonder if this will be played up in a way to make the X-men realize they need Emma. Cause she would totally fake deaths for that. She's a good mommy
So the new Hellfire clubs leadership is Blindfold, Loa, and Rahne?
This.
That is too hopeful for the X Men.
I want to fap to this but it's too retarded
The ironic thing about this is that the only type of person that trans society are actually in danger from are the degenerates that are attracted to them.
Why couldn't she transform to fend them off?
It's X-Men, no shit.
It could have been way worse but yeah. It's pretty stupid. I don't think this issue was as bad as the last issue in terms of managing the stupidity.
She did on reflex but that only make them more angry. It's stupid and it makes run feel like it doesn't know what it plans to do.
But Juggernaut is an X-Man again, who the fuck cares about that shitty D-List character called Wolfsbane
Muties are made to suffer
Rosenberg fucking sucks
ha that would be terrible ha ha
He doesnt, nothing makes sense and Larroca's art makes everything feel like a parody of X-Men.
I unironically prefer Gold and Blue over this shit.
Larroca didn't draw this. I don't know if he got replaced or if it's only for this issue. I do agree the run is pretty aimless for now.
Post full context?
Doesn't even look like Rahne
Yea Forums in a nutshell
All of the other X-Men got trapped inside X-Man's head with implied help from Legion for a mini-event. The remaining X-Men got pulled back together when Cyclops got revived. Rahne said she was tired of the X-Men and Cyclops let her go and live the normal life she wanted. This is a psychic flashback by Kwannon showing Logan how a bunch of kids killed her after finding out that she's a mutant. Some mercenaries shows up that wants revenge against Logan while he was talking and asking the kids to fight back after giving them weapons. It's implied that he killed them all.
I know he didnt. I was talking about the run in general
Yeah agree.
Hell she wouldn’t even have to fend them off. She could have easily transformed and ran away from them. No way in hell could they keep up with a werewolf or a wolf
Fuck this shit. I was a Marvel kid growing up, New Mutants was what I read between 6th grade and senior year. And now all of my favorite characters from the original team are dead or unrecognizable.
And fuck that lame-ass movie, too.
Okay, but unless the story is trying to portray the people that beat her to death as heroes, I'm not really seeing how it's transphobic.
I think the issue is more that people found it in poor taste.
Sure, but that's a very different complaint from "transphobic", isn't it?
So many things wrong here I don't even know where to start.
I don't see how people can be mad she's dead. you all should have seen something like this coming. Marvel comics ALWAYS does this.
>new movie coming out
>better shill and use some of the characters
So Rahne was fridged, in the original sense of the term?
I have a friend named Rahne, named after this character
It's going to be hard to tell her that she died
Where's her kid?
how the fuck did this hack get the X-men books?
>Tags the image and body but leaves the spoiler plain as day in the header
Spoiler: nigga
X-fans really are like battered wives. Why do you keep reading this crap?
>trained to fight since she was a girl
>gets kicked to death like a bitch
>doesn’t even try to transform and throw the normies off her with her superhuman strength
This is disgraceful. I think Rahne might have just passed Tigra for ultimate Marvel jobber hero.
I would not be surprised. All the creepy sex weirdos gravitate to X-men for some reason.
She has long hair sometimes.
YUP
3 X-GIRLS GOT FRIDGED UNDER THIS HACK. BRAVO.
>Rahne’s wolf side has always been an animalistic impulsive personality that she struggles to control
>This has just been equated to whatever it is he/she/xer wants to transform into
He just called trannies werewolves. Think about what that means.
I think if people find it transphobic it probably is right? If you look at the dialogue, its clearly a thinly veiled attempt at alluding to transphobic violence. People find the way it was done is in very poor taste.
See
All my comics with Rahne have her in short hair;
I refuse to accept long hair.
>didn’t get Excalibur Rahne
You missed out.
When you remember she got Asgardian tier super strength and durability as a result of pregnancy, this whole thing becomes even stupider.
>Excalibur Rahne
What, when she had the ponytail?
IIRC she still had buzzed hair when she would turn back to human form
>t Excalibur Rahne
She was cute
He got killed off by Guido(? Whatever his real name is, Strong Guy) so the latter could become a King of Hell.
good, she was a shit character
I wish she died earlier
sounds based
I took it as a metaphor for her being Jewish
Rahne is extremely not jewish
all mutants are metaphors for Jews
Isn't Rahne wolfsbane? Why the fuck is she in America when Britain has no antimutants?
>kike writer hates a British character
The jew hates the British for being gods truly chosen people.
It's why brits are always used as villains
WHERE IS THE STORYTIME FOR THIS ISSUE RRRREEEEEEEEE
This is true.
Fuck Rosenberg
Rosenberg is my most hated X-Men writer
Scottish
Dude, who fucking cares enough at this point?
go back to ribbit and cbr and twitter
he's the only decent X-Men writer these days, Age of X-Man is trash, your titcow sucks a gamergators dick and Taylor is literately a shitposting Aussie, Bunn was butt
kill all the uggos
Grand Design is the only not-shit X-Men comic of the last several years.
these have been making me chuckle, he's a trollin readers and they deserve it
How is a page that metaphorically condemn transphobia transphobic ?
Yes, people beating somebody else to death for being different is supposed to be "problematic". You can argue about whether or not it's good writing, but in either case it's in the story because it is a problem.
>wikipedia AND with boring art
>not shit
ok
I love you user and I want to suck you're dick, no homo tho
Can the full page s be posted, for context ?
my theory is X-Men fags have been so inundated with complete shit throughout the years, when they get something that's actually competent they fucking freak
based dubs, I won't look you in the eye and will give you a courtesy tap
why read any comic
>sucking dick for bad comics
The absolute state of Yea Forums
skipping the soapbox from the man called Stan, these always seem poorly placed
ok that last X comic I read was X-Factor with Gambit
how the fuck the Guido die wasn't he the king of hell or something
They showed Loa's death didn't they?
why are you so homophobic and judgmental,
aren't you supposed to be a tolerant X-Men fan
did Xavier teach you nothing
>playing MvC Infinite
they deserve it
Came back off-panel just to die having accomplished nothing in-between.
Same writer did both, even.
nice trips
I'm going to guess by being named Strong Guy and being a shitty character
a culling was in order, Matt's gotta do what Matt's gotta do
If you think Grand Design has boring art but enjoy the shit you posted, I have to assume you were dropped as a baby.
Why are they even sad? Fuck's sake, half the people at the funeral have died before and come back to life.
