Are the 2010s going to usurp the 90s as the new "Worst Decade for Comics"?

To geeks though. Saga was on my reading list in a college English class.

Saga is also not a superhero comic while Spawn in still sort of in that territory.

fwiw though I think Walking Dead is a better marker of the shift

>The 90s did give us Image
90s Image was shit though. It wasn't until they inadvertently sank Valiant Comics with an awful crossover and realized they couldn't put up straight competition with the big two and actually diversified their output from the 2000s onwards that they actually got good.

The 90s almost killed a highly successful medium

The 10s were just a blow to an already dying one

What happened during the 00s?

>To geeks though.
Spawn got a HBO animated series and a live-action movie starring Michael Jai White in the same year.

And both were failures.

nah. it'll be remembered as the era plagued with dumb events back to back but there were still good comics coming out that'll be fondly remembered like AoA, Flintstones, Shade the Changing Girl etc

Sure, but Spawn was popular enough brand for them to get the greenlight in the first place. Look, the dude showed up fucking Soulcalibur.

Spawn was a hit in the 90s. A passing one, yeah; but a hit nonetheless.

>it'll be remembered as the era plagued with dumb events back to back
We've been in that era since 2003. Since 1984 with a slight respite in the late 90s to early 00s, really.

>no good new artists coming through since videogames and movies poach all the good ones now

Now its all about freelancing, Patreon and drawing lewds now. With Discord and Twitter it's easy for artist, even a novice, to build a following and get paid.

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OMD

I wonder if ten years ago, artists who weren't good enough to break into the industry ever thought they'd be able to make an even better living by drawing pornographic fanart for autistic furries on welfare

2010s already usurped the timeline as the new "Worst Decade".

>furries on welfare
I dont know about that.

But yeah, why get paid shit prices for drawing an entire comic when they can get paid just as much for a fucking pinup. Also they don't have to deal with all the gatekeeping and 3rd world competition in the gaming industry.

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Early Image and most of Marvel was absolute garbage and is what people are thinking about when they shit on the 90s, along with the smaller publishers that put out nothing but edgy bullshit.

But there were tons of good books elsewhere.
Early days of the CCA will never be topped for awfulness.

It's only the worst decade for anons that hate non-white characters existing.
So basically, 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of Yea Forums.

Yes. Early 90s at least had the spectator market. The books were selling.

As far as capeshit goes theres no doubt that the past number of years have been a slew of endless dung.

>no good new artists coming through since videogames and movies poach all the good ones now

Same can be said for writers

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Nope, because everyone in the future will talk about how progressive they got and all the movies that were made.

All those characters besides Jane became pretty likable eventually.

Literally nothing made lately will ever top, One More Day, Cry for Justice and its fallout, Battle for Bludhaven, Civil War 1, and Marville trilogy

This is the worst decade because Disney bought Marvel comics and made radical changes
Separated Marvel comics in two, one for little girls and another for the old public.
But for the old public but they she adopted the SJW agenda
Censored the way women and men dress
Marvel has become something deplorable for those who love comics
Yes it's the worst time ever of Marvel comics

No because the 90s almost crashed the entire industry

Already is.

Kamala would be the poster child of the 2010 cancer

Considering the movies based on comic books, not necessarily

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>You just got old and hate what kids are reading now.
So your are saying that having a developed taste based on experienced is worse that being a no-nothing shitter? Good job, retard.

Thing is that most of the people pissed about that are casual as fuck. There were diversity pushes in the 80s and 90s, but people just pretend that shit never happened. Because they just didn't read books back then.

>So your are saying that having a developed taste based on experienced is worse that being a no-nothing shitter?
No, you read shit when you were a child and loved it. You're holding up old shit and claiming it's better than new shit.

You hate pokemon creatures and want the children to read about water again.

>You're holding up old shit and claiming it's better than new shit.
But it is, it's not like all new comics are bad but you can't say that they aren't in a rut right now.

On one hand...
>DC and Marvel crash the industry by trying to play into the speculator market and end up causing a distributor monopoly with Diamond. Oh and shitty edgy comics.

On the other...
>DC and Marvel become big players in Hollywood at the cost of their comics, with Marvel even having people try to turn the company into a "lifestyle brand" (read: merchandising out the wazzoo that would make Jerry Jones blush)

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You know that there's more to the comic industry than Marvel, right, OP? And that their two year stretch of meh comics wasn't indicative of an entire decade of their published comics?

>but Spawn was popular enough brand for them to get the greenlight in the first place
He was popular enough with nerds that a suit believed Todd when he told them they could translate that same success to the mainstream, and it failed. It failed hard enough that McFarlane only succeeded in convincing them to try again with another film last year, and he completely gave up on a new Spawn animated series.

>Look, the dude showed up fucking Soulcalibur.

Because he's popular with nerds.

What, you mean comics in general?

90's:
-People jumping on the Image style bandwagon
-Comics industry gets fucked by so many events and things done to pander to speculation
-Marvel fucks up the industry even more by buying out a distributor
-Marvel fucks up itself by not only buying its own distributor but also buying Fleer/Skybox, Malibu, and other things, leading to bankruptcy
-Lots of indie companies go under
-Bad Girl trend heavy in the mid-90's which means people end up jumping on the bandwagon

10's:
-Marvel devaluing itself with events that have less impact than even their 90's ones, multiple relaunches, etc.
-DC doing New 52 and then shitting the bed a few years in
-Escalation of people crying about things being problematic going from reasonable complaining to unreasonable complaining, Twitter virtual lynch mobs form, companies pander to the outrage crowd
-SJW Casuals vs MRA Casuals, followers don't appear to have enough comic knowledge.
-Not much change in style, at least with the 90's you can point to Image style and manga-influenced style.
-Mediocre designs where people think only in realism and tacticool

They're about even.

