Modern masterpiece?
Modern masterpiece?
Luke Reyes
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Robert Russell
Nah. Too referential. Good movie though.
Evan Mitchell
>Capeshit
>Masterpiece
Oh c’mon. Its good but I wouldn’t call it a “masterpiece”.
David Flores
Definitely better than whatever weeb trash anime.
Ryan Hughes
After watching it 5 times and upon seeing all the video essays on the animation techniques they used, how music and leitmotifs played throughout the movie, the intense attention to details, from everything in the background, keeping continuity between scenes, characterizing the characters through little touches in how they're animated and how they react, to how despite how heavy in special effects and colors the last battle was, you could tell where everyone was at all times and even all the ways they reverted expectations and used humor in clever ways, all of that to ultimately tell a cohesive, thematically consistent, touching story makes this, at least in my book, a masterpiece.
It's not perfect, yes, I do have some major nitpicks with it, but it's come the closest to being a masterpiece out of all animated movies I seen so far.
Alexander Perez
Yes. Easily. But contrarians won't believe that until 6 years from now when some nasally nerd makes a 2 hour video on youtube explaining why.
It's an exceptional film period, but it's just too 'new' right now.
Henry Foster
Wait 6 more years after that and people will call it overrated because either something new took its place or the director never catches that flair again.
Peni will get torn too shreds during that time.
Ryder Lopez
>period, but
Nicholas Foster
It'll be a dark time. I'll still love her though.
Asher Sullivan
There are no modern masterpieces because all have dropped their standards so low, that either everything’s a masterpiece or nothing is a masterpiece.
Joshua Wood
There are already nerds praising the "innovative" and "groundbreaking" animation for doing basic techniques done in other 3d animated shows.
Aaron Hernandez
Where? The closest thing I saw that was like Spider-verse was 'The Witness' short from Love Death + Robots and that wasn't quite like Spider-verse either.
Andrew Torres
Basic shit like multiples and smear frames all have been done at least once or twice in every other 3d animated show, even RWBY has done it.
Grayson Harris
Why is "capeshit" thrown around so casually? Is it like saying "butt rock" (sounds bad but it's really nothing but an identifier)?
James Rivera
Yes. Unfortunately people need to be told these days and lack being able to figure it out themselves, but it will happen. I don't remember the last time a movie came out and other people in the industry, not critics, couldn't resist how much they love it.
Christopher Brown
What about the hand drawn creases on faces for added expression?
What about the 'printing error' depth of field?
The halftone shading?
The animating a 3D project on 2s for added pop of characters?
Jack Scott
How well they're used matters. And if you seriously think this is all spider verse does, you're blind
Landon Edwards
Capeshit cannot be masterpiece because capeshit is toys and toys cant be a masterpiece.
Bentley Edwards
Who drew this? It's awesome!
Matthew Hall
if we're talking animation sure
writing could be a lot better though
Lucas Jones
redline did the creases better but it had 9 years for that
Noah Brown
>Peni will get torn too shreds during that time.
Good, she's the most boring of the spiders but waifufags and cutefags latch onto her anyway
Thomas Parker
>hand drawn creases on faces for added expression?
I haven't seen that exactly but there was an anime called Houseki no Kuni that played around with hand drawing the eyes/lashes for more detail or to give a certain mood in certain scenes.
>What about the 'printing error' depth of field?
Haven't really seen that anywhere else
>The halftone shading?
old technique
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>The animating a 3D project on 2s for added pop of characters?
There was a 3d animated short that did this along with the individual character frame rates being offset for a cool effect. Some animator tweeted about it after spider verse was being praised for doing it first.
Like i said there is alot of basic stuff that they are being praised for doing "1st" when they didn't, there are other techniques that they might technically have done "1st" but who knows, there are a fuck ton of 3d shorts that try all sorts of crazy things.
Elijah Rogers
>muh shorts
Just kys already.
Evan Nguyen
A bit of that and a bit of Yea Forums just being casual about insults in general. Like how calling someone a fag is not even a real insult on Yea Forums.
Matthew Cook
story itself was garbage. half the cast is shit.