This
what did they do to my rahne? she looks like a completely generic thot
>We will find out who we are in the most trying of times
>Fortunately, if that happens I can just mindwipe and/or imprison them so they'll continue to be my subservient bitches
>God I love being psychic
The only thing Xavier taught anyone is how not to win a war of public perception and how to suck and die. Mutants are worse off than they've ever been and it's almost 50% his fault.
>supposedly a fan of Liefeld and Lee and 90s art
>doesn't like 90s X-Men comics
>art style is boring and more reflective of fellow bald white dudes like Clowes and Burns
????
Piskor is a hack
Because writers and editors are slaughtering characters who have already died at least once and expect us to feel anything but annoyed.
Jesus Christ, I can't believe they're actually doing a funeral issue.
Like 1 in 3 mutants stays dead. Albeit that's in part because they don't go out of their way to revive people even if they easily could.
should've got Wembley or literately not the most white person ever to do a Hip Hop comic too
people should call him out on his shit more
Because it's SERIOUS this time. For real. She didn't die during a world-ending event, so she might not come back.
Did he read the first few issues of the original New Mutants and just assume Rahne had never changed at all?
why didn't she stay a wolf?
good, shit character should be forgotten for better ones to have her page space
Fucking Knicks fans.
For a few years
Someone like Loa MIGHT stay dead, but Wolfsbane?
Come the fuck on
Holy fuck this is forced.
she got sad and didn't want to fight no more
>to trap normal guys
Whoah subtle.
>defenseless
Jesus Christ
didn't Dani get depowered and become a Valkyrie?
Okay, fine, but like...run away?
Run away with incredible wolf speed.
Or to the big werewolf form and scare them off.
she wasn't defending herself
literately defenseless
Your distaste for the man has absolutely nothing to do with his art or writing, which are very good, and he obviously read a lot of 90s X-Men, he just disregards them because he thinks they're shit (and I bet I would too if I was able to remove my nostalgia lenses, tbqh).
I'm also forced to think you don't really have a good comic book vocabulary if you think Piskor looks like Clowes or Charles Burns, I assume these are your two go-to "alt comix" artists and you just dismiss everything even close to that as shit.
>never show Dani and Rahne rebuild their friendship after their huge falling-out
>but trust us it totally happened off-panel
Oh hey it's this shit again. Jesus fucking Christ.
>Oh hey it's this shit again.
This is the perfect description of the X-Men right now.
Maybe Hickman's stupid bullshit will at least inject a little life into the old bitch.
>he obviously read a lot of 90s X-Men
>repeatably says how he stopped reading 90s X-Men comics early
I group all those boring dudes together because they all have boring styles
Rugg is the more interesting Kayfaber
Piskor sorta sucks
Rugg should just have the show with Scioli instead
letters sections are good and all monthly comics should have them
Emma x Scott forever
>Treating Scott's beams like a laser
This writer is just full of disappointments.
>This is the perfect description of the X-Men right now.
That's been the perfect description of X-Men for decades.
I would bet that within the next 3 years, Cyclops is going to found a nation for mutants and within the next 5 it's going to get genocided.
Both of these cunts JUST came back from the dead.
Now to be fair that's the sort of thing an editor is supposed to catch.
To bad nobody actually edits anything at Marvel/DC.
it is lasers
His style is far closer to Scioli's or Rugg's than to Burns and Clowes (and neither of them are "boring", far less than the vomit-inducing "neither manga nor comics nor naturalism" gradient-filled shitfest you're storytiming), but if you watch the channel, both him and Jim clearly read the X-books for at least a while before dropping them (which you also seem to think is a bad thing, as if someone can only be a fan of a character if they read literally anything featuring them. If anything, a real fan would drop a book when a shit team takes it and return when a better one takes their place).
I know I shouldn't have expectations but Cyke came back less than 6 fucking months ago and Logan hasn't even been back 2 years, even by X-Men standards this is a little soon to get back to the gay ass schism between them.
>Who the hell are you
I refuse to believe Wolverine isn't one of the most recognizable people on the planet, even without a mask.
>it is lasers
It's punches from the punch dimension.
He's rarely been front and center of PR operations.
No, it's not. It's a concussive force.
A punch beam
It being a laser is a sign that somebody wasn't paying attention, like making Magma fly.
True, but he was one of the main Avengers for years.
So what happened with that mutant revolution thing Cyclops was doing before Secret Wars? What was the payoff?
>payoff
You poor bastard
Man back in the day the x-students had combat training enough to easily cripple 4 or 5 normies like those, even without powers
Oh hey, is every character and the writer still pretending a younger dupe becoming the "main" Madrox and sliding into his family and life isn't at all fucked up?
that's retarded
it looks like lasers and acts like lasers it fucking lasers
British means Scottish as well you dumbass.
her power is not activated all the time
It's not supposed to act like a laser. That's our point.
Scioli and Rugg are way more fun in their cartooning
Jim said he stuck around for longer but Ed is all proud he stopped a little after Claremont left
I don't think he read Age of Apocalypse
Piskor is just so pinner
>red line shooting attack thingie in children's media isn't a laser
ok
lazy hack writing
Be as annoyed as you want, but you and this artist are still wrong.
>pinner
Not american so I assume this means he's a bit of a dweeb? I never came across that slang, sorry.
But yeah, he's definitely an outspoken dweeb, but his work is good and the man knows his comic stuff so I'm willing to give it a pass.
Tom is still the best of the three though, I have a genetic condition that prohibits me from not enjoying Kirby-wank and his Go-Bots, which is probably his less kirby-esque title (at least from what I've read) is a fucking wild ride.
Its neither hot nor burns things, so no, not a laser. It pushes things back like they've been hit by something physical, and always has done.
When have you ever seen him melt anything with it, or cut through things. Or it go through anything at all?
It breaks things, shatters them, pushes people back.
Even when he does his giant full power ones it's always rubble and shit.
this is a fetish.
also,
>pic related
She has her powers back.
my god, the x-en really have turned to irredeemable shit haven't they?
>people read superhero comics because they want to see the heroes brutally beaten in the most pointless deaths possible
>it's so much fun when the main characters onstantly lose and fail with no hope ever for a victory
>when he does his giant full power ones
Someone post "get off my lawn" please
don't get me wrong, he clearly knows his craft and is technically skilled, and I love when people are passionate about any type of art, particularity comics, just Piskor seems like he's a real try hard with a chip on his shoulder and faking cool when I'd rather listen to Scioli, Graham, Farel Dalrymple, Fiffe or even Tucker Stone's old podcast
I always want Rugg to talk more but nooo, Piskor just wont shutup
>Am I
You mean "Ah'm Ah"
>Spoiler
This is fucking dumb
Did Wolverine just kill a room of teenagers? WTF?