>Saga was on my reading list in a college English class
jesus fuck

>Civil War 1 was the shittiest event ever
I think CW2 is far worse.

>Civil War 1 was the shittiest event ever

Only if you stopped reading Marvel and DC after reading Civil War 1. In which case I think people would envy you.

Civil War 1 isn't even the shittiest event of the 00's, that would go to Ultimatum. And Bendis' 00's events all come very close.

But nearly every fucking big Marvel event in the 10's is far worse than Civil War 1, by miles and miles: AvX, Age of Ultron, Original Sin, Secret Empire, Civil War 2.

I don't know man I'm reading a really lot of cool sci-fi stuff. I loved Descender and now Ascender is coming out I'm happy about that. I know nobody here really talks about these sorts of comics, it's always Marvel this and DC that, but there is so much out there nowadays it's amazing, you just have to find what you're into.

The '90s on the whole were better than the 2000s and 2010s. It's only memers who can't think for themselves that push the "90s BAD" shit. Anything was going to be disappointing coming out of the high point of the '80s.

>The 90s did give us Image, at least.

the 90s were full of classic comics and innovation. i have no idea why so many people just want to pretend it was all junky liefeld art and speculators

>He was popular enough with nerds that a suit believed Todd when he told them they could translate that same success to the mainstream,
Yeah? How does that disprove Spawn was popular?

>and it failed.
A lot of pre-21th century superhero movies failed. The 1990 Captain America was absolute ass.

Fortunately for capeflicks, filmmaking technology has reached the point where pretty much anything can be put on a big screen and look good now.

I'd definitely say that a lot of things from the 90's were handled better than in the 10's.

>worst decade for comics
>not the 1950s when Seduction of the Innocent was published
>not the 1950s when the CCA came about
>not the 1950s when one of the greatest and most varied medias of the age was crippled forever
>not the 1950s when romance comics began an inevitable march to death
>not the 1950s when horror comics were culled or leashed
>not the 1950s when crime comics were left for dead
If you don't think the 1950s were the worst thing to ever happen to American comics, you're a fool

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CW2 is barely even a story, that's what's so baffling about it. It's an advertisement for a bunch of event tie-ins that were either shitty or were canned.
I know posts like this are meant to be ironic because it pretends that shit like pic related doesn't exist and isn't worse than almost any other era of comics, but at the same time there probably is going to be a small segment of people defending CW2 sometime in the future simply because they don't know any better.

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Honestly, when you look at the full picture, comics in America have found a way to shoot their dicks off every decade since the 50's.

Yeah, but nothing quite compares to that initial dick shooting. Comics used to be incredibly varied and wildly popular among multiple demographics. Seduction of the Innocent and the CCA ended that. Maybe it would have happened anyway over time but we'll never really know.

Carol had a better costume has Captain Marvel than as Ms. Marvel, whose design has been done hundreds of times before with better results. They didn't have to literally lob her tits off for it, but I'd blame that on the way her body type is depicted, not on her outfit.

>>not the 1950s when Seduction of the Innocent was published

Definitely not because at least we had good comics during that time before the CCA was started (which was September 1954). And even after the CCA a lot of toned-down comics were still better written than a lot of 90's, 00's and 10's comics.

>Maybe it would have happened anyway over time but we'll never really know.

Even if it didn't happen in the 50's it was inevitable. Did you know what happened in the 70's with cartoons? Or the Hays Code in the 30's for movies? Or looking at the puritanical behavior on Twitter over what they consider offensive in media?

Ultimate U

at least the 90's were fun.....

I've seen some issues where she's busty even in her new costume, so I guess it depends on the artist, too.

We had ducks at least, the CCA couldn't take those

the 90s gave us grant morrison JLA which is the pinnacle of superhero comics.

>look at the sales for literally any title
>sub 20K issues
>thinks people in general, much less kids, read comics

i wonder what trades and online sales are compared to physical monthly issues

Not nearly enough. It really blows my mind that a single theatrical run for a superhero movie will gross about the same as a year or two of floppy sales.

>endgame has already hit the $1 billion mark

What even is everyone's problem with 90s comics, anyway? It's hardly the "worst decade for comics". Reminder that the Infinity Gauntlet storyline is from the 90s.

The problem with the 90s is part 'Ow The Edge' and part 'nearly destroyed the industry'

The 90's at least had higher highs. 10's has highs but I can't really remember too many things wowing me compared to some 90's stuff (a lot of which I actually read for the first time this decade).

2010s is just 2000s but more simple.

I would call it the worst decade for marvel.

>I would call it the worst decade for marvel.
Because you don't read comics.

it probably is the worst overall even if the 2000s gave us stuff like one more day

I did a typo.

I says that I wouldn't call the worst decade for marvel.

it had its moments but i honestly prefer the jli/justice league europe era. more fun

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Most of them writing wise aren't bad, the politics are.
Aaron's Thor is great but it's hated for some mischaracterization and the Jane.