Isaac Fisher
Massively overrated. The animation looked off in everything but the fight scenes.
Action was 11/10
Story and characters were 6/10
Leo Cooper
It's just another superhero movie.
James Cox
Of course there's going to be some test footage from some half drunk artist who dreamed up the idea back in 1940 whatever.
Where's the completed work that took the risk of implementing the techniques?
Where's the completed work that combined the techniques to make a visual identity as strong as Spider-verse?
I never knew Redline was 3D. It had so much hand drawn things on top of the models I never would have guessed.
Angel Wright
Houseki no Kuni is a completed work.
There really wasn't much of a risk as the movie follows the same guides in composition and design as every other movie albeit with a bunch of different filters and sfx.
Grayson Gutierrez
Anytime you're the first to do something it constitutes a risk.
There are no other Multiverse Superhero movies on the market.
There are no other Legacy Superhero movies on the market (Ant-man technically but it's the 1st depiction of the character on the big screen. Hardly qualifies)
Houseki no Kuni also aired in October of 2017 giving it a standard anime production time of 6-8 months would have it started beginning of 2017 or the end of 2016.
Spider-verse started production early 2016 with them showcasing their technology in the teaser they pumped out at the end of 2017.
Henry Wood
Teddy Khanshin?
Found it on Gelbooru when I was looking for... other fan art of Spider-verse.
Ayden Fisher
Your example for half-tone shading is kinda poor. That pattern wraps around the model's shape instead of being a flat texture like in Spider-Verse. And the question wasn't whether some 3D modeler has done these things before; the claim that the other user disagreed with was whether this was a "basic technique done in other 3d animated shows". I don't remember another 3d animated show that did something like it.
Your last example isn't very good either. It's so vague that I have no idea what you're talking about.
Spider-Verse combined a bunch of unusual little tricks in order to achieve a unique look. It wasn't the first animation to do all of those tricks, but the tricks it used were not basic shit. If they were basic, they would be used a lot more commonly, and you would be able to list tens of works that employ them.
There's also the lack of motion blur (which I've seen in some works like Tron Uprising), putting together a cast of characters who have different art/animation styles (which I've seen in comics and 2D animation, but can't recall if I've seen in a 3D-animated work before), and giving homage to the story's comicbook origins with stuff like caption boxes, motion lines or written sound effects (again, can't remember if I've seen an animation do these before).
Levi Taylor
Brayden Young
I love this movie, but masterpiece might be a stretch.
Colton Thomas
Tie those goddamn shoelaces already!
Nathaniel Anderson
it'll be forgotten by then after sony pumped out its 4 sequels (in between the two other MCU spider-man movies) each shitting even harder on the franchise. If I wasn't such a fan of spider-man I'd give it more leeway but at the end of the day its a less relevant lego movie at the end of the day
Joseph Collins
It isn't, and anime by definition cannot be weeb.
Caleb Anderson
You're right, it was better
Matthew Robinson
I want to like this movie but it feels like ghostbusters and star wars all over again. Whites getting portrayed as broke lazy hobo bums. Niggers and other people of color running around the place. Stuipd dyke mary sue haircut and 2 smug 4 U roastie characters. I'm fucking sick of SJW ruining what could have interesting concepts and ideas. Just remove Miles, and that stuipd chink, make Peter the main character and a lot more handsome and dignified and a actual attractive Gwen with nice juicy double DDs with shoulder long hair and it will be 10/10. But as it is, hard pass on this one.
Ian Stewart
>The animating a 3D project on 2s for added pop of characters?
And it looks ugly as sin because hand-drawn animation on 2s does attempt smooth motion with things like smears, Spider-Verse revels in its choppiness.
Thomas Cook
Those techniques were borrowed from or were already done in anime, where they were deemed to be bad or not worthy of attention. Now they are suddenly amazing and revolutionary (not criticizing the movie by the way, just the dumbshit audience reaction).
Redline wasn't 3D.
Samuel Jones
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Isaiah Diaz
Miles himself was easily the worst part of the movie, and the >shadman haircut is hideous.
Mason Rivera
I loved it. Definitely the best superhero movie since Batman v Superman.