He's killed for a lot less than the brutal murder of one of his friends.
>it's so much fun when the main characters onstantly lose and fail with no hope ever for a victory
Look at it this way. At least the characters suffering constant horrible deaths while in a decades long backslide in social standing with no hope of forward progress in sight to the point that they are now literally killing themselves aren't metaphors for oppressed real world social underclasses. I mean what sort of message would that send?
Why the fuck are X-books as uplifting as trench warfare? Fuck me, remember when heroes were a symbol of hope and not simply wicker men burned to ash to demonstrate the extent of human suffering and evil? At least DC isn't constantly throwing characters on the bonfire to create and endless stream of horribly written misery po-
Oh, wait, no, nevermind. Who the fuck put the people currently in charge of this industry in charge of this industry?
It's always been a concussive force. Has Cyclops every lost the use of one of his eyes before?
Why the fuck wouldn't he? Fuck me I wish he'd done that shit to Quentin after he went out and randomly murdered someone.
What do you mean? Everyone knows that the reason people read superhero comics is because they were feeling good and wanted to get in a worse mood
the X-Men should go around killing all those who hate mutants until peace is achieved
seriously they need to kill Quentin
that should've been on Cyclops list
When were the X-Men hopeful beyond Xavier's MLK-like discourse? Fuck's sake Claremont's run put front and center what became the flagship character of the franchise: a character whose entire schtick is taking ungodly amounts of punishment without ever dying, and asking for more. Even before that, look at the introduction of the All-New lineup, they're a bunch of fucked up people who've lived fucked up lives.
Literally every single alternate timeline with them is a dystopia.
There's a difference between shit-talking muties on 616's /pol/ and literally murdering some girl with your pals.
Forgot pic
this is a top 5 X-Men image ever
This is something Logan did by himself and something Cyclops disagreed with. You can expect every member of the X-Men to stand back. There is no reason to be team book without any group friction.
I wasn't criticizing wolvie.
With the way things are going for muties in the comics, and the tone of the stories killing all those who hate mutants until there are none left may be the only way for the x-men to achieve anthing
>Tights under the leotard
Man that's just awful
storm was worshipped as a goddes. Colossus was living a comfy life in a farm with his family, banshee didn't have any particular problems, thunderbird was a respected soldier and warrior in his community, . NIghtcrawler was the only one who was fucked up
The X-Men will never achieve anything regarding mutant acceptance, because if they do there's no more story to tell, they just become a super team like any other. I swear you guys are dense about this shit.
So in another word, this is yet another classical Women in Refrigerators case?
no, this is shelving a shit character because furries are gross
Storm had claustrophobia so bad she felt uncomfortable in normal buildings. And then there was that stupid retcon with all the Shadow King shit.
Also Logan.
Wow, okay so let me get this straight. Rahne nearly tears a guys face off and she's somehow defenseless so wolverine murders some kids because due process doesn't apply to mutants.
1980s Ghost Rider definitely didn't behave like that, Logan.
>due process doesn't apply to mutants
Well, considering a bunch of them has been lynched since X-man playing Jesus too much......
This thing always bugged me, cape characters lose their supporting cast to cause drama, it's not exclusive to women at all.
Cosmic Ghost Rider did
Rather than due process not applying to mutants, it's more like mutants aren't people in the eyes of Marvel. They will neither be prosecuted for their crimes, nor will someone that wrongs them be found guilty of anything. They're effectively treated like animals. And not even mammals. They're insects.
This is just completely asinine from every level. The writers just purposely make everyone act like a retard and go "Welp guess Im done being alive."
He murders some kids because he wants to avenge his friend. It's also basically outright stated in this comic that the police and justice system don't investigate or follow through on cases where a mutant is murdered. And it's also shown to be true, Multiple Man shows the cops have a case, but the kids are playing X-Box, not being arrested for murder.
How to fix x-men
>hire a dozen more editors(impossible)
>establish a rule that any named character's death must be approved by editorial
>tell editors to never approved named characters' deaths
>only exception possible for villains created specifically to be killed
>each writer can only add 1 new mutant
>if they want to add anoter mutant, ever, they must have a backstory ready and a specific story they want to tell about that character that can't be told using existing characters
>stories must be fun
>x-men must be given achievabel goals, and must be allowed to achieve them
>no more extinction stories
>relations between mutants and humans are generally good with fringe groups on both sides who want to fuck things up, and x-men work to stop them
>for every story revolving around mutant issues a writer must also write a story not focused on mutant issues, be it pure sci-fi, fantasy or whatever
>retcon the last 15 years to have never really happened. It was all an illusion or a fake reality of whatever. That way you can only keep the good stuff and ignore the shit, and the writers will be free to write the stories without worrying about contradicting some messed up thing that happened in the darkest timeline
Then why does Wolvie doubt his identity at all?
Also radiations don't go "TAC A TAC TAC A TAC", Geyger counters do.
Yes, that is the stupid asinine logic, but my point is really in regards to the writing allowing such an asinine logic to take hold. This is happening because the writer wants it too and it's all very sloppy.
>establish a rule that any named character's death must be approved by editorial
>tell editors to never approved named characters' deaths
No no no, the problem here isn't that they killed named character, but how they killed named character.
You didn't make a point, you poorly worded a question. It's not unheard of for some classes of society to not be treated fairly by the justice system. Hell for a long time some people weren't even considered people enough to have rights.
So no, it's not that asinine.
he's not buying the time travel aspect at first
pretend he has a Geyger on his bike
they should just hug and kiss and be friends and bake cupcakes and crochet
>This is just completely asinine from every level
Welcome to x-books.
Ultimately the problem is segregation of the mutant population into their own books such that marvel can keep a persecution status quo that makes no god damn sense that it has gone on this long and gotten this bad. Avengers don't get murdered in the street for being a mutant, but as long as mutants are completely segregated from the rest of 616 outside of their own books, nobody writing any other hero has to worry about how they would realistically react to one of their mutant friends being murdered, simply because they have no mutant friends being murdered. And lord knows Marvel isn't about to write nonmutant heroes giving a shit about social justice for mutants if they aren't close with them. They're just superheroes. They aren't trying to make the world a better place.
Here's Cap defending police brutality against mutants.
>so bad she felt uncomfortable in normal buildings
that's really a super minor thing.
>And then there was that stupid retcon with all the Shadow King shit
yeah but that happened when she was a child, then she beat that shit and went on toThe shadow king shit wasn't to bring depression to the story, but to showcase how badass storm was.
Wolverine was the only one with an actual grimdark backstory, x-men wasn't a dystopia until the last 2 decades. Before there was a mix of characters with a dark past, characters with a fun past, character with a normal past, all mixed together in stories meant to give hope.
I don't have to pretend shit to excuse Cates' cringey writing.
its not Cates
>that's really a super minor thing.
It takes her out of combat every time Claremont needs to sideline her OP powerset.
>stories meant to give hope.
I disagree. It's not the role of every cape character to be Superman. X-Men always felt like they were fighting a losing battle to me, but they were still fighting it because it was the right thing to do. Which is why I get more bugged by all the shadowy shit, the ideological schisms taking them to extremisms, and all the welcoming former villains with open arms than by the X-Men being forever losers.
The killing in itself is a problem. Right now X-men are a fucking slaughter factory with old characters being killed, sometimes more than once, and new OC being forced by every writer just to die later.
The problem isn't segregation the problem is that the whole mutant hate thing go as bad as it did in the past two decades. Back when the X-men where just regular super heroes with a few extra themes hanging over them this wasn't a problem. You could ask why the avengers didn't help fight sentinels all the time but then I could just tell it was simply for the same reason the X-men don't fight Ultron all that much. Mutants getting killed in the street wasn't the norm and when it did happen it was a bigger deal and not some cheap play for drama.
The segregation is only an issue now because hack writers made what should have been a sub plot the main plot. They went too far and don't know how to dial back.
You are the one who's dense. General mutant acceptance was the status quo during the time the x-men were the most popular.
The people who hated mutants were few extremists, who at times had money and power and were dangerous.
The goal of the x-men was to protect humans from guys like magneto.
The goal of the x-men was to stop the extremists on both sides from fucking things up.
The status quo was
Most humans are generally ok with mutants but have some worries. Some humans hate mutants and want to kill them. Some mutants hate humans and want to kill them.
If those 2 groups are allowed to act they will cause a dystopia to happen where either humans or mutants are murdered and genocided.
X-men try to stop them to keep the peace, while also dealing with the occasinal fallout.
That is their goal.
>Here's Cap defending police brutality against mutants.
And before anyone says it ain't valid because it's an old issue, here's the first issue of Rosenberg's post-Disassembled run, where Cap and The Avengers are a glorified security detail to an anti-mutant politician who is actively advocating mutant genocide.
And sometimes they fight aliens. Because why the hell not. I swear it's like people look at the X-men and only see the racism angle when it was just fluff.
Honestly that's more of an issue with Avengers, and especially Cap's characterization. And really it's an issue of writers loving to do dumb hero vs hero shit.
And here's Black Widow trying to convince Wolverine to give up fighting for mutants and leave Scott to die.
killing a character itself is a problem.
It's only done for cheap drama and doesn't add anything to the story. A good character death would involve a major character at the end of a major storyline and would have a significant impact on the story. But it will also be reversed in a few years.
Killing a secondary character doesn't add anything to the story, it just limits the possibility to make that character grow, forcing other writers to add other new secondary characters who will inevitably be either killed off or put in limbo, creating a huge clog up of pointless characters
Ugh, Bendis. The whole idea of Rightclops is pure fun
That has nothing to do with what the X-Men did or didn't do though, they never actually stopped all extremism like you suggested they do. Killing all mutant haters removes ALL of them, it doesn't bring back the status quo of a few extremists. Fuck it's such a dumb idea anyway.
>It's only done for cheap drama
And that's my "how" up there, for I don't mind killing a character with sufficient build-up and
good reason. Killing for the sake of cheap drama is obviously not the case.
>they never actually stopped all extremism like you suggested they do
They where never supposed too! It's just frame work to give them a reason to be good guys. It's their "With great power comes great responsibility." The dream was always that. A far off dream that was never meant to be realized but gave the X-men cause to fight for. It's not an actual end goal because the narrative doesn't have an end.
Do you not remember how this reply chain started? Because at this point you're making my point and arguing against yours. Or did you jump in with no regard for context?
MANgled, lmao
>It's not the role of every cape character to be Superman
That's where you're wrong. All superheros do is a simbol of a battle of evil vs good, extremely simplified and dumbed down. Complex problems aren't aused by a multitude of factors. There is one or 2 evil beings who are the cause of it, and they can solve it by punching them.
>X-Men always felt like they were fighting a losing battle to me
You must have only read the recent stuff then, or read the old stuff after your idea had already been molded by the recent stuff.
From their creation till the Legacy virus storyline they had been fighting a winning battle of maintaining the status quo like all other heroes. And even in that case they ended up winning.
>It takes her out of combat every time Claremont needs to sideline her OP powerset.
So it's her kryptonite. It wasn't there to make the stories grmdark and depressing, it was to give the writer a way to not have her end battles in a few seconds.
It's not even shocking anymore, I just pretty much stopped caring.
>they never actually stopped all extremism like you suggested they do
And other superheroes never stopped all world-ending threats, or all bank robbers. There's always a new threat for the next month.
The status quo is the world exists and is not destroyed. Villain wants to destroy it. Avengers stop it and protect the status quo.
The status quo is a bank is not getting robbed. Villains attack a bank to rob a bank to rob it. Spiderman stops them and protects the status quo.
The status quo is humans and mutants don't hate each other. The villain wants to murder a bunch of people to cause hate to stir. The x-men stop them and protect the status quo.
What has happened to the x-men in the last 2 decades is like if the world had been destroyed and the avengers lived on a satellite planning how to bring it back, while the few remaining humans kept getting killed off for cheap drama. Then they find a new home for humans and a few issues later the world gets destroyed again and more humans are killed.
And that keeps being repeated for over 2 decades.
No, they aren't allowed to succeed because they can never remove all threats, be it bank robbers or mutant haters. But that applies to all superheroes. But they all get to stop the immediate threat so that the future can still come. What are the x-men even fighting for anymore?
Keep in mind also that they were formed literally to protect humans from evil mutants.
>All superheros do is a simbol of a battle of evil vs good, extremely simplified and dumbed down.
And you can have them losing, evidently, you can absolutely tell a superhero story that isn't hopeful. There's 2 sides to every coin.
No I've read some X-Men here and there from the 60s until the late 2000s, starting with 80s and 90s stuff when I was a kid. I've read very little recent stuff.
Right, they were maintaining the status quo (and losing people along the way), aka fighting a losing fight when your goal is to change the world. They aren't like all other heroes because their stated goal is to change things in the long run rather than protect the world as it is.
you are confusing different posters arguing about different things.
I was replying to this point you made that if x-men achieved mutant acceptance then there would be no more story to tell.
And I told you that mutant acceptance was the status quo for almost 3 decades, and it allowed the best x-stories to be told, and x-men fought to maintain mutant acceptance, not to achieve it.
>The status quo is humans and mutants don't hate each other.
That's a gross exaggeration. Reminder that Trask worked under the US government, he wasn't a lone wolf. Senator Kelly had enough support among the base. And anti-mutant demonstrations that had NOTHING to do with supervillains have been popping up in the books for literal decades.
Yes, but again those where extreme aberrations.
>And you can have them losing
occasionally. When the whole plot of anything becomes them losing it turns to shit.
As for the rest, it seems you are either lying or dumb, because the idea that x-men wants to change the world has never appeared before morrison.
X-men wanted to protect the world as it was. The change would happen naturally as more mutants started appearing. The x-men weren't going to force anything. They wanted to protect the status quo as all other superheroes.
In their case the status quo was that there wasn't mass genocide of either mutants or humans going on.
> fighting a losing fight
they never fought a losing fight till the last 2 decades.
Before that some mutants hated humans, some humans hated mutants, and occasionally tried to mess things up, but mostly they went along and new mutants kept appearing at a regular pace.
yeah but he needed the death of a senator to push his agenda. By stopping mystique the x-men maintained the status quo where there wasn't an antimutant legislation.
No, they weren't.
Senator Kelly had major popular support to pass his bill. Beast got rejected off 20 universities AFTER working as an Avenger specifically because they were worried about public opinion of them hiring a mutie.
trask is a great example.
He was working with the government and there were people who followed him. The hellfire club was a group of wealthy mutants with contacts in the government as well.
People who hated mutants existed, and so did the opposite.
But the government had not enacted any anti-mutant legislation. That was the status quo.
Evil mutants killed a politicians, and all other politicians got scared and it gave a chance to Trask to gain power.
The x-men prevented the killing and so the anti-mutant law wasn't passed, and the status quo was maintained.
They didn't fail, they succeeded.
How it would go now?
The evil mutants would try to kill the senator, the x-men would stop them, then the government would enact the sentinel bill anyway and a bunch of mutants would be murdred by angry crowds.
Can you see the differene from how stories developed in the past and now? Mutant exctinction was a threat that they stopped. Now it's the status quo that they can't reverse.
Oppression of mutants was a threat that they stopped, now it's the status quo that they can't reverse.
People who hated mutants existed the same way as hydra can keep hiring countless soldiers no matter how many are killed or taken prisoners. But it's not the same as making everyone into hydra followers.
Cap can never truly stop hydra, that doesn't mean that the status quo for his books should be that hydra controls the government and has created a hydra/nazi dictatorship and most marvel citizens love it.
I'm not saying that it hasn't gotten worse, but mutant acceptance being the status quo is an exaggeration.
Trask was a lone wolf. The first government involvement with Sentinel was Stephen Lang, who didn't actually have government approval and built them in secret, while the first government sanctioned Sentinels were under the auspices of Project Wideawake.
do you like the word tolerance better? The point is that the majority of humans weren't constantly trying to oppress mutants
I know that feeling. Everybody’s gangsta until samurai start crawling out of necks.
HUD is Marvel Super Heroes
Do Inhumans have to comply with the mutant registration act? They ARE technically a mutant by 616 standards.
Illyana looks like she's wearing a fetish costume.
I was going to argue with you and say Claremont just had some harmless fetishes but then I remembered Joss Whedon is a sexual predator who took advantage of countless women and girls. That is NOT harmless, he’s a predator and adulterer. And on the film side Singer is a rapist and pedophile. Disney needs to shelve this franchise.
Inhumans have X-genes?
Ok quick from the 60s to 1999, you list how many male SUPERHEROES were raped, depowered or killed to further another hero's angst and story.
Here's the original list part 1:
All of Savage Dragon's girlfriends (dead)
Alysande Stuart (dead)
Amethyst (blinded, merged with Gemworld, destroyed in LSH; became a power-hungry witch in Book of Fate)
Apparition (one of her three bodies dead, soul bound to boyfriend)
Aquagirl (dead)
Arisia (dead)
Aurora (Multiple Personality Disorder, depowered)
Batgirl I (paralyzed)
Batwoman (dead)
Betty Banner (abused, changed into a harpy, multiple miscarriages, dead)
Mrs. Brian Banner, Bruce's mother (murdered by her abusive husband)
Black Canary I (dead)
Black Canary II (tortured, made infertile, depowered)
Blink (dead)
Bluebird (dead)
Buf from X-Man (crippled)
Candy Southern (dead)
Captain Marvel II/Photon (depowered, ceded code name to a male hero)
Carol Ferris/Star Sapphire (turned into a villain by the Zamarons, possessed by the Predator)
Celsius (insane, dead, called delusional liar)
Christine Helvin of Troublemakers (victim of date rape, discovered she could never have children because she was no longer human)
Courtney Ross (dead)
Crimson Fox (both sisters dead)
Dart (crippled)
Dawn Allen (dead)
Dawnstar (wings cut off, possessed by another persona)
Diamond Lil (kidnapped, experimented on by own government, developed benign breast tumor)
Domino (kidnapped, tortured)
Dove II (dead)
Part 2
Dr. Midnight of Infinity, Inc. (dead)
Elasti-Girl (only original Doom Patroller to stay dead)
Electrocute (dead)
Elektra (the real one... dead)
Element Girl (dead)
Enchantress of Suicide Squad - originally a heroine (turned evil, insane, depowered?)
Firebelle (dead)
Firestar (powers were sterilizing her)
Frances Kane/Magenta (stalker complex)
Fury II (child kidnapped, husband killed twice, insane)
Gwen Stacy (dead)
Hawkwoman (depowered)
Hellcat (dead)
Huntress I (dead)
Huntress II (sexually abused)
Ice (dead)
Illyana Rasputin (kidnapped and raised by demons, aged, de-aged, dead)
Invisible Woman (miscarriage of second child)
Jade (lost natural powers)
Jarella (dead)
Jean DeWolff (dead)
Jean Loring Palmer ("nervous breakdown")
Jet of New Guardians (died in battle after contracting HIV)
Jocasta (deactivated - more than once)
Karen Page (addicted to drugs, made porn films, infected with HIV, dead)
Katma Tui (dead)
Kinetix (depowered twice, catatonic)
Kole (dead)
Lady Flash (evil, dead)
Lady Quark (dead)
Laurel Gand (dead)
Part 3
Laurel Kent (revealed to be an evil robot, dead)
Linda Park (kidnapped, removed from history)
Looker (now a vampire)
Madelyn Pryor (clone, brood mare, demon queen, dead, brought back)
Mantis (child taken away, dead)
Marlo Chandler -- Rick Jones' wife (former prostitute, killed and brought back mindless; got better)
Marrina (insane, dead)
Mentalla of LSH (dead)
Mera (insane, child murdered)
Mirage of Team Titans (impregnated by rape)
Mockingbird (abducted and mind-manipulated into a relationship, dead)
Moira MacTaggert (diseased)
Ms. Marvel I/Warbird (mind-controlled, impregnated by rape, powers and memories stolen, cosmic-powered then depowered, alcoholic - SHEESH!)
Ms. Marvel II (became a monster in Fantastic Four, de-monstered but enslaved by Dr. Doom, depowered)
Mystek of JLTF (dead)
Namorita (revealed to be a clone, reverted to a more primal Atlantean form)
Negative Woman (depowered)
Nightshade (depowered)
Nightwind (dead)
Nova II/Frankie Raye (dead)
Phoenix I (evil-dead-who knows)
Power Girl (depowered, magically impregnated, made vulnerable to unprocessed natural materials... like sharp sticks)
Psylocke (eyes removed, eviscerated, depowered, mind-swapped)
Rachel Summers/Phoenix II (lobotomized)
Raven (sometimes evil, sometimes dead)
Red Guardian II (kidnapped and brainwashed into the love-slave of a super-villain)
Redwing of Team Titans (dead)
Revanche (dead)
Rogue (just plain messed up)
Roulette (dead)
Scarlet Witch (children 'die'/vanish/are lost because they are figments of her imagination)
Serpentine
Shrinking Violet (lost a leg in Giffen's Legion)
Shvaughn Erin (turned into a man)
Silver Sorceress (dead)
Snowbird (child and husband murdered, insane, dead)
Part 4
Spider-Woman I (dead for a while, depowered)
Starfire (raped, tortured, enslaved; forced into marriage... twice)
Storm (depowered, repowered, periodically crazy to one degree or another)
Supergirl, pre-Crisis (dead)
Supergirl, PAD version (lost her invisibility and most of her shapeshifting)
SW6 Projectra (dead)
Tarot (dead, brought back w/life bound to an evil man)
Threnody (dead)
Tigra (devolved into cat-thing)
Triplicate Girl (one body killed, one presumed dead but revealed to be Glorith's pawn)
Wildcat II (dead)
Wolfsbane (locked in werewolf form for awhile, needs major therapy)
Wonder Girl I/Troia/Darkstar (identity and powers stripped from her multiple times)
Wonder Woman (killed, revived, but lost goddess powers)
Zatanna (powers severely limited)
__
Someone can add the growing list from 1999 to 2019 and include half the x-girls. Hell include anyone thats not a straight white man.
And before anyone asks, I don't mean depowered like how superman got depowered in DCYou, because at least that dude got to explore his ramifications in heroic ways. When chicks get depowered they get written off for good. They don't get the same luxury or privilege.
Wasn't that always the fucking point of the X-men? Use the mutant angle as a metaphor for all kind of discrimination against those who are different?
Are we really living in a world that can't stand seeing how fucked up we are in any kind of media?
I fucking hate Yea Forumsmblr so fucking much.
is that dark beast?
>kidnapped and raised by demons, aged
>superhero origins are bad
Please don't respond to obvious bait.
you forgot the dead bit dumbass.
X-fags and trannies in general are actually mentally retarded
>there are more male protagonists
I know.
I think it's a mock MvC HUD overlaid on a blurred out comic panel with Spider-Man and Deadpool.
More male protags and yet females disproportionately suffer more than their male colleagues. That's the big issue with Women in Refrigerator.
Inb4 a bunch of fags claim that male heroes die and shit too. Guess what? They usually get heroic deaths or some other noble shit. If they get depowered or killed they come back quite easily or have their status quo restored rather quickly. Female heroes? They get replaced by a new bitch.
Case in point see the number of spiderwomen and spidergirls in 616 alone.
>Oi twat, you got a loicense for that depiction?
The issue as far as ai can tell is that it wasn't intentional based on Rosenberg's Twitter.
They accidentally covered minority issues and so it was done relatively tastelessly.
he's a homie now
>Case in point see the number of spiderwomen and spidergirls in 616 alone.
And you know what user you've only got sjw bullshit to blame for that.
Why is Magick wearing a goth loli costume to a funeral?
Why not
Fuckin' WHAT??? THIS is how my first comics crush dies?! Man, fuck you, Rosenburg.
Ugh, those woobie moe eyes.
When did all these main mutants die? Is this an alternate timeline?? Sam, Bobby, Hank, Rogue, Storm? Da fuq did I miss? They were alive last year.
X-Men vs Street Fighter life bars and time counter.
Well this is disgusting. What a fucking waste.
BECAUSE IT'S DEEP
Why didn't she turn into her wolf form and maim enough of them so she could escape? I'm not saying she should have gutted them all, but swiping off a few ears/noses would stop their aggression pretty quickly. Why choose to die instead?
Million dollar question...I really hope none of this shit is real, and Emma's mind-fucking Scott into thinking he's doing something besides sitting in a chair drooling on himself. You know: doing this to show how the path he wants to pursue will turn out bad for everyone.
Are they treating the funeral so flippantly because they know they'll all get resurrected? How much of the death/reviving is actually part of canon instead of just a retcon?
>Marvel depicting douchebag murderers playing MvCI
WeW
I think this might be one of the worst parts of it all. The big x-men just joke about LOL DEATH but then the lower tiers are the ones who suffer.
>be X-Men
>be a book about beautiful (mostly white) people with superpowers who hang out in a giant mansion and get into adventures
>writers start adding some “social commentary” about being both revered and hated, but it’s barely mentioned compared to all the Sci-Fi plots and comfy “family” issues
>eventually the political allegories hijack the book completely, turning the X-Men into a bunch of overpowered, racial supremacists, who are part of a global minority, and want to genocide flatscans or set up an ethnostate
>somehow shitskins, fags, trannies and all other self-proclaimed “misfits” actually deluded themselves into thinking they’re “just like” the X-Men
>writers think that too
Weird turn of events... But I have to say, the more racist I become, the more I actually enjoy the X-Books. I’m reading stuff I never gave the time of day before, like early X-Force, Generation X and the like. I just find it funny how the more you read into it, the more it becomes a series about a bunch of Racial Supremacist Ubermensch getting dragged down by genetically inferior parasites, and their growing irritation towards them.
I kinda liked her werewolf form. She was cool.
But she could have easilly taken all those dudes, whoever wrote this is clearly retarded.
No, Marvel Superheroes. Scrub.
>this is what Marvel thinks is a totally normal reaction from an average person
If they really wanted to do this right, Rahne would be the one trying to seduce him, but right when they're about to bang she pulls out a hairy dog vag and THEN he kills her.
What happens when you compress concussive force into a small beam, user?
X-Girls are for suffering.
It's just a fact.
This is Havok now? A Johnny Storm wannabe?
When did he ever smile before?
It's especially funny when people try to rally behind Scott as some kind of Malcom X, when it's clear he wants to destroy any object in the way of his glorious X-men.
Transsexuals that can actually pass to that point are fairly uncommon, though.
Man, this SWAT is good, they fucking materialized out of thin air an only broke a vase.
Can we for the love of God get comic companies to stop synergy when new movies are coming out?
Perfect example right here of why it's a fucking cancer.
They killed him off screen. They literally gased him to death.
such an original arc.Is Sabretooth's son going to show up again soon? he is the only one missing on this bad things from the 90s shitshow
I agree. They killed Rahne because they needed an excuse for another Logan and Scott fight.
He also killed Blindfold for shock value and to influence Cyclops and Logan. This is pure bullshit.
Now he is apologizing on twitter because even Leah Williams retweeted and article talking shit about the Rahne bullshit
Wait, Scott and Logan are fighting already again? Jesus Christ that friendship didn't last 4 months.
What started the fight?
They are trapped in an AU ala AoA called Age of X-Man.
The current state of X-Men makes you miss Bendis.
Ask Rosenberg and his Astonishing X-Men run
And next we have an obnoxious narcissist cunt trying to muscle in on the (non)drama and make it about her lack of importance for doing a shitty podcast that somehow achieves the impossible by being more obnoxious than she is.
Logan killed the four teenagers that killed Rahne instead of going to the funeral
I'm not CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT guy but Logan killing them seems a little extreme. Am I suppose to agree with that?
>happy to discuss further with you or.........MARVEL
Please, please give me an introduction, fucking pathetic.
both the X-Men podcasts are so fucking bad
the fanbase is mostly just faggots
The 'humor' and I say humor in the loosest possible definition of the term is hideously forced and cringepilled.
Are you going to put the whole world in a grave, Logan?
have sex
LOL Fookin' Based and dare I say it Red Pilled.
>Scott and Logan are fighting already again
>again
This is why I hate current marvel comics. They keep rehashing events and conflicts but in a more shitty and contrived way.
Par for the course for Rahne. She's only ever suffered since her inception.
Yeaaah thats not sjws fault. 9 times out of 10 they aren't even aware there was a previous one. They should instead redeem the female heroes or do something cool with them instead of just sidelining them unlike the male faggots.
Or instead acknowledge there isn't really a need to create new ones when older characters could stand in just as well.
She's Scottish and presbyterian.
The point is more females die because they're the supporting cast of the more numerous male protags.
The Spider-Women are a pretty bad example considering all the Morlun bullshit got dozens of Spider-Men "fridged".
It really is. I took a peek at CBR the other day, and most threads were filled with shit like “I’m a gay Latino man who run away from home and the X-Men remind me never to stand for the cis oppression”, or some lesbian fatty who was saying that, were she a Mutie, she’d “join Magneto” and “kill all flatscans”. And then you had the usual niggers that populate the place go on their tirades and bring up slavery again. Tye whole situation really amuses me at this point.
mutants are metaphors for jews
Have mutants ever been exiled form every country because they poison the well?
>I think if people find it transphobic it probably is right?
I think you should be shot in the fucking head. That's just my opinion.
Holy shit
>am I the only one that found 12 years a slave problematic and racist?
>poison the well
Scott forgetting Emma is legit sad.
>SHREK
>KTTHH!
>and acts like lasers
No it doesn't.
Ok out of Matt Franklyn, Julia Carpenter, Ben Rielly and Kaine who got fridged. Which one of them are back? Which one of them have their powers restored and are superheroing it up?
Your argument loses meaning when the girls are always sidelined.
A dremel.
Has there ever been a Marvel writer in the history of the publisher that apologized to a genuine comic book reader for writing a bad comic? It seems like apologies get handed out like hotcakes whenever a progressive gets offended by a screencap of a twitter post, but when a legitimate writing offence is made, Marvel writers just tell their customers to go fuck themselves.
Imagine taking any amount of time out your day to repost this stale pasta.
hardly a pasta when its the truth and a real problem in the industry lol.
>Imagine not having any legitimate criticism and just writing it off as a stale pasta.
It means you ape someone else's words rather than have the two brain cells needed to type something original. Read a comic book for once in your life and then we'll talk, fuckboy.
You're really going to pretend that all the Spider-Men who got killed came back?
Danny Ketch ....went crazy,lost his ghost rider, went crazy again, then depowered off panel and they're probably are going to make him evil. He didn't get to do anything heroic.
Imagine asking for proof and then getting mad when you get it.
How do you know it's proof if you've never read a comic book before?
>state objective facts
>"REEEEEEEEEEEE"
oh shit man you got me. One man out of like a hundred women who went thru that shit! Damn, your point was totally made.
That was sarcasm just in case your pleb mind didn't get it.
You gonna tell me that shit didnt happen to the women I listed? Because if you're denying it that means you never actually read any comics hon.
Right, because those are the spidermen the comic audience consistently follows. I forgot we had like several ongoings dedicated to spideys from earth 3004 or earth 199994 or earth 43249. Man I completely forgot. Shut the fuck up.
>scottish accent not being one of the most recognizable english accents
i had trouble telling apart london and aussie accent and i'm an ESL, but even i can recognize it
>Ah dinnae bide aroond haur anymair.
The funny thing is, that all of those versions that did get killed, just "come back" anyway as ones from another universe that turned out like theirs. For example, the monkey spider who was killed, there's another monkey spider from a different universe.
>Inhumans have X-genes?
Mutant doesn't only refer to x-gene mutants in Marvel. That's a homo superior.
It refers to anyone born with their shit (although some dumbfuck writers claim hereditary powers from mutates don't make someone a mutant even though that is not at all the in universe definition).
As an example, Franklin's a mutant despite no x-gene.
But ay coorse. Sco'ish tap water is stoatin, mucker.
>I forgot we had like several ongoings dedicated to spideys from earth 3004 or earth 199994 or earth 43249. Man I completely forgot.
You mean like Julia Carpenter?
Are you seriously going to pretend that Ketch is the only male character who went through trauma or got killed for drama?
>Illyana looks like she's wearing a fetish costume.
She always is.
>Julia Carpenter
Who?
The 3rd most famous Spider-Woman. At best.
How did they get away with this?
give me a list where male heroes are shelved away for a long time and treated like shit. Ketch is a good example but he is ultimately ONE example out of a hundred women examples I listed.
I dont think you understand my point mate. Canon fodder that appeared in a one shot aren't the same as characters you're meant to follow for years upon years in a consecutive comic series.
didn't her vagina fall off because her retarded parents put her on hormone blockers at such a young age and her penis was too small to make into a pussy, so now her pussy can actually fall off?
it's better than being stuck going through the trauma of male puberty
>her
>when calling people what you want to call them becomes a problem
You didn't list them, you copy pasted the work of someone who did. Of course that person didn't do their work thouroughly to show that it is indeed a double standard, if they did they'd have made a list of male characters for comparison.
> like three years of going through puberty so you can be your gender vs parents being retards and having YOUR FUCKING vagina fall off with constant trips to the doctors for the rest of your life costing you so much money & you know the trauma of YOUR FUCKING vagina falling off
gee wiz hard choice
hey if the sperg goes through with it I'll grant them that small achievement, hey you don't function like a biological women and have to dilate constantly so i'll call you zoe, just try not get that percentage any higher
what if you don't want a dick? why should you have to have one to exist? they're so ugly and get in the way
Also your list has shit like "kidnapped, tortured" or "needs therapy", which basically has happened to every single superhero, and you've listed characters who got better (Magik, Mockingbird), and/or whose trauma backstory got retconned (Mockingbird again). I also like how Sue Richards' miscarriage supposedly affects her but not Reed.
>not wanting a dick
woah projecting a little there pal, some people like everyone on the fucking planet you mental case don't mind the gender they were born with
actually, i'm trapgender, i was born a girl but i want to be a trap because i want to fuck vanna white into oblivion without having to resort to a strap
if you could have both parts, you would, quizzie
I think there's a high likelihood of that being the plan all along. There's too much damage in the story for it to be ongoing canon.
Nope, off panel nonsense. Just two other characters standing over her body.
Don't forget Sunspot is dying very soon as well.
> femanon wanting to fuck vanna white with a strapon
thats hot
but no i would not want a vag
you go to enough funerals you eventually become numb
hmm. a lot of people i knew have had those fantasies but maybe i just hang out with the wrong people
Nah. But by all means, argument yourself.
>not erasing both this and AoXM
Does anybody care for the “event” whose sole “contribution” is niggering Jean? It was written just so that these two cucks could get their rocks off. I seriously hope Hickman erases this whole era.
what does Horrocks think of this
I hate them, they're supposedly Nate Grey fans but only Counter X version which is literately the worst one
I don't know how two people could possibly have such bad taste
dumb body horror fags who barely read comics
continue to listing only one example dude and proving my point. Also Sue turns into malice, i dont fucking remember reed becoming malice out of grief.
>It seems like apologies get handed out like hotcakes whenever a progressive gets offended by a screencap of a twitter post, but when a legitimate writing offence is made, Marvel writers just tell their customers to go fuck themselves.
This.
They're appeasing an extremely vocal insignificant, infinitesimally small minority whose concerns are not generated by genuine sense of offense but instead wholly concerned with grievance farming. They make no contribution to the health of the media instead they should be ignored and disregarded as a demonstration of how utterly irrelevant they are.
>Homo superior
>They're objectively better than humans
>Often better mentally (psychic powers, etc.)
>Humans are jealous of their superior abilities
>Mutants get sent to concentration camps by humans, much as whites did in the Soviet Union, or Germans did in United States during WWII
>Mutants are exploited and have their labor and unique, exceptional abilities used to enrich the non-mutant parasites in Genosha, much as whites fund the welfare state to enrich non-whites
>Try to journey to outer space to escape the primitive apes of humanity (Asteroid M), much as Elon Musk is attempting to do
>Humans constantly chimping out about everything homo superior does
>Activists try to create a mutant ethnostate; don't want 'reparations', just want to be left alone by their inferiors
>Nightcrawler is German
>Literally looks like a demon to symbolize the demonization of the German people after WWII
>In reality he's a devout Christian much as the Germans were
>Magneto can control metal
>Obviously symbolizing the white race's mastery over steelworking and construction using metal
>Has a helmet that blocks psychic powers to indicate he doesn't fall for media brainwashing
>Every non-white mutant looks white
>Storm is "black" but has lightly tanned skin, straight white hair, and blue eyes
>Worshipped as a goddess by the primitive blacks in Africa
>Every other mutant from the first all-new all-different team is a white nationality (Canadian, Russian, German)
>O5 was all white too
>Kitty Pryde is "Jewish" but has blue eyes
>Blink is "black" but has no racial signifiers
Yup, they're white.
Nothing wrong with killing some murderers, and Logan's always been a killer.
I know it makes sense but pushing a goth to magik feels too easy. The dress is cute but she always dressed very girly pink or normal teen stuff when not wearing the uniform
She's a Christmas cake already is now going full emo goth? Kek
Jesus Christ, do X-Men writers just hate non-mutant superheroes?
Female heroes getting raped? It’s a great outrage and the person that committed it should be punished.
Male heroes getting raped? They’re either lucky that a woman would care to do it to them or it’s comical. I can bet you Simone didn’t give a shit when Grayson wrote Dick getting raped or when Morrison had Talia date raped Bruce.
Based, Whitepilled, and Shitskins will be SEETHING! X-Men are the White Man’s Franchise.
How long until the people that do the X-Men podcast get a Marvel book? There’s already a precedent with Kelly Thompson.
There’s Heroes in Crisis where a bunch of heroes got killed off for drama and the only character that has come back was female. Shit, Poison Ivy was the only female character that got killed off and she’s already came back.
>How long until the people that do the X-Men podcast get a Marvel book?
As soon as that insufferable cunt gets her little chat Jordan cucky boi White, she's been angling for it for a long time now.
No. Jazz is a man, her parents are freaks, the people filming them are freaks, the producers are freaks, the entire show is made of freaks, the channel that greenlit it is made of freaks and freaks need to be set on fire. Fuck this clown world burn it all down.
So when's the next mutant mass ressurection event?
>an anti-mutant politician who is actively advocating mutant genocide.
Free speech comes at the price of unpopular speech
Yes, you are, because your skin is so thin that that you find a page that painfully obviously condemns transphobia transphobic. Stop going out of your way to be offended by things.
Only one character could have fixed all of this...
Please stop responding to bait, it should've been obvious when user took stereotypical tumblr talking points and copypasted a wildly outdated list of nonissues.
>not just selecting the best Muties to build a better humanity
Sorry Bolivar, but I want more hawt gingers walking around.
This is true
Reception and penetration are two distinct roles in sexual intercourse. It's not difficult to understand the dynamics and implications in rape.
This. Avengers comics aren't really so hot either when it comes to its quality department.
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